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Jul 18, 2019
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jkccoug
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Well you have to break it down by age category. Bishops are overwhelmingly 40+
And already typically have lots of children. Maybe 50% is wildly inaccurate but it is a non-trivial number.
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I'd like to understand the pro vasectomy position on CB
Kral
7/18/19 11:24am
RE: I'd like to understand the pro vasectomy position on CB
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:25am
RE: I'd like to understand the pro vasectomy position on CB
flavordave
7/18/19 11:27am
it is "strongly discouraged"?
byu1
7/18/19 11:28am
In Handbook 1 for leaders, yes. But that position given to Church leaders
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:29am
A friend of mine asked his bishop because the handbook says to do that
buffgato
7/18/19 11:33am
Yeah at this point that portion of the handbook is almost quaint. I bet 50% of
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:38am
I'd take that bet. 50% seems high.
John Doe
7/18/19 12:31pm
what would you peg it at? just out of curiosity.
jkccoug
7/18/19 2:05pm
Considering only ~10% of men in America have done it
Ned Schneebly
7/18/19 2:28pm
Well you have to break it down by age category. Bishops are overwhelmingly 40+
jkccoug
7/18/19 2:42pm
Fair enough. I'm sure the majority of men who've done the procedure
Ned Schneebly
7/18/19 3:10pm
Yeah I tried to look it up too. Surprisingly little data.
jkccoug
7/18/19 3:18pm
page 76 and 77 of this CDC study
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/18/19 3:38pm
I first went to page 66. I feel bad for those guys in the 3rd column...
Ned Schneebly
7/18/19 4:50pm
Thanks! So roughly 27-28% for the age/marital status
jkccoug
7/18/19 5:04pm
Demographics play a huge role. If you have one, and tell your friends how
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/18/19 5:09pm
What % of men will end up having a vasectomy? What age group are those 10% in?
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/18/19 2:49pm
Pretty sure it is in Handbook 2 also.
AggieWeekendCougar
7/18/19 11:39am
You're right! Has that been in there a long time? I don't recall seeing it
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:41am
Yes.
BYUtka
7/18/19 12:44pm
It’s very much a case by case thing
buffgato
7/18/19 11:28am
How many kids does one have before a vasectomy is "ok" in your opinion?
TheWanderer
7/18/19 11:37am
Up to you. I’m just giving contrasting examples
buffgato
7/18/19 11:39am
Contrasting examples that essentially pivoted on # of children.
TheWanderer
7/18/19 11:42am
I think you missed most of what I said
buffgato
7/18/19 11:47am
Okay, I'll accept that. I can see that reading of it.
TheWanderer
7/18/19 11:47am
My parents had 3 kids, my bro 4, me 5, my sis 2. My sister is inactive in the church. What if my sister had 3 kids, huh?
sevenIDcougs
7/18/19 11:26pm
I can't answer for all, and we haven't had a permanent procedure, but we are
TailgateU
7/18/19 12:18pm
I don't even think 2 kids and inconvenience is a different scenario. Perfectly valid reason.
TCuz
7/18/19 12:33pm
Not forbidden by the church. It's up to you and your wife.
WDaddy
7/18/19 11:29am
RE: I'd like to understand the pro vasectomy position on CB
IceBlueCoug
7/18/19 11:30am
RE: I'd like to understand the pro vasectomy position on CB
Mikey
7/18/19 11:30am
Assume dad is 40 and mom is 35ish. They are done having kids. A vs is the least difficult way to get permanent birth
HarlemCoug
7/18/19 11:31am
or Mother is > 40 and "high risk" several late term miscarriages,each causing
byu1
7/18/19 11:34am
Some on CB: "That will just be a faith building experience for the couple"
TheWanderer
7/18/19 11:36am
yep, if it don't kill ya, it'll make ya stronger
byu1
7/18/19 12:08pm
Link to this type of response on CB?
BYUtka
7/18/19 1:01pm
because i don't think the or any church should have a say in that sort of thing
BlueFrog
7/18/19 11:31am
aren't using other forms of birth control doing the exact same thing?
byu1
7/18/19 11:31am
I think that's why people do it. Once you decide that birth control is up to the
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:32am
It's easy to stop using birth control if you choose.
Great38
7/18/19 11:39am
Sure. But to be real, dudes don't want to father children after a certain age
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:42am
Unless...things change. Maybe your wife dies and you marry a single lady wanting
runnincoug
7/18/19 10:40pm
Or maybe his wife gets pregnant again and murders him.
TheWanderer
7/18/19 10:42pm
Not hypothetically. And you can reverse vasectomies.
jkccoug
7/19/19 9:30am
That's why you pray in advance.
jkccoug
7/19/19 9:30am
If I've been snipped, my wife dies, and a new wife wants kids....
TheWanderer
7/19/19 9:39am
If she really wants kids maybe she won't be his new wife
Northwest Cougar
7/19/19 10:03am
That's one of my reasons I thought about it
Kral
7/18/19 12:01pm
RE: I'd like to understand the pro vasectomy position on CB
mightybrick
7/18/19 11:33am
My wife and I have 5 kids
JKLCoug
7/18/19 11:33am
Don't talk to your Bishop. He doesn't care.
WDaddy
7/18/19 11:35am
Agreed, grownups can make grown up decisions
JOPE
7/18/19 11:38am
I totally agree
JKLCoug
7/18/19 11:40am
Yeah it feels like a weird holdover from the Saturday's Warrior era.
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:58am
This. Please don't waste his time just so he can tell you to pray about it and
jkccoug
7/18/19 11:57am
See my post above
JKLCoug
7/18/19 12:15pm
I have 5 kids too, but the earth doesn’t really need repopulation. Just sayin’.
chilango
7/18/19 12:39pm
Depends on who's doing the repopulating...
Iki_Balam
7/18/19 12:45pm
Um... Because birth control turns my wife into a crazy person and the other popular method is like enjoying a popsicle
Slim
7/18/19 11:35am
RE: Um... Because birth control turns my wife into a crazy person and the other
azmbacougar
7/18/19 12:41pm
RE: Um... Because birth control turns my wife into a crazy person and the other
CougBlu
7/18/19 12:44pm
RE: Um... Because birth control turns my wife into a crazy person and the other
Iki_Balam
7/18/19 12:53pm
This may be one of the greatest posts on CB, right next to life size LaVell
Iki_Balam
7/18/19 12:53pm
Agreed. Literal LOL after reading it.
Lalau
7/18/19 1:33pm
Well....ahem....Slim....
pink22
7/18/19 1:24pm
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cougstyle
7/18/19 1:56pm
Testify!
KingDave
7/18/19 2:02pm
The “sock” allows for all the pleasure, but no clean up
Sexytaxman
7/18/19 11:41pm
Well that’s just not true
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/19/19 7:55am
Oh, you meant with a woman?
Sexytaxman
7/20/19 9:48pm
Name checks out
LifelongAP
7/19/19 3:05pm
I don't get it either. It's so much easier to just not have sex.
DKN
7/18/19 11:35am
Plus, it will help the climate if you don't
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
7/18/19 11:38am
i read climate as climax...
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/18/19 2:27pm
RE: i read climate as climax...
Iki_Balam
7/18/19 4:48pm
The reason I would do it is because I don’t want anymore kids
JOPE
7/18/19 11:35am
Seer stones to "clipped stones". A day on CB is always fascinating.
Troy McClure
7/18/19 11:35am
kind of like asking, "did you only plan on having 2 kids?", love these questions
byu1
7/18/19 11:40am
My wife and I waited 6 years to become parents...it became nightmarish
Punk Philosopher
7/18/19 11:59am
we have 5 years between my 1st and 2nd, people would always ask, "when are you
byu1
7/18/19 12:11pm
Ugh....I don’t understand why questions like these are acceptable
Punk Philosopher
7/18/19 12:27pm
Lol. She tricked you into a second? Doesn't sound like you guys are on the same
vegasnative
7/18/19 12:16pm
Yeah. And......yeah.
Punk Philosopher
7/18/19 12:22pm
The truly faithful ensure that the first few kids are on the government's dime.
dYrtbYkerYder
7/18/19 11:29pm
Once again, not trying to shame, just understand perspective
Kral
7/18/19 12:11pm
People say that? I'm dumbfounded.
Mitty
7/18/19 4:46pm
So sorry for you and your wife. I’ve also suffered through miscarriages and
redwood
7/18/19 7:20pm
I can't help. My wife took care of it on her part. I may want a kid later.
JAGA97
7/18/19 11:41am
btw, our Bishop (at the time) now Stake Pres, offered one up at ward auction
byu1
7/18/19 11:42am
As in, "Hey Brother byu1, you wanna get snipped? Let's go to the kitchen"?
TheWanderer
7/18/19 11:45am
It isn't so much about a vasectomy being "evil" or wrong, but having any permanent procedure done that can affect
TheLoneCougar
7/18/19 11:43am
Add this to a long lst of reasons why I never want to be a bishop. I would hate
Murray
7/18/19 1:03pm
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BYUtka
7/18/19 1:15pm
Just doing what we felt the Church was counseling us to do. We didn't make a separate appointment and waste his time.
TheLoneCougar
7/18/19 7:31pm
It seems like the "measure twice snip once" rule applies here.
Great38
7/18/19 11:45am
I did it. I considered the church's stance momentarily and then did
Troy McClure
7/18/19 11:52am
One of the best decisions I have made regarding my personal health
Jericho
7/18/19 11:56am
I wouldn't take into account the handbook stuff. If you're done having children,
diluigifan
7/18/19 11:57am
I've said it before regarding vasectomies:
TheWanderer
7/18/19 11:59am
Fallen Bishop - Board name idea
WDaddy
7/18/19 12:12pm
For you? For me?
TheWanderer
7/18/19 12:39pm
Free fall? Are you going comando!?
Iki_Balam
7/18/19 12:55pm
Why did they ever take that position?
RC Vikings
7/18/19 12:04pm
I think it was a backlash against certain cultural movements
jkccoug
7/18/19 12:08pm
There used to be (maybe still is) a very widespread teaching that
Troy McClure
7/18/19 1:06pm
I guess it's still a teaching but maybe not emphasized as much.
Troy McClure
7/18/19 1:40pm
Thanks all for the thoughtful comments...and inevitable jokes/gifs
Kral
7/18/19 12:17pm
I'm shocked that it's still in the Handbook at all
A_blue_car
7/18/19 12:56pm
Totally agree.
diluigifan
7/18/19 1:59pm
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Von Cougarschnauzer
7/18/19 1:19pm
Just got it done last week. Not as bad as I thought it would be.
cougstyle
7/18/19 1:58pm
I am of personal belief that man should when possible be responsible for birth
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/18/19 2:37pm
Safer and easier for me to have a vasectomy than for my wife to have
Bradleyd16
7/19/19 10:13am
I did it because, after we thought we were done, the "best" non-permanent method
LeftOfNormal
7/18/19 5:35pm
Riskier for the women, and she went through IUD placement.
Powerbait DPM studnt
7/18/19 8:29pm
I already have too many kids. Easy decision for us.
BostonCougar
7/18/19 10:32pm
I understand why guys do it. I looked into it and not for me.
runnincoug
7/18/19 10:53pm
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