"4 Corners" is a Dennis Dodd marketing creation. Poor history of correctness

One of those teams is not like the others.

RC-1138

3/23/23 11:27am

Actually two of those teams...

bluelands

3/23/23 11:45am

Two teams in the PAC have made the CFP... Guess which two

UberDeek

3/23/23 11:47am

Washington not only has made the 4 team playoff they are the only one of the 3 with a National championship.

JohnnyComeLately

3/23/23 11:51am

32 years ago

bluelands

3/23/23 11:53am

Yes… when did Utah and Oregon win their last Natty again?

JohnnyComeLately

3/23/23 11:55am

Well, Utah won theirs in 2008

UberDeek

3/23/23 11:58am

RE: Well, Utah won theirs in 2008

BYU Grounds

3/23/23 3:46pm

Oregon is making a run at the CFP almost every season

bluelands

3/23/23 12:00pm

I’m not a Washington fan by any stretch. But Washington and Oregon are talked about as the best of the PAC brands

JohnnyComeLately

3/23/23 12:04pm

You’re not wrong at all, but this is kind of interesting.

Blue Cat

3/23/23 2:03pm

If you go back only 10 or 15 yrs those numbers change pretty significantly though.

ManicBlue

3/23/23 2:09pm

Yewts the 3rd best brand in the PAC — uh, try again.

AZcougLawyer

3/23/23 12:39pm

Without their football success of the past 2 years, yewts would be the worst

AZcougLawyer

3/23/23 1:03pm

You really think

SaltLakeSlick

3/23/23 1:24pm

Wonder whose dup account this was. One day account with 2 total posts. Lame.

ManicBlue

3/23/23 3:25pm

I'll allow it

Great38

3/23/23 3:49pm

Wait, ESPN corner the west coast market? Why does that seem wrong?

fbguru

3/23/23 11:27am

I love that ute fans still come to CB for their daily dose of affirmation. 😉

ManicBlue

3/23/23 11:30am

Hey, he could be right-I hear ION is in the bidding.

zia cougar

3/23/23 11:31am

HSN might take them if they sell enough PAC12 bumper stickers

BYUBandfan

3/23/23 4:51pm

Not a fan of piggy. But a run at the playoffs? That's a legit triumvirate. People making fun of that

TFL

3/23/23 11:31am

All I care about is how much national sportswriters and other fanbases seem to enjoy kicking Utah

Indy Coug

3/23/23 11:32am

It's like two guys on twitter. Lol. But in reality, they're mad at Utah for not wanting

TFL

3/23/23 11:34am

RE: It's like two guys on twitter. Lol. But in reality, they're mad at Utah for not wanting

kimdaddy35

3/23/23 11:39am

LOL...now there's some spin

Ray Shoesmith

3/23/23 11:59am

I'd guess the University of Utah is most well known for its delusional fans

Belboz

3/23/23 12:16pm

TFL after all that spinning:

Ungoy

3/23/23 12:24pm

Why would anyone want Utah to move to the Big 12 and dilute the conferences brand?

slatecoug

3/23/23 12:26pm

Utah's a great program. Why do you think the 4 corners are mentioned so frequently without any hesitation on Utah?

TFL

3/23/23 12:54pm

Because people like round numbers.

kccougar

3/23/23 1:04pm

and great football

TFL

3/23/23 1:42pm

Great football would be winning an occasional P5 OOC game, at least more than once every 4 to 5 years.

slatecoug

3/23/23 1:46pm

"4 Corners" is a Dennis Dodd marketing creation. Poor history of correctness

Ripliancum

3/23/23 9:00pm

Maybe...but I'll tell you, most B12 homers really want Utah. Dodd included.

TFL

3/24/23 4:31pm

Being a playoff contender doesn't necessarily make people want to watch your games.

jacobugath

3/23/23 11:32am

Yep. People want to see bluebloods. Utah isn't one. They aren't about to

Carnac

3/23/23 11:37am

Utah isn't a blue blood. But to pretend they wouldn't be seen as a potential 12-team playoff contender

TFL

3/23/23 11:50am

But that is not the same thing as long-term enterprise value

Carnac

3/23/23 11:56am

Different argument though. In terms of high profile games with CFP ramifications

TFL

3/23/23 12:29pm

You mean kind of like they have been seen as a playoff contender going into the last 2 seasons?

slatecoug

3/23/23 12:29pm

But that's not the same as talking about the top PAC brands. Different issue.

akbarishiwatsu

3/23/23 1:54pm

Utes are over 4 million mark with UW, Oregon (3 times) and USC since 2018.

TFL

3/23/23 11:42am

Any of those with an opponent not a blue blood

NYC and Japan

3/23/23 12:48pm

Irrelevant. The comparison is Utah TV ratings vs. the other 7 schools.

TFL

3/23/23 12:57pm

What kind of audience do the Utes draw when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup?

slatecoug

3/23/23 1:48pm

Depends. 2019 Utah probably would've exceeded 5 million with any P12 opponent.

TFL

3/23/23 3:34pm

No one was following USC at that point. They were just glad Helton was gone.

slatecoug

3/23/23 3:57pm

I am sure all games that are compared were at the same time and channel

Medute

3/23/23 4:12pm

BYU vs USU last year also drew more than BYU vs Arkansas

krindorr

3/23/23 4:38pm

Completely agree. Too many variables. But the core argument is that

TFL

3/23/23 5:06pm

Eh, from a viewership perspective I don't think Utah is in that range

krindorr

3/23/23 5:23pm

Agreed. Oregon in a class by themselves. But OP was mocking the idea

TFL

3/23/23 7:08pm

Until Utah stops performing. Everything reverts to the mean including Utah.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:24pm

According to someone that has much more knowledge than most on here, BYU is in a higher tier than Utah.

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:21pm

Feel free to show any of us one good viewership game when Utah is the biggest name in the matchup for 2022?

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:18pm

Because you're trying the classic BYU example of comparing Utah to blue bloods. Not to its peers. Utah peers

TFL

3/24/23 4:31pm

Utah is not a peer to BYU. Utah would not bring an additional $4 to $5 Mil. for each of their conference mates.

slatecoug

3/25/23 4:00pm

Very well said. And the PAC12 will just get weaker with the new additions.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/25/23 8:06pm

You mean like the one you just cherry picked?

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:11pm

Bro, I love your passion, but submit to you that the viewership numbers are

OldFogey

3/23/23 1:38pm

BINGO! We have a winner.

slatecoug

3/23/23 1:48pm

Nah...the numbers don't bear that out

TFL

3/23/23 1:57pm

So if your assumption is true, its not the other brands pulling numbers its UT

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 2:42pm

It's the game itself. A slight majority of viewers were neither Utah or USC fans. In fact, many were Ohio State

TFL

3/23/23 2:51pm

You don't think Boise St. made the same argument during their run? Same results

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 2:57pm

Yes. Totally. If they rose to a P5 and competed at the top like TCU and Utah have. Yes. But they upgraded to the MWC

TFL

3/23/23 3:15pm

Utah doesn't have the quality of program that can compete at a 10-15 level in a tougher conference.

slatecoug

3/23/23 3:30pm

The eye rolls are from Ute fans. Trolls that live here but don’t care about BYU.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:26pm

Those eye rolls are because it's true and they can't debate it.

slatecoug

3/24/23 4:22pm

According to Altimore, Ohio St. fan base is over 11 Mil strong.

slatecoug

3/23/23 3:13pm

Yep. Exactly. 3 million additional people tuned in to watch a compelling finish with two top 10 teams

TFL

3/23/23 3:44pm

You should just move on

Medute

3/23/23 3:50pm

No it’s not confusion. It’s reality that the PAC was weak and benefited Utah.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:32pm

You're not understanding. They weren't watching U

OldFogey

3/23/23 5:07pm

In a down P12 and weak Gators, the yewts couldn’t win enough games for the CFP

RossoNeri

3/23/23 11:35am

what's the maximum number of losses a CFP team ever had?

hxmCougar2000

3/23/23 11:35am

The PAC 12 run to play offs ends in September most every year. Keep dreaming

jollaksentie

3/23/23 11:36am

The PAC12 would've had a playoff team this year, but CW tore his hammy

UberDeek

3/23/23 11:51am

Perhaps. I think the PAC12 needs an undefeated team to reach the playoff. USC might be an exception to that this year

jollaksentie

3/23/23 11:59am

Wow. The Ute fan delusions of grandeur are off the charts

Mikey

3/23/23 11:38am

Lol. Just the opposite. Pig's context is future runs at the 12-team playoffs. Are you saying that Utah

TFL

3/23/23 11:45am

PAC Playoff appearances (last 6yrs) - 0. Yewt alltime playoff appearances - 0.

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 11:52am

You've zeroed in on the wrong part of that tweet.

Corn Pop

3/23/23 11:52am

I disagree with Pig. Fox has no need for Pac-12 content. He's naive to think so.

TFL

3/23/23 11:55am

The 12 team playoff is the best argument for

carmelcougar

3/23/23 12:20pm

But only for two years. Nobody should expect the playoff to remain the same. The

Nat Gas Man

3/23/23 12:55pm

Wait, that's a legitimate triumverate? Is this clickbait?

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 11:46am

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TrackCoug

3/23/23 12:01pm

This. I've tried explaining it to TFL ad nauseam. He thinks like Boise St. fans.

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 2:47pm

This context isn't about realignment though. It's about tier 1 Pac-12 content. BYU fans are arguing that

TFL

3/23/23 3:07pm

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TrackCoug

3/23/23 3:20pm

The current media deal is based on O and UW signing a 3-4 year GOR. They're not going anywhere this time around

TFL

3/23/23 3:46pm

Are you saying the pac 10's media deal is done?

ManicBlue

3/23/23 4:15pm

Excellent point. You destroyed his argument right there. Which is why he dodged

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:37pm

Not true that Utah has won the PAC 12 2 years in a row.

baldcoug74

3/23/23 12:13pm

Guess what? The MWC champion will likely get in the playoff too

Huge Manatee

3/23/23 1:00pm

Utah's run at the playoffs

Pro Logic

3/23/23 11:35am

Oh wow. "These three teams all have the ability to make a run at the playoffs."

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 11:36am

Well not really true.

SaltLakeSlick

3/23/23 12:34pm

Huh? No facts to support that. 2x PAC12 champs can't get single digit ranking

Brandoblueblood

3/23/23 3:35pm

RE: Huh? No facts to support that. 2x PAC12 champs can't get single digit

Atmospheric_Cougar

3/23/23 10:40pm

I think the right way to phrase it is: "I can't imagine a universe where a

Japan Coug

3/23/23 11:49am

I guess it depends how you are comparing them

Medute

3/23/23 11:58am

Exactly.

TFL

3/23/23 12:11pm

So you are saying Yewtah is the "smartest kid" on the short bus?

zia cougar

3/23/23 12:22pm

But it is the PAC

jetycns

3/23/23 12:26pm

Didn't even the PAC relegate most Utah games to the PAC Network because no major

BYUtka

3/23/23 11:59am

P12 network has minimum game requirements for each school.

TFL

3/23/23 12:14pm

And Utah was well above that minimum, right? They were one of the most

BYUtka

3/23/23 12:16pm

Oregon was on 2x, which must be the minimum??? Utah/UCLA/UW had 4, USC had 3

moknowssports

3/23/23 12:59pm

So... Double the minimum last year.

BYUtka

3/23/23 1:14pm

Based on that argument: USC was 50% more and UCLA was 100% above minimum

moknowssports

3/23/23 1:47pm

I hate to defend Utah but this is a false narrative here, sorry.

moknowssports

3/23/23 12:51pm

What about previous years? Still above the minimum.

BYUtka

3/23/23 1:13pm

4 loss teams are not CFP contenders under the current format.

slatecoug

3/23/23 12:23pm

RE: Get real, Utah

CharlottesvilleCoug

3/23/23 8:42pm

Does pig bus ute

Vegasjohn

3/23/23 8:51pm

Posting on CougarBoard