There's no value in winning a championship in an irrelevant conference

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Sep 22, 2017
6:47:30am

Freddie Cougar All-American

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Help me understand why multiple losses to P5s is better than

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:20pm

Without looking who won the sunbelt last year? C USA? See no one cares

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 2:21pm

now see if they can name the MWC and AAC

Nat Gas Man

9/21/17 2:24pm

nope nobody cares, G5 is the new FCS

Nat Gas Man

9/21/17 2:25pm

And who cares about BYU right now, or since Indy?

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:36pm

If we were 4-0 all of cfb would care right now.

CarolinaCoug

9/21/17 2:54pm

But..we're not.and they don't.

JarJarBeeps

9/21/17 5:14pm

Every year. Ugh.

SaintGeorgeYFan

9/21/17 5:52pm

2019 is a 0-4 start, indy is great!

blackshirts

9/21/17 6:46pm

How can a guy with the board name "blackshirts" want to play a schedule of

SolidBlue

9/21/17 8:54pm

If UMASS won every game...

blackshirts

9/21/17 6:47pm

No non-BYU fan could tell you what our record has been for 6 years, either.

Junior Deputy

9/21/17 4:01pm

Im gonna guess Houston or Navy and then Boise probably for MWC

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 2:26pm

Houston and SDSU

Nat Gas Man

9/21/17 2:28pm

*Temple

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:34pm

SDSU and Temple. No I didn't look that up.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:33pm

If you are looking to kill the program theres not many quicker ways than going G5. Not only will our payout be smaller

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 2:38pm

how about not being ranked since going independent, where other G5's

franklyvulgar

9/21/17 2:45pm

But that doesn't hold water.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:56pm

I can think of fans right now who would jump ship for Utah if BYU went G5. You are right winning is important but who

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 3:03pm

I can see a lot of fans who are jumping ship right now because of the all the

JarJarBeeps

9/21/17 5:17pm

Clearly not true fans then. And how many are already jumping ship because we

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 10:36am

To add to that. This team this year would be fighting for third to sixth in MWC

NachoCougar

9/21/17 2:57pm

We aren't talking about one isolated year.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 12:55pm

We say that every year in the WCC

NachoCougar

9/22/17 2:31pm

I disagree. We may have been outsiders, but we were regularly in the top 25

IronPotato

9/21/17 7:58pm

BYU wouldn't be playing in the Sun Belt or C-USA. Poor response.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:30pm

Whats the difference?

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 2:32pm

The MWC and ACC go to NY6 bowls and end the season ranked.

SaintGeorgeYFan

9/21/17 5:55pm

Because it's a false dichotomy. This isn't the choice before us.

chilango

9/21/17 2:21pm

Obviously. More of a question for fans who prefer one over the other.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:34pm

I'd rather watch BYU play a good team (and sometimes lose) than watch them

8-track

9/21/17 2:36pm

Sometimes?

byupacker

9/21/17 2:36pm

Sure. I'd rather lose most of the time if it means playing real teams.

8-track

9/21/17 2:37pm

I agree. Quality of opponents is more important than winning.

Cooler4

9/21/17 2:41pm

I was at the wisconsin game, the attendance there tell me a lot disagree

franklyvulgar

9/21/17 2:53pm

I wonder if Vanderbilt feels the same way.

kolob32

9/21/17 2:56pm

If vanderbilt wanted to win right now they could easily join the sun belt. They dont because they are smart and know

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 3:05pm

As a fan I would take Boise State in MWC over Vanderbilt in SEC any day

kolob32

9/21/17 3:26pm

You would rather be forever locked out of the big boys club than get millions with the shot for greatness

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 3:36pm

Locked out of the big boys club? I'm happy to bash BSU as much as the next guy

JarJarBeeps

9/21/17 5:22pm

Exactly how I see it, bsu is viewed as P5 more than vanderbilt

kolob32

9/21/17 5:41pm

They will never, I repeat never have the chance to play for a title. Vanderbilt has that option

monkeycowboy

9/21/17 6:04pm

I'm sure that thought gives vanderbilt fans comfort.

kolob32

9/21/17 6:19pm

Wow, TIC?

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:57pm

I think this would be better phrased: I'd rather watch BYU play a good team

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:38pm

The games are more fun to watch. Having the possibility (however remote) of

8-track

9/21/17 2:43pm

^^This^^ 100% agree.

Cooler4

9/21/17 2:46pm

For individual games, I agree with you. But not for a season.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 3:00pm

Agree 100%. I'm an out-of-state season ticket holder and also go to the

vaquero

9/21/17 5:41pm

We absolutely do have the means to compete. It's amazing what a bit of losing does to some of y'all's spines.

CalGTR

9/21/17 3:01pm

I think it helps more in recruiting than in the eyes of fans

SUAVO

9/21/17 2:43pm

sure hasn't helped our recruiting so far, this isn't the first year as Indy

franklyvulgar

9/21/17 2:47pm

When we were in a conference, we wanted to play bigger teams more often. We wanted a shot at the big guys.

CalGTR

9/21/17 2:49pm

I don't disagree with you. However, it is hard to do this when the school

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 3:07pm

We're getting murdered in the WCC.. G5 may be our undoing...

NachoCougar

9/21/17 2:54pm

Who cares about a G5 conference championship? No one

Mr. Belding

9/21/17 3:01pm

Everyone who won a championship last year, and everyone in those conferences.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 3:08pm

It’s like the NIT. No one cares.

Mr. Belding

9/21/17 3:13pm

Who is no one? National media pays their respects, coaches and players want it

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:44am

What's the point of a G5 championship?

Freddie Cougar

9/21/17 3:10pm

What is the point of any championship in any sport?

Junior Deputy

9/21/17 4:03pm

What’s the point of anything?

Mr. Belding

9/21/17 4:04pm

Where am I? What happened to my pants?

Junior Deputy

9/21/17 4:12pm

There's no value in winning a championship in an irrelevant conference

Freddie Cougar

9/22/17 6:47am

Your logic is stunning. Every BYU championship in any sport since the beginning

Junior Deputy

9/22/17 6:53am

Guess what we have a strong label on par with the P5. We shouldnt throw it away. Like any p5 program we are in a positio

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 7:38am

For every passing reference to us as a P5-caliber school, there is a passing

Junior Deputy

9/22/17 7:44am

G5 is becoming less and less relevant with each passing season. Lets take our history and build on it. Your plan would

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 7:49am

ESPN called us G5 last week re: the Wisconsin game. Look it up.

Junior Deputy

9/22/17 10:15am

So struggle in mediocrity for some off the wall chance we end up making it to

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:48am

Lots of football teams struggle. Every year only a handful get to play in meaningful bowl games. Everyone is playing for

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 7:54am

That just doesn't hold weight.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:07am

Mediocrity is too harsh a word for a team that wins 8 or 9 games a season

Freddie Cougar

9/22/17 9:21am

That is the definition of mediocrity. 8-9 wins a season with no Top 25 ranking.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:29am

No, mediocre would be going 6-6 against middle of the road teams.

Freddie Cougar

9/22/17 9:35am

There really isn't much of difference between 6-6 and 8-4...

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:51am

The world changes. The current system has rendered football outside of the P5

Freddie Cougar

9/22/17 8:48am

When has football outside the P5/BCS/Bowl Alliance ever been relevant?

Junior Deputy

9/22/17 10:46am

I don't even think the NY6 are relevant any more

Nat Gas Man

9/22/17 11:57am

There's some truth to that.

Freddie Cougar

9/22/17 2:10pm

Well I guess we should discount any championship we have every won in any

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:46am

What have those conference championships gotten us since? BYU winning a Natty helped create the system wherein the Power

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 7:50am

They have gotten us ranked in the Top 25, media support, and exposure.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:10am

Utah and TCU had far less of these special conference championships. I dont think its the reason they were taken and

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 8:13am

I'm not necessarily comparing this to why BYU wasn't taken.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:25am

Why wasnt boise taken? They have been to more NY6 games than any other G5. Its because of other circumstances.

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 8:34am

BSU wasn't taken because they don't academically fit and are in Idaho

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:45am

One thing to keep in mind is that the gulf between the haves and have nots is wider than when TCU and Utah were taken

monkeycowboy

9/22/17 8:51am

Fair point.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:01am

If we beat Utah this year this board would look totally different

GhostofPostersPast

9/21/17 3:12pm

A lot of flipper IF's on this board.

blackshirts

9/21/17 6:53pm

The question should be

teancum

9/21/17 4:31pm

Let's go Big Sky and win conference championships and national championships!

GilbertAZCougar

9/21/17 5:04pm

We can clobber G5s this year and who cares

Coogar2

9/21/17 6:45pm

We make more money this way. Period. Does that help you understand?

kiyoshige

9/21/17 6:57pm

Wow, clearly. What has that money done for us?!

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:50am

However bad you think our current coaches facilities and all else you mention

kiyoshige

9/22/17 11:44pm

We would be the exact same is my point. The facilities that we do have

TheLoneCougar

9/23/17 7:55am

What about other sports? Also our athletics program

kiyoshige

9/23/17 10:13pm

it'd be pretty awesome if we could play our schedule in reverse order

Hill4Heisman

9/21/17 7:08pm

Some of us want to be the best. Being the prettiest girl at an ugly girl party isn't the satisfaction I want..

HarlemCoug

9/21/17 7:58pm

Perfect comparison. 👍👍👍

SolidBlue

9/22/17 9:11am

So who cares about winning, or going out with best looking person. Just want

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:17am

I don't think our record would be much better in the MWC this year

RobDog

9/21/17 8:52pm

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