We are not getting the players to compete with our

Jul 18, 2018
7:25:43pm

johnnycarson All-American

Schedule.

If we were in a g5 the p5 losses at the first of the year would not matter.

In 2020 we are absolutely taking a knife to a gunfight.

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Jake Trotter of ESPN was on 1280

TNT

7/18/18 5:39pm

Imo the only future byu football has is if the church

johnnycarson

7/18/18 5:42pm

TNT believes that ship has sailed

TNT

7/18/18 5:43pm

October 28, 2011, The day the B12 picked WV over BYU! The one chance at P5.

blackshirts

7/18/18 9:34pm

LOL. G5 has no place in football playoffs, but boy, BYU sure needs to rush and join one of those lame duck conferences!

LiveCoug

7/18/18 5:42pm

Because indy is killing the program.

johnnycarson

7/18/18 5:44pm

No it's not. Losing and bad coaching is killing the program- not independence

CougarBacker

7/18/18 6:24pm

We are not getting the players to compete with our

johnnycarson

7/18/18 7:25pm

LOL at people who think BYU will get better talent in a TCU and Utah less MWC

CougarBacker

7/18/18 7:38pm

We will get about what we are now... 70 or 80.

johnnycarson

7/18/18 7:41pm

If that's our option than I vote shut it down. I have no interest in supporting

CougarBacker

7/18/18 8:32pm

Slow death...ha ha that is rich. What conferences did BYU compete in, dominate,

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 7:25am

LOL dude! I'm 44 years old. I remember very well how BYU became BYU

CougarBacker

7/19/18 12:36pm

Is it worth it to play for absolutely nothing right now?

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 7:41am

RE: Is it worth it to play for absolutely nothing right now?

CougarBacker

7/20/18 9:42am

The classic GIF response, must have struck a chord. No worries, I get it.

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 12:42pm

You're not very good at being right about things

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:09pm

Thank you.

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 1:35pm

You're welcome

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:49pm

What makes you think last years team would have performed any better in the MWC? We would have still missed a bowl

YIsForBrigham

7/18/18 9:06pm

Fine. But most years would be more interesting.

johnnycarson

7/18/18 10:42pm

And what would the same team in the MWC have to play for? We lose 1 or 2 games

SUAVO

7/18/18 11:16pm

It’s the exact same floor in the MWC with a much lower ceiling and a boring route to get there

YIsForBrigham

7/18/18 11:25pm

Bravo

BYUButters

7/19/18 2:22pm

Agree! The fact 2017 was the first year of all Indy recruits and 2018 class

blackshirts

7/18/18 9:54pm

He said that he believes

TNT

7/18/18 5:44pm

G5=INDY=G5, it's all non-P5! It's all the future D2 football. The P4 will

blackshirts

7/18/18 9:44pm

I’d say the same for INDY! It is the same, non-P5

blackshirts

7/20/18 10:51am

RE: Jake Trotter of ESPN was on 1280

Countcougula

7/18/18 5:44pm

Hey don't hurt the messenger

TNT

7/18/18 5:45pm

If BYU went 12-0 in one of the future schedules I believe there’s a great chance at CFP. Not saying it will happen but I

SouthernBlueBlood

7/18/18 5:52pm

That's what the system wants you to believe. They are grateful

TNT

7/18/18 5:53pm

Why does TNT suddenly feel like Morpheus?

TNT

7/18/18 5:53pm

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kcca

7/18/18 5:57pm

We have 80th best talent. I suppose if I shot a - 15

johnnycarson

7/18/18 5:54pm

I don’t think we’re running the table with those schedules but I think if we did

SouthernBlueBlood

7/18/18 5:58pm

If you are undefeated with a top 30 SOS, pretty hard to keep you out

Dr T-bone

7/18/18 6:35pm

It wouldn't happen. Conferences would panic and throw a fit because of how much

BlueForLife

7/18/18 8:56pm

I actually agree. BYU still has a brand that makes people all over the country curious when things are going well.

Refugee

7/18/18 9:03pm

No way!!! just like UCF. Plus a two loss Ohio st, Alabama, would get in first.

blackshirts

7/18/18 9:59pm

Two loss Alabama, Ohio St yes I could see that but there’s a good chance out of four other possible teams if this dream

SouthernBlueBlood

7/19/18 4:16am

I'll worry about being included in the Playoff

2FarGone

7/18/18 6:00pm

We worry so much about something we'll never be qualified for.

mudpupper

7/18/18 6:15pm

This should be surprising to no one.

Junior Deputy

7/18/18 6:27pm

BYU has no future as a G% either. So what do you propose?

CougarBacker

7/18/18 6:34pm

BYU’s only chance is the AAC... join it and hope it gets elevated to P5

Coug

7/18/18 7:04pm

This may be true. Gotta wait for next round of conference shuffling to be sure.

TayPower

7/19/18 11:18am

Duh

Coogar2

7/18/18 7:21pm

I think it’s possible to make the playoff but it would take

D.T. Survivor

7/18/18 7:37pm

This is what Bronco said

TNT

7/18/18 7:53pm

I’m torn because I think an 8 team playoff would be better. But I’m worried that will inevitably include an auto bid for

YIsForBrigham

7/18/18 9:05pm

Wrong. BYU in an undefeated with current schedule gets in

CableGuy

7/18/18 11:42pm

Facts are facts. You can bash G5 all you want, but sometimes you have to take a

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 7:32am

Your answer is BYU

2FarGone

7/19/18 8:53am

No, BYU is also not a flash in the pan. We are mediocre at best since Indy.

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 9:02am

UCF isn't more attractive. BYU's 1 crappy year and UCF's one great year doesn't

SUAVO

7/19/18 9:22am

I respectfully disagree. This isn't about just last year, specifically for BYU.

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 10:23am

BYU can bring in more money and has more fans around the country

SUAVO

7/19/18 11:35am

Nobody cares about history 30+ years ago.

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 11:50am

^^^ TRUTH!

Coug

7/19/18 11:56am

Conferences care and even underperforming the last decade isn't as bad as

SUAVO

7/19/18 12:03pm

Where outside Utah have you been living btw

CLCougar

7/19/18 12:07pm

GA and TX

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 12:12pm

Fans don't care, but the people who make the decisions do

CougarBacker

7/19/18 12:39pm

No, you are wrong. Only fans care about 30+ years ago, decision makers don't.

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 7:41am

Nope you're absolutely wrong about that. Sorry bud

CougarBacker

7/20/18 9:43am

RE: I respectfully disagree. This isn't about just last year, specifically for BYU.

2FarGone

7/19/18 11:54am

RE: I respectfully disagree. This isn't about just last year, specifically for

TheLoneCougar

7/19/18 11:59am

What have we done in the last 10 years? 15 years?

Coug

7/19/18 12:06pm

You are agreeing with a logical fallacy

2FarGone

7/19/18 12:42pm

That was clearly not the case in 2011

Coug

7/19/18 1:31pm

I think you are confusing correlation with causation. Sometimes

SUAVO

7/19/18 5:12pm

And you are seeing what the BIG10 did and equating that with every other P5.

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 7:49am

BYU's issues have zero to do with Indy and everything to do with injuries to key

CougarBacker

7/19/18 12:38pm

Please read more carefully:

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 7:46am

I did read it and you're wrong

CougarBacker

7/20/18 9:43am

After September, nobody cares what BYU does because conference play is in full swing...

Coug

7/20/18 10:05am

LOL and if BYU was in the MWC, nobody would care about them before September

CougarBacker

7/20/18 11:59am

And that's why BYU needs to join the AAC.

Coug

7/20/18 12:45pm

I might be convinced on the AAC thing depending on TV contracts

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:11pm

When BYU was in its height...remind me what conferences we played in?

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 12:48pm

For some reason you think that the old MWC/WAC and the CFB landscape is the same

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:13pm

No it really hasn't changed much at all.

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 1:41pm

LOL you can't be serious right? Please tell me you're not serious? I really

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:50pm

This is like the 5th time you've said I am wrong at something without

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 9:19pm

LOL you have not provided a single fact. Perhaps you should look up that word

CougarBacker

7/20/18 11:57pm

Feel free to elaborate. How can I be wrong when we both agree?

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 12:44pm

I don't think Indy is the leading cause of the problem. I think the leading

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:14pm

All of which happen to every school, every year.

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 1:46pm

Exactly! That's why it has zero to do with Indy and everything to do with us.

CougarBacker

7/20/18 1:53pm

How is this your point. Once again I don't think you understand what I am saying

TheLoneCougar

7/20/18 9:26pm

I told you several posts ago, this is a pointless conversation. I want BYU to

CougarBacker

7/21/18 12:00am

Just like they competed last year? Just like they will compete this year?

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 8:04am

Like I said, luckily BYU admin isn't in the business of quitting like some of

CougarBacker

7/23/18 10:43am

Hypothetical here:

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 11:57am

LOL at people who think going back to the MWC magically changes our results

CougarBacker

7/23/18 12:30pm

Once again, you prove you cannot read and comprehend what I have said.

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 12:50pm

LOL at you saying I don't read and comprehend, but then follow it up with

CougarBacker

7/23/18 1:31pm

I own a business, and no I wouldn't do that with business.

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 2:09pm

I don't believe you but if you do actually own a business, you would have to be

CougarBacker

7/23/18 2:18pm

As an owner, I don't placate to a few whiny customers.

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 2:54pm

The question you're asking is a red herring and irrelevant in this discussion

CougarBacker

7/23/18 3:18pm

Your point has one falacy. BYU has decades of G5 "conference success".

BYUButters

7/23/18 12:08pm

Didn't help last time?

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 12:48pm

And your point is irrelevant because that was a different landscape at the time

CougarBacker

7/23/18 1:35pm

I wasn't talking to you. I don't need to address your issues anymore. You

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 1:59pm

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CougarBacker

7/23/18 2:02pm

RE: I wasn't talking to you. I don't need to address your issues anymore. You

CougarBacker

7/23/18 2:03pm

Because he's one of these fans that wants to shy away from competition in the

CougarBacker

7/23/18 1:34pm

I'm a realistic fan that says we are a ~60 recruiting class, regardless of what

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 2:05pm

The problem is your "proof" is not proof, it's conjecture. You know the

CougarBacker

7/23/18 2:20pm

My proof is proof, which I said I would show if you'd like.

TheLoneCougar

7/23/18 2:58pm

None of those things are "proof" that Indy is the cause of it. It's conjecture

CougarBacker

7/23/18 3:19pm

PS- Being a realistic fan has nothing to do with it. Your realism sounds a lot

CougarBacker

7/23/18 2:21pm

UCF will never get in; here's why....

BYU Grounds

7/19/18 12:44pm

RE: Jake Trotter of ESPN was on 1280

CLCougar

7/19/18 8:39am

Sad, but nothing we didn't really already know/assume

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