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Jul 27, 2021
10:46:25am

DirtyWater Intervention Needed

People respond in large part to their available alternatives. When everyone

acknowledges you are already the GOAT and you are declared a winner for just getting on the plane, the incentives to push through can be much different.

There needs to be a balance between confidence and hunger.

Some of the best always feel on the precipice of failure. See Tom Brady.

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DirtyWater

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I think the Simone Biles thing is a big deal.

Memmo

7/27/21 10:33am

Given that she's competed for years and years at the highest levels and excelled like no other, I'm not

Indy Coug

7/27/21 10:34am

Agreed. She’s earned that. But I still think the fact she pulled out

Memmo

7/27/21 10:37am

Sure seems like quitting to me. A "mental health day?" I can't imagine athletes

UNLVcougar

7/27/21 10:35am

Tell me you're old without telling me you're old

Alpi Gusto

7/27/21 10:36am

Not like you have to go that far back. How many Olympic athletes in the past

UNLVcougar

7/27/21 10:38am

This can be a response to everyone who responded to me

Alpi Gusto

7/27/21 3:00pm

Jordan quit to play baseball

Mabuhay Coug

7/27/21 6:56pm

Agree 100%

Alpi Gusto

7/27/21 8:52pm

He quit after NBA finals too. Jordan would never quit during a game.

Shore10

7/28/21 6:39am

He would have had he felt injured

Mabuhay Coug

7/28/21 10:31am

Agreed. They shouldn't be calling this an emotional issue. It's physiological.

Shore10

7/28/21 3:08pm

He's not wrong.

7/27/21 10:44am

Then he's not right either

7/27/21 11:50am

Wut? Logic fail.

7/27/21 12:41pm

If you can claim he's not wrong, based on nothing, then you can't claim he's

7/27/21 1:49pm

Yes you can. It's paradoxical---may not get you...

IAmACougarManSir....

7/27/21 2:04pm

Are you 12?

7/27/21 2:15pm

Wut? Difference does it make. Beep bop beep bop...

IAmACougarManSir....

7/27/21 2:27pm

Tell me you're soft without telling me you're soft.

Ozymandias

7/27/21 10:49am

Quitting is more acceptable in society

cougfanz

7/27/21 11:08am

She had 5 years to be mentality prepared for this moment.

panacablue

7/27/21 11:34am

You have no clue what could possibly be going on with her. Let it go!

Kilgruman

7/27/21 2:18pm

I never had it so how can I let it go?

panacablue

7/27/21 2:44pm

Athletes of the past are getting their records crushed by these kids.

Corn

7/27/21 12:54pm

The athletes today are crushing records with better equipment, better training, better nutrition...

Coug

7/27/21 2:03pm

You don't think technology has aided these kids now?

Shore10

7/28/21 6:41am

She has more mental toughness is her left pinky than everyone on this board!

U2wearblue

7/27/21 1:35pm

She’s more physically gifted than anyone on this board, but more mentally tough?

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

7/27/21 1:57pm

You think she got to where she’s at on pure talent??? Lol!

U2wearblue

7/27/21 2:44pm

Well I gotta admit it, you make a very good point….

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

7/27/21 3:09pm

You can be tremendously talented at something with absolutely otherworldly

GeorgeAlbertsgoatie

7/27/21 2:04pm

Using hyperbole is fun

Big Daddy D

7/27/21 8:32pm

She’s been competing at the highest levels since she was like 14.

Metallicat

7/27/21 4:12pm

Maybe social media has created much higher expectations for her

7/27/21 10:35am

Social media is super rough on them. They are always connected, so don't have down time from typical drama.

7/27/21 10:37am

Think world class athletes need to understand that disconnecting is part of their training.

Soupie

7/27/21 10:40am

It's not just athletes. It's a whole generation raised addicted to social media.

ochobeeguy

7/27/21 2:30pm

Social media is painful but these athletes love to use platform when it benefits

Taccoug

7/27/21 10:49am

Well, this will cost her post-Olympics since the team took Silver, and were heavy favorites with her.

7/27/21 10:52am

It’smore complex than that. There is a sense of obligation to be on social media

kotacoug

7/27/21 10:55am

Exactly. Just don’t do it if You don’t need the money.

cougfanz

7/27/21 11:03am

I see this becoming much worse moving forward with NIL. High school athletes

palangi

7/27/21 12:10pm

To pull out of a team event is pretty weak. She is 24 years old

Taccoug

7/27/21 10:45am

Feel the worst for teammates she bailed on. That’s the responsibility of team sports.

Soupie

7/27/21 10:53am

Come on… you’re better than that. What happened to treating mental health the

kotacoug

7/27/21 10:57am

I agree w/ CFB here. I’m torn but mental health issues should always include prevention strategies. If her

Soupie

7/27/21 11:01am

Well did you see that Russian guy with torn achilles?

Memmo

7/27/21 11:05am

How about this guy?

ruprecht1965

7/27/21 1:43pm

The problem is that she appeared to know this during the qualifications

EQD2

7/27/21 11:14am

Nah, we would expect them to suck it up and land the vault

ABCoug

7/27/21 11:33am

The thing that you missing is there was a girl that worked really hard as well

RealMadridCougar

7/27/21 12:11pm

Why take alternates if you can’t sub them in last minute for injury?

StalwartBraveTrue

7/27/21 12:14pm

An alternate got Covid.

Soupie

7/27/21 12:42pm

There was more than one alternate but I don't think you can for medal rounds

RealMadridCougar

7/27/21 12:53pm

Did she let them down, or would sticking around have meant a bronze or worse

BGRTHNUMEGO

7/27/21 10:58am

Under-appreciated point you’re making. Perhaps she knew her mental state would

StalwartBraveTrue

7/27/21 12:15pm

Wonder if in years past athletes would have just faked a physical injury, but

Jay Kay

7/27/21 10:45am

I'm torn regarding what to think about this. Part of me is annoyed with her decision...

cougfanblue

7/27/21 10:45am

But is the crisis being perpetuated by the environment that is saying it's

UNLVcougar

7/27/21 10:54am

Exactly.

cougfanz

7/27/21 11:06am

Definitely could be. I'm just suggesting we look at this beyond just saying Simone Biles is "mentally weak."

cougfanblue

7/27/21 12:13pm

100% my feeling too

Memmo

7/27/21 11:06am

People respond in large part to their available alternatives. When everyone

DirtyWater

7/27/21 10:46am

That's an interesting thought for sure. I think positive incentives are always

UNLVcougar

7/27/21 10:49am

Some of it might just be more open.

ReyOso

7/27/21 10:49am

The pressure on these athletes is infinitely more intense with social media and

kotacoug

7/27/21 10:53am

Well unfortunately she just made a decision that will increase the pressure

Taccoug

7/27/21 10:56am

In a way we are living in a make believe world

bluelands

7/27/21 11:08am

I could see it going either way. Who knows.

cougfanz

7/27/21 11:11am

ESPN heralding her as an "unbelievable teammate"

bluelands

7/27/21 11:18am

Is it possible this is a Colin Kaepernick situation? I don't know.

DirtyWater

7/27/21 11:41am

Do yourself a favor and delete your comment

Mabuhay Coug

7/28/21 10:38am

Remember that time when Michael Jordan wasn’t feeling well in game 5

CrimsonCardinal

7/27/21 11:11am

I think this whole discussion is akin to changes made to FT missionaries in

celtic_ranger_dad

7/27/21 11:23am

There is a reason for all of these changes being made by the church. We many

Kilgruman

7/27/21 2:31pm

They were there, but not talked about. But I also think there are more now.

ochobeeguy

7/27/21 2:36pm

Well, if they were there, they were almost never making missionaries return home. During my mission ('79-'81) I never...

Brisco

7/27/21 3:04pm

In 90, I had 2 companions struggle and nearly go home.

ochobeeguy

7/27/21 4:48pm

Unless you were the Pres, you would never have known

Mabuhay Coug

7/28/21 10:48am

For all of us older than the Millenials, we created this. We need to own it

BlooGeek

7/27/21 11:51am

Interesting post, I feel like I’m making those mistakes now with my kids…

BYUfan92

7/27/21 12:43pm

We all do. It's certainly swimming upstream now in a raging torrent to try and

BlooGeek

7/27/21 1:17pm

I don’t think parents are entirely to blame here. Society itself doesn’t allow

7/27/21 1:02pm

I agree...but...society is US my friend. This is the society we've created.

BlooGeek

7/27/21 1:13pm

POTD from me because my wife and I have been having this exact conversation.

cruiserhead

7/27/21 1:21pm

Social media and most news channels are make believe, not real.

Stev_ie

7/27/21 12:05pm

Remember Kerri Strug? Mental or physical, Biles could have given them Gold

byuod

7/27/21 12:05pm

Yup, here's the vid. Incredible.

socorny

7/27/21 12:08pm

And if Mike Conley/spida were healthy the jazz would have a championship.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/27/21 12:31pm

No they wouldn't

IgnoreThem

7/27/21 2:41pm

This quote from Michael Hopf is very true...

RealMadridCougar

7/27/21 12:13pm

But not sure it applies.

StalwartBraveTrue

7/27/21 12:32pm

Of course it applies, we have had good times for a long time and

RealMadridCougar

7/27/21 12:42pm

Is this a Kerri Strug comparion?

PROBcoug

7/27/21 12:20pm

Nope.

Memmo

7/27/21 12:40pm

She has competed at the highest level before. Something is not adding up

7/27/21 12:32pm

Given the abuse from the Karolyis and Nassar, I wonder if the Olympic setting

TailgateU

7/27/21 12:34pm

Meh, happened just months ago with Osaka and Wimbledon & French Open

7/27/21 12:39pm

She quit the championship match in the middle? Don’t remember that.

Memmo

7/27/21 12:41pm

She quite in middle of French Open. It’s not like Simone quit while on the beam

7/27/21 1:41pm

Kids have more demanding and tougher schedules when it comes to

Corn

7/27/21 12:53pm

If you think I wrote all that just to call Simone soft, you didn't read it.

Memmo

7/27/21 2:10pm

maybe they can sit out and spend there time as a social media infl or life coach

gmoney7

7/27/21 2:06pm

The real issue is not understanding where she was at month or more before

7/27/21 2:17pm

TBF Michael Jordan did quit his sport at the height of his career due to burnout

MDub1

7/27/21 2:48pm

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YSMACK

7/27/21 3:18pm

Excellent point 👍

Zip

7/27/21 5:27pm

"burnout"... Right.

VACOUGFAN

7/27/21 5:43pm

Article

MDub1

7/27/21 7:35pm

Oh I know all about the public reasons he stepped away.

VACOUGFAN

7/27/21 8:30pm

Lol now I’m just embarrassed. Need to watch Last Dance again

MDub1

7/27/21 8:36pm

After he won the three championships in a row! He didn't quit after game 1.

CrimsonCardinal

7/28/21 3:41pm

You kidding? She already has 4 Olympic golds and 19 world championship titles

MDub1

7/28/21 4:37pm

Point is she quit mid competition, not after it was over or before it started

palangi

7/28/21 4:41pm

Point is questioning Simone Biles commitment or mental toughness is crazy given

MDub1

7/28/21 4:46pm

I'm only responding to the Jordan comparison. It's a bad argument

palangi

7/28/21 6:13pm

Perhaps Biles just exercised her toughest act of courage by doing what she felt

7/28/21 4:49pm

Sounded to me like her concern was about her own safety. Lots of gymnasts have

TailgateU

7/28/21 4:59pm

Weak

slowhiteguy

7/27/21 4:24pm

It’s just the Russians using the tech they did in Havana. They used it to impair

StalwartBraveTrue

7/27/21 7:16pm

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