"inner sense of modesty"

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May 21, 2015
12:12:17pm

SoCalCoug

"inner sense of modesty"

I think that's where we may differ. I think the sense of modesty is driven by culture; it's not necessarily inherent in people, at least as far as the breasts. There are lots of societies where it is appropriate for women to not cover their breasts, at least when it comes to breastfeeding.

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SoCalCoug

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The public breastfeeding debate is archaic, misogynistic, and chauvanistic

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:21am

Where is the debate?

kccougar

5/21/15 9:26am

Follow the link.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:27am

Crazy that in our civilized society some people might be uncomfortable with bare

byujacob

5/21/15 9:33am

You realize you just implied that public breastfeeding is "uncivilized"

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:34am

I didn't. I said some people are uncomfortable with bare breasts.

byujacob

5/21/15 9:36am

In a "civilized" society.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:37am

Here's your problem. You are assuming that someone who is uncomfortable about

byujacob

5/21/15 9:40am

No, and that's my point. It's hard enough for a nursing mother to feed her

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:42am

My wife has breastfed four kids. We've never been in a situation where she had

byujacob

5/21/15 9:48am

I didn't see a debate, but thanks for letting us know emphatically

kccougar

5/21/15 9:35am

You're not seeing what you apparently don't want to see.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:40am

Truly groundbreaking, progressive, and controversial.

kccougar

5/21/15 9:43am

Counter my arrogance with your own. Touche.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:48am

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Buffalo

5/21/15 9:26am

Feel better now?

byujacob

5/21/15 9:27am

Not until I punch someone in the throat.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:30am

I've never understood why people have a problem with this, though like you, it

BigD Coug

5/21/15 9:29am

I've got a good story to tell about renting a breast pump. (semi-r-rated)

5/21/15 10:02am

how many single CB'ers are now setting up appts for their 'wife' to rent pump?

keoki

5/21/15 6:00pm

I started out wishing I knew your wife.

panguitch

5/22/15 7:39am

100% true. I live in Oregon, and she was a nature gal. She had no qualms.

5/22/15 9:08am

What caliber were the guns?

Yeti_Mawl

5/22/15 10:42am

Wow, tell us how you really feel... seriously there's no debate 93% of the

kotacoug

5/21/15 9:30am

Sounds like your wife isn't the only one that needs some sleep.

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 9:31am

Ooh, good one. You got me.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:49am

I'm very pro breastfeeding and I agree with your general point

jrob30

5/21/15 9:34am

Another thing to keep in mind - only mom can breastfeed

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:36am

lol, thin-skinned much? Look I agree with most of what you wrote but

bulletproof

5/21/15 9:35am

You don't have a problem with shaming or embarrassing nursing mothers?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:43am

I have a problem with people like you always trying to change everyone around

bulletproof

5/21/15 9:49am

"You look like a whiny little sissy" - ad hominem much?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:52am

not at all, its entirely relevant to the situation. In fact, it probably

bulletproof

5/21/15 9:58am

Care of the child should be the issue and I have never had an issue with a

Fdnman

5/21/15 9:36am

ummm.... if a kid is old enough to walk around and ask for it....

kotacoug

5/21/15 9:39am

Fine. Not at all what I'm talking about, though.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:47am

But people worrying more about the "agenda" are having an effect on

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:46am

I could be convinced, but I need to see more long words ending in "-ic"

JackStack

5/21/15 9:36am

Bombastic?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:43am

Ahh, the offseason at its finest.

ldssdl

5/21/15 9:40am

Maybe we can start up a formula / nursing cover MLM

ebv

5/21/15 10:05am

I don't even understand why there is a debate. When possible, out of courtesy

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 9:44am

and in church there is a room specifically for this type of activity. Use it.

blueaussie

5/21/15 9:51am

A convenience, not a requirement.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:53am

Courtesy is never a requirement, but it is appreciated.

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 9:55am

That's how I feel about the bathroom

KingDave

5/21/15 9:55am

Feeding a child does not equate to taking a crap. FYI

Blue Ghost

5/21/15 9:57am

And there we go - the breastfeeding/peeing analogy.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 9:58am

You really need to chill, dude.

KingDave

5/21/15 10:03am

Jokes are usually funny. Sorry for the mistake.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:07am

In my experience yours never are.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:09am

Good argument. Hyperbolic generalizations always win.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:50am

Better analogy is changing a diaper

Remigius

5/21/15 10:07am

You're absolutely right. And the way people react to you not extending that

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:03am

I'm not the one who can't handle the sight of a breastfeeding mother

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:41am

That's funny, because that's a completely different point than the one you've

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:23am

You must have misread my post.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:35am

Nope. Here you go.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:38am

You're not making sense.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:46am

Heaven forbid that someone breastfeed in sacrament meeting . . . errr . . .

ebv

5/21/15 9:56am

Happened just about every week on my mission. Then again, it was also common on

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 9:59am

Is "cultural norm" an excuse for shame?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:02am

It really is laughable how condescending you are to people with differing

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:06am

I think there are some absolutes.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:16am

Sorry, man. That's just false. You're not the only one with a wife who has

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:43am

So it's not about what's right, it's about what takes less effort. Got it.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:45am

Nice straw man. You're the one who was ranting about the inconvenience. You're

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:03am

I get it. If I say the sky is blue, you'll argue that I'm an idiot.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:37am

Not at all. Feel free to make a coherent and reasonable argument and I'll be the

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:39am

RE: Not at all. Feel free to make a coherent and reasonable argument and I'll be

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:42am

LOL. Still waiting

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:46am

I can't dictate when you're going to be rational. It may take a while.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:51am

Who said anything about shaming or stoning? Thanks for the hyperbole though.

Dread Pirate Westley

5/21/15 10:10am

I think cultural norms by definition create shame. isn't that the point of the

jbonita

5/21/15 11:54am

Wow, hyperbole much?

NewMexiCoug

5/21/15 12:26pm

Yep. I get it. It's just funny that 19th Century Mormons had no qualms about it

ebv

5/21/15 10:02am

1871? So is polygamy okay too?

blueaussie

5/21/15 10:02am

It's weird that we've progressed so much in some areas, yet regressed in others,

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:04am

Wait, is there a law preventing mothers from breastfeeding in public? You are

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:08am

Relax, I thought by the you'd know it was a joke.

blueaussie

5/21/15 10:16am

Give it another five years or so.

ebv

5/21/15 10:07am

You are probably spot on.

blueaussie

5/21/15 10:17am

Condescend much?

StantonMac

5/21/15 9:59am

That's the word I was looking for - it's also condescending to make nursing

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:03am

Yes it is. It's also condescending for a nursing mother to disregard the

StantonMac

5/21/15 10:11am

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:54am

So it's about how difficult a task is?

StantonMac

5/21/15 11:09am

No.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:44am

The vast majority of women don't cover up because society is "forcing" them to.

StantonMac

5/21/15 11:58am

"inner sense of modesty"

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 12:12pm

Whatever the cause, you are saying people "force" women to cover up

StantonMac

5/21/15 12:52pm

In many ways I do feel oppressed, but that's another discussion

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 3:09pm

Are you really saying people who want women to cover up do so because they HATE

jbonita

5/21/15 3:12pm

Holy crap, but people around here have such narrow interpretations of words

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 4:00pm

It's cute how you think you're smarter than everyone.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 4:05pm

Because I know the actual definition of words?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:49pm

Words have a meaning. Misogyny, homophobia, racism, etc. are strong words

jbonita

5/21/15 5:23pm

I think the words fit.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:49pm

best case scenario you are dog whistling. Worst case you are being inflammatory.

jbonita

5/21/15 11:50pm

I agree with a lot of the stuff you post, but man, your delivery is awful. Relax

messi

5/21/15 6:15pm

When people read my posts, does an angry voice say the words in their heads?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:47pm

Nobody is making the vast majority of women feel ashamed or embarrassed

StantonMac

5/21/15 5:39pm

Oh, it doesn't affect a majority, so who really gives a crap?

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 7:45pm

No, more like stop using your own personal anecdotal evidence to pretend this is

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 8:53pm

How has this blown up into a "huge problem in society"?

SoCalCoug

5/22/15 4:34pm

You may not like it, but that is the way our society has "progressed." The

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:15am

People on this board judge mothers who don't cover up.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:18am

And you allow that to offend your sensibilities. How does that make you any

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 10:44am

Unwarranted shaming offends my sensibilities. Okay, you got me.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:49am

Congrats on your outrage. You're really changing the world.

Epileptic Beagle

5/21/15 11:04am

At least someone's trying.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 11:07am

Another way to look at it:

BigD Coug

5/21/15 10:43am

I agree, it's the perverts and stalkers who are the concern here.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:51am

I'll admit to being slightly disgusted by it

Belboz

5/21/15 10:45am

Chauvinistic. Spelling--it's not just for manly men anymore.

5/21/15 10:45am

I thought it looked wrong.

SoCalCoug

5/21/15 10:52am

Trust your instincts. Occasionally they aren't wrong.

5/22/15 7:49am

BINGO! I HATE women! Cover them up! "Why can't a women be more like a man?!"

Scooter

5/21/15 10:51am

Agreed. Just don't get mad when you're ogled. It's just as natural for men to

db59840

5/21/15 1:11pm

Hold on to something...

Heinz57

5/21/15 1:47pm

Woah, aren't you almost 50? Twins in your 40's

Cochise Cat

5/22/15 12:35am

I'll be 63 when they graduate high school.

SoCalCoug

5/22/15 4:39pm

I pretty much don't disagree with anything you said, but anytime someone starts

UNLVcougar

5/22/15 8:16am

You know, I once made a harmless joke here about a woman making a sandwich, and

SoCalCoug

5/22/15 4:40pm

Undoubtedly, you offended a few of the male mods...

Breaded Hamster

5/22/15 6:23pm

Agree. A nursing woman should cover up to the extent necessary for HER to feel

5/22/15 9:18pm

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