This context isn't about realignment though. It's about tier 1 Pac-12 content. BYU fans are arguing that

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Mar 23, 2023
3:07:34pm

TFL All-American

This context isn't about realignment though. It's about tier 1 Pac-12 content. BYU fans are arguing that

only UW and Oregon are qualified to be CFP contenders and to create tier 1 content within the Pac-10.

Looking at Utah's success, future prospects within the conference and recent TV viewership, I would say they are more closely linked to UW and Oregon in those respects.

Not program value or blue blood prestige...no one thinks that Utah is close to those programs...just as an attractive option that would help a Fox or an ESPN want to cover tier 1 content.

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Get real, Utah

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

3/23/23 11:24am

One of those teams is not like the others.

RC-1138

3/23/23 11:27am

Actually two of those teams...

bluelands

3/23/23 11:45am

Two teams in the PAC have made the CFP... Guess which two

UberDeek

3/23/23 11:47am

Washington not only has made the 4 team playoff they are the only one of the 3 with a National championship.

JohnnyComeLately

3/23/23 11:51am

32 years ago

bluelands

3/23/23 11:53am

Yes… when did Utah and Oregon win their last Natty again?

JohnnyComeLately

3/23/23 11:55am

Well, Utah won theirs in 2008

UberDeek

3/23/23 11:58am

RE: Well, Utah won theirs in 2008

BYU Grounds

3/23/23 3:46pm

Oregon is making a run at the CFP almost every season

bluelands

3/23/23 12:00pm

I’m not a Washington fan by any stretch. But Washington and Oregon are talked about as the best of the PAC brands

JohnnyComeLately

3/23/23 12:04pm

You’re not wrong at all, but this is kind of interesting.

Blue Cat

3/23/23 2:03pm

If you go back only 10 or 15 yrs those numbers change pretty significantly though.

ManicBlue

3/23/23 2:09pm

Yewts the 3rd best brand in the PAC — uh, try again.

3/23/23 12:39pm

Without their football success of the past 2 years, yewts would be the worst

3/23/23 1:03pm

You really think

SaltLakeSlick

3/23/23 1:24pm

Wonder whose dup account this was. One day account with 2 total posts. Lame.

ManicBlue

3/23/23 3:25pm

I'll allow it

Great38

3/23/23 3:49pm

Wait, ESPN corner the west coast market? Why does that seem wrong?

fbguru

3/23/23 11:27am

I love that ute fans still come to CB for their daily dose of affirmation. 😉

ManicBlue

3/23/23 11:30am

Hey, he could be right-I hear ION is in the bidding.

zia cougar

3/23/23 11:31am

HSN might take them if they sell enough PAC12 bumper stickers

BYUBandfan

3/23/23 4:51pm

Not a fan of piggy. But a run at the playoffs? That's a legit triumvirate. People making fun of that

TFL

3/23/23 11:31am

All I care about is how much national sportswriters and other fanbases seem to enjoy kicking Utah

Indy Coug

3/23/23 11:32am

It's like two guys on twitter. Lol. But in reality, they're mad at Utah for not wanting

TFL

3/23/23 11:34am

RE: It's like two guys on twitter. Lol. But in reality, they're mad at Utah for not wanting

kimdaddy35

3/23/23 11:39am

LOL...now there's some spin

3/23/23 11:59am

I'd guess the University of Utah is most well known for its delusional fans

Belboz

3/23/23 12:16pm

TFL after all that spinning:

Ungoy

3/23/23 12:24pm

Why would anyone want Utah to move to the Big 12 and dilute the conferences brand?

slatecoug

3/23/23 12:26pm

Utah's a great program. Why do you think the 4 corners are mentioned so frequently without any hesitation on Utah?

TFL

3/23/23 12:54pm

Because people like round numbers.

kccougar

3/23/23 1:04pm

and great football

TFL

3/23/23 1:42pm

Great football would be winning an occasional P5 OOC game, at least more than once every 4 to 5 years.

slatecoug

3/23/23 1:46pm

"4 Corners" is a Dennis Dodd marketing creation. Poor history of correctness

Ripliancum

3/23/23 9:00pm

Maybe...but I'll tell you, most B12 homers really want Utah. Dodd included.

TFL

3/24/23 4:31pm

Being a playoff contender doesn't necessarily make people want to watch your games.

jacobugath

3/23/23 11:32am

Yep. People want to see bluebloods. Utah isn't one. They aren't about to

Carnac

3/23/23 11:37am

Utah isn't a blue blood. But to pretend they wouldn't be seen as a potential 12-team playoff contender

TFL

3/23/23 11:50am

But that is not the same thing as long-term enterprise value

Carnac

3/23/23 11:56am

Different argument though. In terms of high profile games with CFP ramifications

TFL

3/23/23 12:29pm

You mean kind of like they have been seen as a playoff contender going into the last 2 seasons?

slatecoug

3/23/23 12:29pm

But that's not the same as talking about the top PAC brands. Different issue.

3/23/23 1:54pm

Utes are over 4 million mark with UW, Oregon (3 times) and USC since 2018.

TFL

3/23/23 11:42am

Any of those with an opponent not a blue blood

NYC and Japan

3/23/23 12:48pm

Irrelevant. The comparison is Utah TV ratings vs. the other 7 schools.

TFL

3/23/23 12:57pm

What kind of audience do the Utes draw when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup?

slatecoug

3/23/23 1:48pm

Depends. 2019 Utah probably would've exceeded 5 million with any P12 opponent.

TFL

3/23/23 3:34pm

No one was following USC at that point. They were just glad Helton was gone.

slatecoug

3/23/23 3:57pm

I am sure all games that are compared were at the same time and channel

Medute

3/23/23 4:12pm

BYU vs USU last year also drew more than BYU vs Arkansas

krindorr

3/23/23 4:38pm

Completely agree. Too many variables. But the core argument is that

TFL

3/23/23 5:06pm

Eh, from a viewership perspective I don't think Utah is in that range

krindorr

3/23/23 5:23pm

Agreed. Oregon in a class by themselves. But OP was mocking the idea

TFL

3/23/23 7:08pm

Until Utah stops performing. Everything reverts to the mean including Utah.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:24pm

According to someone that has much more knowledge than most on here, BYU is in a higher tier than Utah.

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:21pm

Feel free to show any of us one good viewership game when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup for 2022?

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:18pm

Because you're trying the classic BYU example of comparing Utah to blue bloods. Not to its peers. Utah peers

TFL

3/24/23 4:31pm

Utah is not a peer to BYU. Utah would not bring an additional $4 to $5 Mil. for each of their conference mates.

slatecoug

3/25/23 4:00pm

Very well said. And the PAC12 will just get weaker with the new additions.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/25/23 8:06pm

You mean like the one you just cherry picked?

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:11pm

Bro, I love your passion, but submit to you that the viewership numbers are

OldFogey

3/23/23 1:38pm

BINGO! We have a winner.

slatecoug

3/23/23 1:48pm

Nah...the numbers don't bear that out

TFL

3/23/23 1:57pm

So if your assumption is true, its not the other brands pulling numbers its UT

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 2:42pm

It's the game itself. A slight majority of viewers were neither Utah or USC fans. In fact, many were Ohio State

TFL

3/23/23 2:51pm

You don't think Boise St. made the same argument during their run? Same results

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 2:57pm

Yes. Totally. If they rose to a P5 and competed at the top like TCU and Utah have. Yes. But they upgraded to the MWC

TFL

3/23/23 3:15pm

Utah doesn't have the quality of program that can compete at a 10-15 level in a tougher conference.

slatecoug

3/23/23 3:30pm

The eye rolls are from Ute fans. Trolls that live here but don’t care about BYU.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:26pm

Those eye rolls are because it's true and they can't debate it.

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:22pm

According to Altimore, Ohio St. fan base is over 11 Mil strong.

slatecoug

3/23/23 3:13pm

Yep. Exactly. 3 million additional people tuned in to watch a compelling finish with two top 10 teams

TFL

3/23/23 3:44pm

You should just move on

Medute

3/23/23 3:50pm

No it’s not confusion. It’s reality that the PAC was weak and benefited Utah.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:32pm

You're not understanding. They weren't watching U

OldFogey

3/23/23 5:07pm

In a down P12 and weak Gators, the yewts couldn’t win enough games for the CFP

RossoNeri

3/23/23 11:35am

what's the maximum number of losses a CFP team ever had?

3/23/23 11:35am

The PAC 12 run to play offs ends in September most every year. Keep dreaming

3/23/23 11:36am

The PAC12 would've had a playoff team this year, but CW tore his hammy

UberDeek

3/23/23 11:51am

Perhaps. I think the PAC12 needs an undefeated team to reach the playoff. USC might be an exception to that this year

3/23/23 11:59am

Wow. The Ute fan delusions of grandeur are off the charts

Mikey

3/23/23 11:38am

Lol. Just the opposite. Pig's context is future runs at the 12-team playoffs. Are you saying that Utah

TFL

3/23/23 11:45am

PAC Playoff appearances (last 6yrs) - 0. Yewt alltime playoff appearances - 0.

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 11:52am

You've zeroed in on the wrong part of that tweet.

Corn Pop

3/23/23 11:52am

I disagree with Pig. Fox has no need for Pac-12 content. He's naive to think so.

TFL

3/23/23 11:55am

The 12 team playoff is the best argument for

carmelcougar

3/23/23 12:20pm

But only for two years. Nobody should expect the playoff to remain the same. The

Nat Gas Man

3/23/23 12:55pm

Wait, that's a legitimate triumverate? Is this clickbait?

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 11:46am

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TrackCoug

3/23/23 12:01pm

This. I've tried explaining it to TFL ad nauseam. He thinks like Boise St. fans.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 2:47pm

This context isn't about realignment though. It's about tier 1 Pac-12 content. BYU fans are arguing that

TFL

3/23/23 3:07pm

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TrackCoug

3/23/23 3:20pm

The current media deal is based on O and UW signing a 3-4 year GOR. They're not going anywhere this time around

TFL

3/23/23 3:46pm

Are you saying the pac 10's media deal is done?

ManicBlue

3/23/23 4:15pm

Excellent point. You destroyed his argument right there. Which is why he dodged

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:37pm

Not true that Utah has won the PAC 12 2 years in a row.

baldcoug74

3/23/23 12:13pm

Guess what? The MWC champion will likely get in the playoff too

3/23/23 1:00pm

Utah's run at the playoffs

Pro Logic

3/23/23 11:35am

Oh wow. "These three teams all have the ability to make a run at the playoffs."

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 11:36am

Well not really true.

SaltLakeSlick

3/23/23 12:34pm

Huh? No facts to support that. 2x PAC12 champs can't get single digit ranking

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 3:35pm

RE: Huh? No facts to support that. 2x PAC12 champs can't get single digit

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:40pm

I think the right way to phrase it is: "I can't imagine a universe where a

Japan Coug

3/23/23 11:49am

I guess it depends how you are comparing them

Medute

3/23/23 11:58am

Exactly.

TFL

3/23/23 12:11pm

So you are saying Yewtah is the "smartest kid" on the short bus?

zia cougar

3/23/23 12:22pm

But it is the PAC

jetycns

3/23/23 12:26pm

Didn't even the PAC relegate most Utah games to the PAC Network because no major

BYUtka

3/23/23 11:59am

P12 network has minimum game requirements for each school.

TFL

3/23/23 12:14pm

And Utah was well above that minimum, right? They were one of the most

BYUtka

3/23/23 12:16pm

Oregon was on 2x, which must be the minimum??? Utah/UCLA/UW had 4, USC had 3

3/23/23 12:59pm

So... Double the minimum last year.

BYUtka

3/23/23 1:14pm

Based on that argument: USC was 50% more and UCLA was 100% above minimum

3/23/23 1:47pm

I hate to defend Utah but this is a false narrative here, sorry.

3/23/23 12:51pm

What about previous years? Still above the minimum.

BYUtka

3/23/23 1:13pm

4 loss teams are not CFP contenders under the current format.

slatecoug

3/23/23 12:23pm

RE: Get real, Utah

CharlottesvilleCoug

3/23/23 8:42pm

Does pig bus ute

Vegasjohn

3/23/23 8:51pm

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