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Mar 23, 2023
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I disagree with Pig. Fox has no need for Pac-12 content. He's naive to think so.
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Get real, Utah
Indy Coug
Loquacious Lummox
3/23/23 11:24am
One of those teams is not like the others.
RC-1138
3/23/23 11:27am
Actually two of those teams...
bluelands
3/23/23 11:45am
Two teams in the PAC have made the CFP... Guess which two
UberDeek
3/23/23 11:47am
Washington not only has made the 4 team playoff they are the only one of the 3 with a National championship.
JohnnyComeLately
3/23/23 11:51am
32 years ago
bluelands
3/23/23 11:53am
Yes… when did Utah and Oregon win their last Natty again?
JohnnyComeLately
3/23/23 11:55am
Well, Utah won theirs in 2008
UberDeek
3/23/23 11:58am
RE: Well, Utah won theirs in 2008
BYU Grounds
3/23/23 3:46pm
Oregon is making a run at the CFP almost every season
bluelands
3/23/23 12:00pm
I’m not a Washington fan by any stretch. But Washington and Oregon are talked about as the best of the PAC brands
JohnnyComeLately
3/23/23 12:04pm
You’re not wrong at all, but this is kind of interesting.
Blue Cat
3/23/23 2:03pm
If you go back only 10 or 15 yrs those numbers change pretty significantly though.
ManicBlue
3/23/23 2:09pm
Yewts the 3rd best brand in the PAC — uh, try again.
AZcougLawyer
3/23/23 12:39pm
Without their football success of the past 2 years, yewts would be the worst
AZcougLawyer
3/23/23 1:03pm
You really think
SaltLakeSlick
3/23/23 1:24pm
Wonder whose dup account this was. One day account with 2 total posts. Lame.
ManicBlue
3/23/23 3:25pm
I'll allow it
Great38
3/23/23 3:49pm
Wait, ESPN corner the west coast market? Why does that seem wrong?
fbguru
3/23/23 11:27am
I love that ute fans still come to CB for their daily dose of affirmation. 😉
ManicBlue
3/23/23 11:30am
Hey, he could be right-I hear ION is in the bidding.
zia cougar
3/23/23 11:31am
HSN might take them if they sell enough PAC12 bumper stickers
BYUBandfan
3/23/23 4:51pm
Not a fan of piggy. But a run at the playoffs? That's a legit triumvirate. People making fun of that
TFL
3/23/23 11:31am
All I care about is how much national sportswriters and other fanbases seem to enjoy kicking Utah
Indy Coug
3/23/23 11:32am
It's like two guys on twitter. Lol. But in reality, they're mad at Utah for not wanting
TFL
3/23/23 11:34am
RE: It's like two guys on twitter. Lol. But in reality, they're mad at Utah for not wanting
kimdaddy35
3/23/23 11:39am
LOL...now there's some spin
Ray Shoesmith
3/23/23 11:59am
I'd guess the University of Utah is most well known for its delusional fans
Belboz
3/23/23 12:16pm
TFL after all that spinning:
Ungoy
3/23/23 12:24pm
Why would anyone want Utah to move to the Big 12 and dilute the conferences brand?
slatecoug
3/23/23 12:26pm
Utah's a great program. Why do you think the 4 corners are mentioned so frequently without any hesitation on Utah?
TFL
3/23/23 12:54pm
Because people like round numbers.
kccougar
3/23/23 1:04pm
and great football
TFL
3/23/23 1:42pm
Great football would be winning an occasional P5 OOC game, at least more than once every 4 to 5 years.
slatecoug
3/23/23 1:46pm
"4 Corners" is a Dennis Dodd marketing creation. Poor history of correctness
Ripliancum
3/23/23 9:00pm
Maybe...but I'll tell you, most B12 homers really want Utah. Dodd included.
TFL
3/24/23 4:31pm
Being a playoff contender doesn't necessarily make people want to watch your games.
jacobugath
3/23/23 11:32am
Yep. People want to see bluebloods. Utah isn't one. They aren't about to
Carnac
3/23/23 11:37am
Utah isn't a blue blood. But to pretend they wouldn't be seen as a potential 12-team playoff contender
TFL
3/23/23 11:50am
But that is not the same thing as long-term enterprise value
Carnac
3/23/23 11:56am
Different argument though. In terms of high profile games with CFP ramifications
TFL
3/23/23 12:29pm
You mean kind of like they have been seen as a playoff contender going into the last 2 seasons?
slatecoug
3/23/23 12:29pm
But that's not the same as talking about the top PAC brands. Different issue.
akbarishiwatsu
3/23/23 1:54pm
Utes are over 4 million mark with UW, Oregon (3 times) and USC since 2018.
TFL
3/23/23 11:42am
Any of those with an opponent not a blue blood
NYC and Japan
3/23/23 12:48pm
Irrelevant. The comparison is Utah TV ratings vs. the other 7 schools.
TFL
3/23/23 12:57pm
What kind of audience do the Utes draw when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup?
slatecoug
3/23/23 1:48pm
Depends. 2019 Utah probably would've exceeded 5 million with any P12 opponent.
TFL
3/23/23 3:34pm
No one was following USC at that point. They were just glad Helton was gone.
slatecoug
3/23/23 3:57pm
I am sure all games that are compared were at the same time and channel
Medute
3/23/23 4:12pm
BYU vs USU last year also drew more than BYU vs Arkansas
krindorr
3/23/23 4:38pm
Completely agree. Too many variables. But the core argument is that
TFL
3/23/23 5:06pm
Eh, from a viewership perspective I don't think Utah is in that range
krindorr
3/23/23 5:23pm
Agreed. Oregon in a class by themselves. But OP was mocking the idea
TFL
3/23/23 7:08pm
Until Utah stops performing. Everything reverts to the mean including Utah.
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 10:24pm
According to someone that has much more knowledge than most on here, BYU is in a higher tier than Utah.
slatecoug
3/24/23 4:21pm
Feel free to show any of us one good viewership game when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup for 2022?
slatecoug
3/24/23 4:18pm
Because you're trying the classic BYU example of comparing Utah to blue bloods. Not to its peers. Utah peers
TFL
3/24/23 4:31pm
Utah is not a peer to BYU. Utah would not bring an additional $4 to $5 Mil. for each of their conference mates.
slatecoug
3/25/23 4:00pm
Very well said. And the PAC12 will just get weaker with the new additions.
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/25/23 8:06pm
You mean like the one you just cherry picked?
slatecoug
3/24/23 4:11pm
Bro, I love your passion, but submit to you that the viewership numbers are
OldFogey
3/23/23 1:38pm
BINGO! We have a winner.
slatecoug
3/23/23 1:48pm
Nah...the numbers don't bear that out
TFL
3/23/23 1:57pm
So if your assumption is true, its not the other brands pulling numbers its UT
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 2:42pm
It's the game itself. A slight majority of viewers were neither Utah or USC fans. In fact, many were Ohio State
TFL
3/23/23 2:51pm
You don't think Boise St. made the same argument during their run? Same results
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 2:57pm
Yes. Totally. If they rose to a P5 and competed at the top like TCU and Utah have. Yes. But they upgraded to the MWC
TFL
3/23/23 3:15pm
Utah doesn't have the quality of program that can compete at a 10-15 level in a tougher conference.
slatecoug
3/23/23 3:30pm
The eye rolls are from Ute fans. Trolls that live here but don’t care about BYU.
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 10:26pm
Those eye rolls are because it's true and they can't debate it.
slatecoug
3/24/23 4:22pm
According to Altimore, Ohio St. fan base is over 11 Mil strong.
slatecoug
3/23/23 3:13pm
Yep. Exactly. 3 million additional people tuned in to watch a compelling finish with two top 10 teams
TFL
3/23/23 3:44pm
You should just move on
Medute
3/23/23 3:50pm
No it’s not confusion. It’s reality that the PAC was weak and benefited Utah.
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 10:32pm
You're not understanding. They weren't watching U
OldFogey
3/23/23 5:07pm
In a down P12 and weak Gators, the yewts couldn’t win enough games for the CFP
RossoNeri
3/23/23 11:35am
what's the maximum number of losses a CFP team ever had?
hxmCougar2000
3/23/23 11:35am
The PAC 12 run to play offs ends in September most every year. Keep dreaming
jollaksentie
3/23/23 11:36am
The PAC12 would've had a playoff team this year, but CW tore his hammy
UberDeek
3/23/23 11:51am
Perhaps. I think the PAC12 needs an undefeated team to reach the playoff. USC might be an exception to that this year
jollaksentie
3/23/23 11:59am
Wow. The Ute fan delusions of grandeur are off the charts
Mikey
3/23/23 11:38am
Lol. Just the opposite. Pig's context is future runs at the 12-team playoffs. Are you saying that Utah
TFL
3/23/23 11:45am
PAC Playoff appearances (last 6yrs) - 0. Yewt alltime playoff appearances - 0.
Brandoblueblood
3/23/23 11:52am
You've zeroed in on the wrong part of that tweet.
Corn Pop
3/23/23 11:52am
I disagree with Pig. Fox has no need for Pac-12 content. He's naive to think so.
TFL
3/23/23 11:55am
The 12 team playoff is the best argument for
carmelcougar
3/23/23 12:20pm
But only for two years. Nobody should expect the playoff to remain the same. The
Nat Gas Man
3/23/23 12:55pm
Wait, that's a legitimate triumverate? Is this clickbait?
Brandoblueblood
3/23/23 11:46am
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TrackCoug
3/23/23 12:01pm
This. I've tried explaining it to TFL ad nauseam. He thinks like Boise St. fans.
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 2:47pm
This context isn't about realignment though. It's about tier 1 Pac-12 content. BYU fans are arguing that
TFL
3/23/23 3:07pm
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TrackCoug
3/23/23 3:20pm
The current media deal is based on O and UW signing a 3-4 year GOR. They're not going anywhere this time around
TFL
3/23/23 3:46pm
Are you saying the pac 10's media deal is done?
ManicBlue
3/23/23 4:15pm
Excellent point. You destroyed his argument right there. Which is why he dodged
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 10:37pm
Not true that Utah has won the PAC 12 2 years in a row.
baldcoug74
3/23/23 12:13pm
Guess what? The MWC champion will likely get in the playoff too
Huge Manatee
3/23/23 1:00pm
Utah's run at the playoffs
Pro Logic
3/23/23 11:35am
Oh wow. "These three teams all have the ability to make a run at the playoffs."
Brandoblueblood
3/23/23 11:36am
Well not really true.
SaltLakeSlick
3/23/23 12:34pm
Huh? No facts to support that. 2x PAC12 champs can't get single digit ranking
Brandoblueblood
3/23/23 3:35pm
RE: Huh? No facts to support that. 2x PAC12 champs can't get single digit
Atmospheric_Cougar
3/23/23 10:40pm
I think the right way to phrase it is: "I can't imagine a universe where a
Japan Coug
3/23/23 11:49am
I guess it depends how you are comparing them
Medute
3/23/23 11:58am
Exactly.
TFL
3/23/23 12:11pm
So you are saying Yewtah is the "smartest kid" on the short bus?
zia cougar
3/23/23 12:22pm
But it is the PAC
jetycns
3/23/23 12:26pm
Didn't even the PAC relegate most Utah games to the PAC Network because no major
BYUtka
3/23/23 11:59am
P12 network has minimum game requirements for each school.
TFL
3/23/23 12:14pm
And Utah was well above that minimum, right? They were one of the most
BYUtka
3/23/23 12:16pm
Oregon was on 2x, which must be the minimum??? Utah/UCLA/UW had 4, USC had 3
moknowssports
3/23/23 12:59pm
So... Double the minimum last year.
BYUtka
3/23/23 1:14pm
Based on that argument: USC was 50% more and UCLA was 100% above minimum
moknowssports
3/23/23 1:47pm
I hate to defend Utah but this is a false narrative here, sorry.
moknowssports
3/23/23 12:51pm
What about previous years? Still above the minimum.
BYUtka
3/23/23 1:13pm
4 loss teams are not CFP contenders under the current format.
slatecoug
3/23/23 12:23pm
RE: Get real, Utah
CharlottesvilleCoug
3/23/23 8:42pm
Does pig bus ute
Vegasjohn
3/23/23 8:51pm
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