It's so true that people are individuals, not groups

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Jan 24, 2019
3:02:17pm

Jay Rick All-American

It's so true that people are individuals, not groups

so why then can't a woman be ward finance clerk? If she's the individual most qualified and capable, why not?

Answer: Because she's not being judged as an individual - she's assigned a group (female) and then categorically excluded from the calling.

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Jay Rick

Previous username: jayriggity
Bio page: Jay Rick
Joined: Feb 10, 2013
Last login: May 2, 2024
Total posts: 28,111 (4,832 FO)

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If Kate Kelly bugs you don't click, I just find her somewhat entertaining.

1/23/19 4:07pm

So singles wards could be considered death camps?

rcbyufan

1/23/19 4:09pm

I'm really confused by this.

Eddie

1/23/19 4:10pm

She just wants to be seen. She doesn’t mean any of it.

shimmy

1/23/19 4:16pm

Meat Dagger?

1/23/19 4:21pm

She’s an embarrassment in about 10 different ways including to lawyers, Women, Mormons, and ExMormons

TEXAS

1/23/19 4:11pm

Well the dude is from Colorado so . . .

Mrs Featerbottom

1/23/19 4:11pm

hahahhaha. he was caught in provo. he's not from utah.

riboflavin

1/23/19 4:15pm

Does Twitter hold contests to see who can tweet the stupidest things? Do they judge it by retweets or comments?

John Doe

1/23/19 4:27pm

the "ratio" is the best indicator. if it has very few retweets and likes in

riboflavin

1/23/19 4:31pm

So if they 'ratio' at about 1:1 they win the Twitterverse?

John Doe

1/23/19 4:34pm

She blocked me? Wow. Didn’t even notice.

1/23/19 4:34pm

She is a real freak!

BYU4eVeR

1/23/19 4:41pm

Katie and I were close friends at BYU.

lilpenny

1/23/19 4:45pm

I'm sure she's a nice person. I'll continue to mock her online persona.

Cougarrr

1/23/19 4:53pm

good perspective for those of us with our pitchforks out.

riboflavin

1/23/19 5:04pm

What if we don’t have “our pitchforks out”...

CoachSpeak

1/23/19 5:08pm

I do usually. It’s okay if you don’t.

riboflavin

1/23/19 9:01pm

I get it...

CoachSpeak

1/24/19 8:39am

Her mom is Donna Kelly? I never made that connection. Yikes.

byubyu

1/23/19 5:08pm

Yes

El Careeb

1/23/19 5:22pm

She may have been a wonderful person back then, but now she is a piece of crap.

BE-WHY-YOU

1/23/19 5:12pm

“It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you.” Batman

UNLVcougar

1/23/19 5:14pm

Hate is hate. Her anger is not understandable.

Boanerges

1/23/19 5:16pm

thanks for defending the woman who just implied most Utah men want to kill women

Cougarclaw

1/23/19 5:22pm

It's unfortunate if this is an online persona.

Eddie

1/23/19 5:33pm

I agree with that.

lilpenny

1/23/19 6:49pm

She's like Ann Coulter... if Ann Coulter couldn't afford to buy herself a laptop

AZ Coug

1/23/19 9:53pm

Well then, she went from wanting to influence change to wanting attention.

Eddie

1/24/19 8:10am

This is an interesting point, and not just for

Jay Rick

1/24/19 9:16am

This poor gal is truly horrendous.

shammy

1/23/19 5:43pm

It's sad that they never can remain in that everyone's advocate......

mokelembembe

1/23/19 6:46pm

I hesitate to think of women’s equality as “out there.”

Jay Rick

1/23/19 8:02pm

They don’t have “the same rights as men”?

CoachSpeak

1/23/19 8:47pm

In the church? No. Obviously not. OW is church focused.

Jay Rick

1/23/19 9:13pm

Since when is doing a calling a "right"? It's a job, plain and simple.

Richbyu

1/24/19 2:40pm

RE: Since when is doing a calling a "right"? It's a job, plain and simple.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 2:42pm

I'm sure you think the "inequality" is based on the gender roles...

CoachSpeak

1/24/19 2:50pm

Some people oddly assign "prestige" to a calling

Richbyu

1/24/19 2:56pm

It's so true that people are individuals, not groups

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:02pm

Why can't a man be a Primary President?

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:09pm

Why can't a man be primary president?

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:13pm

"A man decided he can't."

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:15pm

RE: "A man decided he can't."

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:23pm

Not to side track but it is more prestigious to be Bishop.

Baron

1/24/19 3:16pm

Why?

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:17pm

Because he's in charge and gets to make the decisions.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:18pm

Sounds very "big deal'ish".

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:20pm

Really?

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:22pm

Prestige only exists if you think it exists.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:28pm

The fact that you don't care doesn't make it not prestigious.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:31pm

That’s a silly argument. If that were true each calling would go through the same scrutiny. Call me when a Primary

Baron

1/24/19 3:32pm

I repeat. Prestige only exists if you think it does.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:35pm

Some callings are more important and more prestigious. It is a fact.

Baron

1/24/19 3:37pm

Interesting. What if the gender restrictions were there to teach us that we

rcbyufan

1/24/19 3:44pm

What if gender restrictions are to teach us that being more prestigious doesn’t matter when serving the Lord.

Baron

1/24/19 3:52pm

Indeed.

rcbyufan

1/24/19 3:59pm

If it's a fact, prove it.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:47pm

Not individuals. Callings that are filled by people.

Baron

1/24/19 3:51pm

Just is. He is prayed for more, talked about more, does more, have responsibility, more sacrifices, holds keys, judges

Baron

1/24/19 3:23pm

And prestige is really only a small part of it. It's the authority that matters

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:26pm

Agree to Disagree.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:30pm

People are individuals and not groups?? Are you familiar with a pre-1978 temple

1/27/19 3:09pm

Yes. It's an obsolete policy---ended 40 years ago.

Richbyu

1/28/19 11:24am

The modern church... which still bans women, as a group, not as individuals

Jay Rick

1/28/19 12:47pm

As discussed, it also bans men from serving in a lot of callings.

Richbyu

1/28/19 12:53pm

Yes, men have banned themselves from those callings.

Jay Rick

1/28/19 12:59pm

Well if by "men" you mean "God"...

CoachSpeak

1/28/19 1:09pm

Yes, that’s sort of been my point throughout this whole discussion.

Jay Rick

1/28/19 1:37pm

Well authority is interesting in a situation like this...

CoachSpeak

1/28/19 5:03pm

Definitely. I like that insight.

Jay Rick

1/28/19 5:28pm

See I don't like the "banned" description....

CoachSpeak

1/28/19 1:06pm

Sure. I was just using the term commonly used to describe the race-based

Jay Rick

1/28/19 1:30pm

Not really

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:04pm

Wrong. Women DO preside over men.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:11pm

And who did that primary president answer to?

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:15pm

Dude, we all answer to a Male.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:18pm

RE: Dude, we all answer to a Male.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:21pm

I think you are going to continue to be frustrated by the structure, then.

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:33pm

Now we're sorta on the same page.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:43pm

Guess I'm not fulfilling my role as a male, then, since I don't have power

panguitch

1/24/19 7:14pm

I don't have power but I do have stewardship.

John Doe

1/24/19 7:39pm

I get that. Language often gets in the way.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 9:09pm

It's not about prestige. It's about structure.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:16pm

There are lots of "blessings" not everyone gets to experience.

Richbyu

1/24/19 2:52pm

I don't disagree.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:00pm

Men and Women are both categorically excluded from certain

Richbyu

1/24/19 3:07pm

You guys are missing the point. Kate Kelly is the worst

TEXAS

1/24/19 3:15pm

I'll still stand behind that.

Jay Rick

1/24/19 3:16pm

Her mom is not a very good attorney and is a wacko.

YSMACK

1/23/19 8:32pm

Hahaha she has 6,500 followers that’s cute

cougarnerd

1/23/19 4:57pm

Looks like she realized how dumb show looked and deleted her tweet.

Richbyu

1/23/19 5:31pm

RE: Looks like she realized how dumb show looked and deleted her tweet.

TEXAS

1/23/19 5:47pm

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