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Sep 22, 2017
7:48:02am

TheLoneCougar Contributor

So struggle in mediocrity for some off the wall chance we end up making it to

a P5 league, or start a culture of winning and winning a lot like we did in the WAC and DESERVE an invite to P5 conference because all we do is win. Utah and TCU made it to the big boy club by WINNING in a G5 conference. At least there is a proven path

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Help me understand why multiple losses to P5s is better than

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:20pm

Without looking who won the sunbelt last year? C USA? See no one cares

9/21/17 2:21pm

now see if they can name the MWC and AAC

Nat Gas Man

9/21/17 2:24pm

nope nobody cares, G5 is the new FCS

Nat Gas Man

9/21/17 2:25pm

And who cares about BYU right now, or since Indy?

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:36pm

If we were 4-0 all of cfb would care right now.

9/21/17 2:54pm

But..we're not.and they don't.

JarJarBeeps

9/21/17 5:14pm

Every year. Ugh.

SaintGeorgeYFan

9/21/17 5:52pm

2019 is a 0-4 start, indy is great!

blackshirts

9/21/17 6:46pm

How can a guy with the board name "blackshirts" want to play a schedule of

SolidBlue

9/21/17 8:54pm

If UMASS won every game...

blackshirts

9/21/17 6:47pm

No non-BYU fan could tell you what our record has been for 6 years, either.

9/21/17 4:01pm

Im gonna guess Houston or Navy and then Boise probably for MWC

9/21/17 2:26pm

Houston and SDSU

Nat Gas Man

9/21/17 2:28pm

*Temple

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:34pm

SDSU and Temple. No I didn't look that up.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:33pm

If you are looking to kill the program theres not many quicker ways than going G5. Not only will our payout be smaller

9/21/17 2:38pm

how about not being ranked since going independent, where other G5's

franklyvulgar

9/21/17 2:45pm

But that doesn't hold water.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:56pm

I can think of fans right now who would jump ship for Utah if BYU went G5. You are right winning is important but who

9/21/17 3:03pm

I can see a lot of fans who are jumping ship right now because of the all the

JarJarBeeps

9/21/17 5:17pm

Clearly not true fans then. And how many are already jumping ship because we

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 10:36am

To add to that. This team this year would be fighting for third to sixth in MWC

NachoCougar

9/21/17 2:57pm

We aren't talking about one isolated year.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 12:55pm

We say that every year in the WCC

NachoCougar

9/22/17 2:31pm

I disagree. We may have been outsiders, but we were regularly in the top 25

IronPotato

9/21/17 7:58pm

BYU wouldn't be playing in the Sun Belt or C-USA. Poor response.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:30pm

Whats the difference?

9/21/17 2:32pm

The MWC and ACC go to NY6 bowls and end the season ranked.

SaintGeorgeYFan

9/21/17 5:55pm

Because it's a false dichotomy. This isn't the choice before us.

chilango

9/21/17 2:21pm

Obviously. More of a question for fans who prefer one over the other.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:34pm

I'd rather watch BYU play a good team (and sometimes lose) than watch them

8-track

9/21/17 2:36pm

Sometimes?

byupacker

9/21/17 2:36pm

Sure. I'd rather lose most of the time if it means playing real teams.

8-track

9/21/17 2:37pm

I agree. Quality of opponents is more important than winning.

Cooler4

9/21/17 2:41pm

I was at the wisconsin game, the attendance there tell me a lot disagree

franklyvulgar

9/21/17 2:53pm

I wonder if Vanderbilt feels the same way.

kolob32

9/21/17 2:56pm

If vanderbilt wanted to win right now they could easily join the sun belt. They dont because they are smart and know

9/21/17 3:05pm

As a fan I would take Boise State in MWC over Vanderbilt in SEC any day

kolob32

9/21/17 3:26pm

You would rather be forever locked out of the big boys club than get millions with the shot for greatness

9/21/17 3:36pm

Locked out of the big boys club? I'm happy to bash BSU as much as the next guy

JarJarBeeps

9/21/17 5:22pm

Exactly how I see it, bsu is viewed as P5 more than vanderbilt

kolob32

9/21/17 5:41pm

They will never, I repeat never have the chance to play for a title. Vanderbilt has that option

9/21/17 6:04pm

I'm sure that thought gives vanderbilt fans comfort.

kolob32

9/21/17 6:19pm

Wow, TIC?

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:57pm

I think this would be better phrased: I'd rather watch BYU play a good team

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 2:38pm

The games are more fun to watch. Having the possibility (however remote) of

8-track

9/21/17 2:43pm

^^This^^ 100% agree.

Cooler4

9/21/17 2:46pm

For individual games, I agree with you. But not for a season.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 3:00pm

Agree 100%. I'm an out-of-state season ticket holder and also go to the

vaquero

9/21/17 5:41pm

We absolutely do have the means to compete. It's amazing what a bit of losing does to some of y'all's spines.

CalGTR

9/21/17 3:01pm

I think it helps more in recruiting than in the eyes of fans

SUAVO

9/21/17 2:43pm

sure hasn't helped our recruiting so far, this isn't the first year as Indy

franklyvulgar

9/21/17 2:47pm

When we were in a conference, we wanted to play bigger teams more often. We wanted a shot at the big guys.

CalGTR

9/21/17 2:49pm

I don't disagree with you. However, it is hard to do this when the school

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 3:07pm

We're getting murdered in the WCC.. G5 may be our undoing...

NachoCougar

9/21/17 2:54pm

Who cares about a G5 conference championship? No one

Mr. Belding

9/21/17 3:01pm

Everyone who won a championship last year, and everyone in those conferences.

TheLoneCougar

9/21/17 3:08pm

It’s like the NIT. No one cares.

Mr. Belding

9/21/17 3:13pm

Who is no one? National media pays their respects, coaches and players want it

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:44am

What's the point of a G5 championship?

9/21/17 3:10pm

What is the point of any championship in any sport?

9/21/17 4:03pm

What’s the point of anything?

Mr. Belding

9/21/17 4:04pm

Where am I? What happened to my pants?

9/21/17 4:12pm

There's no value in winning a championship in an irrelevant conference

9/22/17 6:47am

Your logic is stunning. Every BYU championship in any sport since the beginning

9/22/17 6:53am

Guess what we have a strong label on par with the P5. We shouldnt throw it away. Like any p5 program we are in a positio

9/22/17 7:38am

For every passing reference to us as a P5-caliber school, there is a passing

9/22/17 7:44am

G5 is becoming less and less relevant with each passing season. Lets take our history and build on it. Your plan would

9/22/17 7:49am

ESPN called us G5 last week re: the Wisconsin game. Look it up.

9/22/17 10:15am

So struggle in mediocrity for some off the wall chance we end up making it to

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:48am

Lots of football teams struggle. Every year only a handful get to play in meaningful bowl games. Everyone is playing for

9/22/17 7:54am

That just doesn't hold weight.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:07am

Mediocrity is too harsh a word for a team that wins 8 or 9 games a season

9/22/17 9:21am

That is the definition of mediocrity. 8-9 wins a season with no Top 25 ranking.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:29am

No, mediocre would be going 6-6 against middle of the road teams.

9/22/17 9:35am

There really isn't much of difference between 6-6 and 8-4...

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:51am

The world changes. The current system has rendered football outside of the P5

9/22/17 8:48am

When has football outside the P5/BCS/Bowl Alliance ever been relevant?

9/22/17 10:46am

I don't even think the NY6 are relevant any more

Nat Gas Man

9/22/17 11:57am

There's some truth to that.

9/22/17 2:10pm

Well I guess we should discount any championship we have every won in any

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:46am

What have those conference championships gotten us since? BYU winning a Natty helped create the system wherein the Power

9/22/17 7:50am

They have gotten us ranked in the Top 25, media support, and exposure.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:10am

Utah and TCU had far less of these special conference championships. I dont think its the reason they were taken and

9/22/17 8:13am

I'm not necessarily comparing this to why BYU wasn't taken.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:25am

Why wasnt boise taken? They have been to more NY6 games than any other G5. Its because of other circumstances.

9/22/17 8:34am

BSU wasn't taken because they don't academically fit and are in Idaho

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 8:45am

One thing to keep in mind is that the gulf between the haves and have nots is wider than when TCU and Utah were taken

9/22/17 8:51am

Fair point.

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:01am

If we beat Utah this year this board would look totally different

GhostofPostersPast

9/21/17 3:12pm

A lot of flipper IF's on this board.

blackshirts

9/21/17 6:53pm

The question should be

teancum

9/21/17 4:31pm

Let's go Big Sky and win conference championships and national championships!

GilbertAZCougar

9/21/17 5:04pm

We can clobber G5s this year and who cares

Coogar2

9/21/17 6:45pm

We make more money this way. Period. Does that help you understand?

kiyoshige

9/21/17 6:57pm

Wow, clearly. What has that money done for us?!

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 7:50am

However bad you think our current coaches facilities and all else you mention

kiyoshige

9/22/17 11:44pm

We would be the exact same is my point. The facilities that we do have

TheLoneCougar

9/23/17 7:55am

What about other sports? Also our athletics program

kiyoshige

9/23/17 10:13pm

it'd be pretty awesome if we could play our schedule in reverse order

Hill4Heisman

9/21/17 7:08pm

Some of us want to be the best. Being the prettiest girl at an ugly girl party isn't the satisfaction I want..

HarlemCoug

9/21/17 7:58pm

Perfect comparison. 👍👍👍

SolidBlue

9/22/17 9:11am

So who cares about winning, or going out with best looking person. Just want

TheLoneCougar

9/22/17 9:17am

I don't think our record would be much better in the MWC this year

RobDog

9/21/17 8:52pm

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