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May 16, 2018
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hms_ben
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I feel as though the BYU to P5 ship has sailed for good.
LifelongAP
5/16/18 1:30pm
It might be that the current model changes in the future
Nat Gas Man
5/16/18 1:34pm
Things change and change quickly
kimdaddy35
5/16/18 1:35pm
The political landscape and perception of the church isn't changing anytime soon
franklyvulgar
5/16/18 1:42pm
Not sure I agree... while it may seem like that will be the case
kimdaddy35
5/16/18 1:48pm
Lots? An example?
Cougtruth
5/16/18 2:29pm
President Hinckley on 60 mins
kimdaddy35
5/16/18 2:39pm
True but the world and the LDS church have separated significantly more since
Yunit
5/17/18 7:52am
the church gave up all it's good will it had with Prop 8.
coolblue
5/17/18 10:58am
Church can do everything right but still won’t change certain groups views of us.
SlantRoute
5/17/18 9:11am
“Everything right” What does that mean?
Cougtruth
5/17/18 11:20am
I mean even if they do and say the right things
SlantRoute
5/17/18 6:19pm
Agreed. I really, REALLY doubt that any P5 commissioner has the guts to stand
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 2:13pm
Is that like saying the SEC, etc. eventually didn’t have the guts to stand
Cougtruth
5/16/18 2:35pm
This is different
Pretorian
5/17/18 5:43am
Not really. . .
Demosthenes Red
5/17/18 9:25am
You realize that there are gay people on this board ya?
Michigan
5/16/18 3:11pm
yeah but are they pro-gay
rcbyufan
5/16/18 3:14pm
Me
Michigan
5/16/18 3:16pm
RE: Me
rcbyufan
5/16/18 3:23pm
There is a difference between wanting LGBT protections (actually very much
TailgateU
5/16/18 3:26pm
Yep. You nailed it.
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 7:00pm
Wouldn’t you say that gays not being able to marry is being treated unfairly?
SlantRoute
5/17/18 9:13am
It really depends on how you view marriage. If marriage is a social agreement for two people to share a life (legally
SpecialT
5/17/18 9:56am
I guess non religious people shouldn’t get married then?
Michigan
5/17/18 11:27am
The point I see is are we talking about awarding lgbt with all the benefits that
Pretorian
5/17/18 12:21pm
Yes, we’re simply talking legal recognition of companionship trough marriage
SlantRoute
5/18/18 12:20pm
No, I'm saying we need to define marriage as a society and make decisions based on that definition. I think marriage and
SpecialT
5/17/18 12:25pm
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Cougtruth
5/17/18 11:02am
There's lots of things legal in all 50 states that aren't ok at BYU.
rcbyufan
5/17/18 11:07am
RE: Same sex marriage is legal in all 50 states. Is it OK at BYU?
Cougtruth
5/17/18 11:11am
That would not be acceptable. Men in cargo shorts would descend on that campus
rcbyufan
5/17/18 11:25am
I don't think he is criticizing gays but he is
Idahofallsblue
5/16/18 3:27pm
Yep, you got it, too.
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 7:00pm
What is the unfair characterization of BYU?
Cougtruth
5/17/18 11:22am
Do you think BYU shld be excluded from P5 based on their stance on homosexualit
Iman23
5/16/18 3:32pm
Absoutely not. Question: Do you think the pro-gay crowd (and when I say...
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 7:08pm
So, to be clear. Someone who identifies as gay can enroll at BYU as long
Cougtruth
5/17/18 10:54am
^^^ding ding ding, we have a winner^^^
zerome4sooners
5/17/18 5:12am
It sailed back in 2011 I never took the recent chatter seriously
franklyvulgar
5/16/18 1:41pm
One thing that won't change: the social issues moving farther and farther
Dangerous
5/16/18 1:41pm
Yep that’s going to be the biggest risk to byu sports in the future imo
cougfanz
5/16/18 2:01pm
Another big risk is the health and concussion issues....the church could end it
Nat Gas Man
5/16/18 2:12pm
Disagree. Sure football is a risk, but so is crossing the street. Lot to be
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 2:14pm
Except that crossing the street is necessary. Catching a leather ball is not.
Traveshamockery
5/16/18 9:14pm
I think some already are not scheduling us, we just get a different excuse
Iman23
5/16/18 4:49pm
We still have stand alone value more than half the P5 schools. There is that
jrifkin48
5/16/18 2:15pm
Damaged goods.
yorksama
5/16/18 2:22pm
It has sailed. If anything I only see contraction in the future.
mudpupper
5/16/18 2:40pm
The uncertainty that you mention may be the thing that changes in our favor.
TailgateU
5/16/18 3:10pm
My sure to be controversial take is that the church may eventually move into the
Roko's Basilisk
5/16/18 3:31pm
I think on this one you might be wrong. The church has been too definitive to
Idahofallsblue
5/16/18 3:37pm
I remember two issues where the culture was committed to one
Archaea
5/16/18 5:29pm
If you review the history of social involvement and social issues
Archaea
5/16/18 5:27pm
The church would close down temples before that would happen.
Wear Blue
5/16/18 7:40pm
I have a different take: It doesn't matter to me
DazeofBlue
5/17/18 4:58pm
No way. LGBTQ and eternal families are not compatible..
idcougarfan
5/16/18 5:42pm
Under current understanding, but there is a lot more to understand.
Archaea
5/16/18 5:48pm
it takes a man and a woman to procreate. There is no way the church will
idcougarfan
5/16/18 8:35pm
I am not wise enough to know the entirety of the eternities
Archaea
5/17/18 10:03am
Yep.
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 7:17pm
The LDS church accept gay temple marriage? Just who do u think runs the church?
BleedCougarBlue2
5/16/18 7:16pm
Um. Have you read the proclamation on the family?
Orem58thBall
5/16/18 9:25pm
Nobody knows the future. My only point is that we have a history of culture
Roko's Basilisk
5/16/18 9:56pm
Thank you for this post ⬆️
Michigan
5/16/18 10:47pm
This statement from then-Elder Oaks seems unambiguous (oct 2017)
HRCougar
5/16/18 11:45pm
Roko has a point - there also wasn't "wiggle room" with a lot of the statements
jaba166
5/17/18 3:37am
Huge, huge difference between Brigham Young’s statements
HRCougar
5/17/18 5:51am
The difference is that it was a small church then vs a large beurocracy now
jrj84105
5/17/18 8:41am
True.
Archaea
5/17/18 10:09am
Not sure I agree with that much
HRCougar
5/17/18 10:29am
Unbelievable. I'm amazed at the number high-minded Saints who point their noses
Ash
5/17/18 12:57pm
Overheated rhetoric like this makes it hard to have productive discussions.
Roko's Basilisk
5/17/18 1:41pm
It's not overheated. It's a poignant observation. I completely agree with you
Ash
5/17/18 1:55pm
I think our disagreement is around the authority and staying power of the
Roko's Basilisk
5/17/18 2:54pm
I do find the change in wording to be interesting.
Idahofallsblue
5/17/18 4:53pm
Inference is a VERY powerful force in the church culture, involving anything
jaba166
5/17/18 11:00pm
“Assault” lol
Michigan
5/17/18 5:25pm
Now there's a thought that may deserve contemplation.
jaba166
5/17/18 10:54pm
What's your take on the Ten Suggestions?
CougarThug
5/16/18 10:51pm
Your take is definitely in the minority my brother. But please, don't base your
CObluezone
5/17/18 5:03am
The best thing to do is to remember the core belief of I am a son of God and any situation that gets between you and bec
nybyblue
5/17/18 5:42am
Let's play your game out
jollaksentie
5/17/18 6:26am
That is the day I will no longer believe in the church. The family unit is too
coolblue
5/17/18 6:38am
Lots of people have left, and will continue to leave, when the church makes -
Demosthenes Red
5/17/18 9:48am
Good point other than if a "continuing revelation" came that was contrary to
coolblue
5/17/18 11:17am
I think continuing revelation IS one of the core tenants of Mormonism. It's one of the Articles of Faith.
mvtoro
5/17/18 5:48pm
Coolblue, I appreciate your perspective, brother. Thanks for sharing.
Demosthenes Red
5/17/18 10:12pm
Sounds like your faith isn’t in the savior
Michigan
5/17/18 11:24am
That is a really stupid comment. I would still have faith in Christ. It's
coolblue
5/17/18 2:10pm
Sounds like you don’t have faith in the brethren then
Michigan
5/17/18 5:25pm
Well, in fairness, if it ever did happen you would need to get your own witness
Ash
5/17/18 12:59pm
Holding dear to false doctrines is where most of the world is today.
coolblue
5/17/18 2:15pm
The most basic fundamental core doctrine of eternal increase is agency, the
jaba166
5/17/18 11:23pm
Unbelievable, the number of high minded saints who would question the wisdom
jrj84105
5/18/18 4:51am
Because the brethren have never been off base before. For a
Michigan
5/18/18 9:15am
It’s true. We like to picture the brethren of the past and present as superheros
LifelongAP
5/18/18 4:17pm
Like arguing with my 10 year old. There's a semblance of truth yet the analogies
Ash
5/18/18 9:47am
"move into the mainstream" may be too strong
teancum
5/17/18 9:42am
Congrats, it only took 6 years to understand that BOT/AD screwed up in 2012.
blackshirts
5/16/18 3:37pm
I sometimes wonder if you're right.
Idahofallsblue
5/16/18 3:46pm
You're absolutely right
reddead
5/16/18 4:00pm
And the thought of all that makes me want to vomit
Idahofallsblue
5/16/18 4:14pm
I think this is exactly what happened.
Kingfisher
5/16/18 9:01pm
I think the BOT was confused. In 2010 they approved going independent and joining the WCC. They were sold that this was
SpiffCoug
5/16/18 10:02pm
I actually don't think it was the BOT...I think BYU screwed up after the MWC
Nat Gas Man
5/16/18 10:09pm
What smoke was there in 2010?
LifelongAP
5/17/18 12:19am
It's gone
Countcougula
5/16/18 3:44pm
The NCAA as it once was has sailed. It is becoming more political.
Refugee
5/16/18 4:14pm
I feel like this could all be beneficial to BYU.
Oranje
5/16/18 7:48pm
Winning fixes everything
Pretorian
5/16/18 8:32pm
^^This^^
Oranje
5/16/18 8:36pm
Kinda sad but USU will be P5 before US
CougarWildcat
5/16/18 9:56pm
Don't Worry
hms_ben
5/16/18 10:50pm
When the MWC gets elevated to Power Conference status.
Big Time 55
5/17/18 6:15am
exactly, and that happens right after the Browns have the MVP QB
Pretorian
5/17/18 8:27am
In the Celestial Kingdom, BYU-H will be a P5.
Cougtruth
5/17/18 11:36am
Cue the applause in Ogden.
CougarThug
5/16/18 10:59pm
As the population of Utah explodes
CougarWildcat
5/17/18 1:22pm
I believe that you are correct.
hms_ben
5/16/18 10:49pm
Where've you been?
Y4LYFE
5/17/18 8:22am
I believe if they were going to be in, they’d already be in
SlantRoute
5/17/18 9:10am
I thought that when the Big 12 decided not to expand
AxelDC
5/17/18 11:21am
Has somebody already said, “The situation is fluid.”?
UNHuskerCoug
5/17/18 11:36am
Like glass
AxelDC
5/17/18 12:35pm
I think it is likely that BYU makes it into the P5 ...
Rize Alloyal
5/17/18 11:51am
TCU ended up in the Big 12
AxelDC
5/17/18 12:37pm
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