I think cultural norms by definition create shame. isn't that the point of the

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May 21, 2015
11:54:16am

jbonita

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jbonita

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The public breastfeeding debate is archaic, misogynistic, and chauvanistic

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:21am

Where is the debate?

kccougar

5/21/15 9:26am

Follow the link.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:27am

Crazy that in our civilized society some people might be uncomfortable with bare

byujacob

5/21/15 9:33am

You realize you just implied that public breastfeeding is "uncivilized"

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:34am

I didn't. I said some people are uncomfortable with bare breasts.

byujacob

5/21/15 9:36am

In a "civilized" society.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:37am

Here's your problem. You are assuming that someone who is uncomfortable about

byujacob

5/21/15 9:40am

No, and that's my point. It's hard enough for a nursing mother to feed her

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:42am

My wife has breastfed four kids. We've never been in a situation where she had

byujacob

5/21/15 9:48am

I didn't see a debate, but thanks for letting us know emphatically

kccougar

5/21/15 9:35am

You're not seeing what you apparently don't want to see.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:40am

Truly groundbreaking, progressive, and controversial.

kccougar

5/21/15 9:43am

Counter my arrogance with your own. Touche.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:48am

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Buffalo

5/21/15 9:26am

Feel better now?

byujacob

5/21/15 9:27am

Not until I punch someone in the throat.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:30am

I've never understood why people have a problem with this, though like you, it

BigD Coug

5/21/15 9:29am

I've got a good story to tell about renting a breast pump. (semi-r-rated)

ClackamasCoug

5/21/15 10:02am

how many single CB'ers are now setting up appts for their 'wife' to rent pump?

keoki

5/21/15 6:00pm

I started out wishing I knew your wife.

panguitch

5/22/15 7:39am

100% true. I live in Oregon, and she was a nature gal. She had no qualms.

ClackamasCoug

5/22/15 9:08am

What caliber were the guns?

Yeti_Mawl

5/22/15 10:42am

Wow, tell us how you really feel... seriously there's no debate 93% of the

kotacoug

5/21/15 9:30am

Sounds like your wife isn't the only one that needs some sleep.

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 9:31am

Ooh, good one. You got me.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:49am

I'm very pro breastfeeding and I agree with your general point

jrob30

5/21/15 9:34am

Another thing to keep in mind - only mom can breastfeed

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:36am

lol, thin-skinned much? Look I agree with most of what you wrote but

bulletproof

5/21/15 9:35am

You don't have a problem with shaming or embarrassing nursing mothers?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:43am

I have a problem with people like you always trying to change everyone around

bulletproof

5/21/15 9:49am

"You look like a whiny little sissy" - ad hominem much?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:52am

not at all, its entirely relevant to the situation. In fact, it probably

bulletproof

5/21/15 9:58am

Care of the child should be the issue and I have never had an issue with a

Fdnman

5/21/15 9:36am

ummm.... if a kid is old enough to walk around and ask for it....

kotacoug

5/21/15 9:39am

Fine. Not at all what I'm talking about, though.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:47am

But people worrying more about the "agenda" are having an effect on

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:46am

I could be convinced, but I need to see more long words ending in "-ic"

JackStack

5/21/15 9:36am

Bombastic?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:43am

Ahh, the offseason at its finest.

ldssdl

5/21/15 9:40am

Maybe we can start up a formula / nursing cover MLM

ebv

5/21/15 10:05am

I don't even understand why there is a debate. When possible, out of courtesy

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 9:44am

and in church there is a room specifically for this type of activity. Use it.

blueaussie

5/21/15 9:51am

A convenience, not a requirement.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:53am

Courtesy is never a requirement, but it is appreciated.

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 9:55am

That's how I feel about the bathroom

KingDave

5/21/15 9:55am

Feeding a child does not equate to taking a crap. FYI

Blue Ghost

5/21/15 9:57am

And there we go - the breastfeeding/peeing analogy.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:58am

You really need to chill, dude.

KingDave

5/21/15 10:03am

Jokes are usually funny. Sorry for the mistake.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:07am

In my experience yours never are.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:09am

Good argument. Hyperbolic generalizations always win.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:50am

Better analogy is changing a diaper

Remigius

5/21/15 10:07am

You're absolutely right. And the way people react to you not extending that

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:03am

I'm not the one who can't handle the sight of a breastfeeding mother

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:41am

That's funny, because that's a completely different point than the one you've

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:23am

You must have misread my post.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:35am

Nope. Here you go.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:38am

You're not making sense.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:46am

Heaven forbid that someone breastfeed in sacrament meeting . . . errr . . .

ebv

5/21/15 9:56am

Happened just about every week on my mission. Then again, it was also common on

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 9:59am

Is "cultural norm" an excuse for shame?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:02am

It really is laughable how condescending you are to people with differing

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:06am

I think there are some absolutes.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:16am

Sorry, man. That's just false. You're not the only one with a wife who has

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:43am

So it's not about what's right, it's about what takes less effort. Got it.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:45am

Nice straw man. You're the one who was ranting about the inconvenience. You're

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:03am

I get it. If I say the sky is blue, you'll argue that I'm an idiot.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:37am

Not at all. Feel free to make a coherent and reasonable argument and I'll be the

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:39am

RE: Not at all. Feel free to make a coherent and reasonable argument and I'll be

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:42am

LOL. Still waiting

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:46am

I can't dictate when you're going to be rational. It may take a while.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:51am

Who said anything about shaming or stoning? Thanks for the hyperbole though.

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 10:10am

I think cultural norms by definition create shame. isn't that the point of the

jbonita

5/21/15 11:54am

Wow, hyperbole much?

NewMexiCoug

5/21/15 12:26pm

Yep. I get it. It's just funny that 19th Century Mormons had no qualms about it

ebv

5/21/15 10:02am

1871? So is polygamy okay too?

blueaussie

5/21/15 10:02am

It's weird that we've progressed so much in some areas, yet regressed in others,

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:04am

Wait, is there a law preventing mothers from breastfeeding in public? You are

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:08am

Relax, I thought by the you'd know it was a joke.

blueaussie

5/21/15 10:16am

Give it another five years or so.

ebv

5/21/15 10:07am

You are probably spot on.

blueaussie

5/21/15 10:17am

Condescend much?

StantonMac

5/21/15 9:59am

That's the word I was looking for - it's also condescending to make nursing

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:03am

Yes it is. It's also condescending for a nursing mother to disregard the

StantonMac

5/21/15 10:11am

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:54am

So it's about how difficult a task is?

StantonMac

5/21/15 11:09am

No.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:44am

The vast majority of women don't cover up because society is "forcing" them to.

StantonMac

5/21/15 11:58am

"inner sense of modesty"

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 12:12pm

Whatever the cause, you are saying people "force" women to cover up

StantonMac

5/21/15 12:52pm

In many ways I do feel oppressed, but that's another discussion

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 3:09pm

Are you really saying people who want women to cover up do so because they HATE

jbonita

5/21/15 3:12pm

Holy crap, but people around here have such narrow interpretations of words

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 4:00pm

It's cute how you think you're smarter than everyone.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 4:05pm

Because I know the actual definition of words?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:49pm

Words have a meaning. Misogyny, homophobia, racism, etc. are strong words

jbonita

5/21/15 5:23pm

I think the words fit.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:49pm

best case scenario you are dog whistling. Worst case you are being inflammatory.

jbonita

5/21/15 11:50pm

I agree with a lot of the stuff you post, but man, your delivery is awful. Relax

messi

5/21/15 6:15pm

When people read my posts, does an angry voice say the words in their heads?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:47pm

Nobody is making the vast majority of women feel ashamed or embarrassed

StantonMac

5/21/15 5:39pm

Oh, it doesn't affect a majority, so who really gives a crap?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:45pm

No, more like stop using your own personal anecdotal evidence to pretend this is

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 8:53pm

How has this blown up into a "huge problem in society"?

SoCalCoug

5/22/15 4:34pm

You may not like it, but that is the way our society has "progressed." The

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:15am

People on this board judge mothers who don't cover up.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:18am

And you allow that to offend your sensibilities. How does that make you any

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:44am

Unwarranted shaming offends my sensibilities. Okay, you got me.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:49am

Congrats on your outrage. You're really changing the world.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:04am

At least someone's trying.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:07am

Another way to look at it:

BigD Coug

5/21/15 10:43am

I agree, it's the perverts and stalkers who are the concern here.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:51am

I'll admit to being slightly disgusted by it

Belboz

5/21/15 10:45am

Chauvinistic. Spelling--it's not just for manly men anymore.

CougarMandias

5/21/15 10:45am

I thought it looked wrong.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:52am

Trust your instincts. Occasionally they aren't wrong.

CougarMandias

5/22/15 7:49am

BINGO! I HATE women! Cover them up! "Why can't a women be more like a man?!"

Scooter

5/21/15 10:51am

Agreed. Just don't get mad when you're ogled. It's just as natural for men to

db59840

5/21/15 1:11pm

Hold on to something...

Heinz57

5/21/15 1:47pm

Woah, aren't you almost 50? Twins in your 40's

Cochise Cat

5/22/15 12:35am

I'll be 63 when they graduate high school.

SoCalCoug

5/22/15 4:39pm

I pretty much don't disagree with anything you said, but anytime someone starts

UNLVcougar

5/22/15 8:16am

You know, I once made a harmless joke here about a woman making a sandwich, and

SoCalCoug

5/22/15 4:40pm

Undoubtedly, you offended a few of the male mods...

Breaded Hamster

5/22/15 6:23pm

Agree. A nursing woman should cover up to the extent necessary for HER to feel

frontrowcougar

5/22/15 9:18pm

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