Yeah. But I've never put much stock into 'vacation' of wins and championships.

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Sep 27, 2021
5:13:03pm

BYUDM93 Redshirt Freshman

Yeah. But I've never put much stock into 'vacation' of wins and championships.

Fact is, they were won, and everybody knows it. NCAA rule and legal infractions don't really change it.

Not saying I like it. At all. But punishing a program or individual later down the road doesn't change what they accomplished on the field/court.

Does Reggie Bush 'have' a Heisman? No. But, did he win the Heisman? Yes. He sure did. He's a Heisman winner no matter what quibbling people want to employ. Did it keep him from getting a job in the NFL? No.

Maybe that would be a more effective punishment - for the NFL to agree to not hire a 'convicted' cheater, or the players from a cheating program for a period of time. But, THAT AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, at so many levels, for so many reasons.

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BYUDM93

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This is what actually came from the Big 12 via AD from TTech…

9/27/21 1:38am

If USC UCLA Oregon and Washington all left

9/27/21 5:37am

Disagree.

DJROSS

9/27/21 5:55am

Not even close. It's the P12 woke culture that's killing their conference

Bo Dagget

9/27/21 6:14am

You can keep telling yourself that but it doesn’t make it true

9/27/21 6:53am

If you think it's academic prowess that gives Stan and Cal the upper hand

Bo Dagget

9/27/21 6:59am

I'm going with out of touch.... academic prowess means nothing vs. tv revenue

wilsdad

9/27/21 7:22am

There is a lot more than just that

9/27/21 8:21am

Well, you got me there

Bo Dagget

9/27/21 8:35am

It's true. When the BIG12 schools see all that money coming in from the EAPN

Jacksonian76

9/27/21 7:14am

The proof is in the pudding. The entire athletic participation in California

DJROSS

9/27/21 7:27am

Interesting thoughts (about education in general, not necessarily the athletic

kos

9/27/21 7:53am

Hiring based on ability? LOL!!! Hardly. They are hiring as much cheap foreign...

CougarThug

9/27/21 8:43am

I'm not talking baseline. I'm talking about where will define the future.

DJROSS

9/27/21 8:54am

I think what you say is largely true and will eventually happen.

MetaLearner

9/27/21 9:47am

You may be right. I have a tendency to be rather early in observing trends.

DJROSS

9/27/21 6:42pm

Have you watched P12 games recently? If you have, you are mostly alone. Academics don't sell tickets to football games,

zonacougar

9/27/21 11:16am

Just because they named themselves "the conference of champions" and repeat it.

hydrocoug

9/27/21 11:23am

I’m not a Pac-12 fan, but they are the conference of Olympic Sport champions. Especially if you count Olympic champions

Fallball

9/27/21 12:29pm

Total National Championships:

BYUDM93

9/27/21 2:00pm

How many in football, because that is what will drive conference affiliation?

hydrocoug

9/27/21 2:03pm

The last time the Pac12 had an outright National Championship in football was 1972.

9/27/21 2:11pm

But you were simply mocking them for calling themselves the "Conference of

kos

9/27/21 2:14pm

Thank you, and agreed in full

BYUDM93

9/27/21 2:25pm

In context of this thread, I mocked them for their claim.

hydrocoug

9/27/21 3:08pm

I could compile conference comparison stats if you'd like, but felt it

BYUDM93

9/27/21 3:43pm

Thanks for the doc. I can look through it.

hydrocoug

9/27/21 4:12pm

Great question, and leads to a major (discovered) DISCLAIMER:

BYUDM93

9/27/21 2:24pm

To actually answer your question, "How many in football?":

BYUDM93

9/27/21 3:11pm

Thanks for putting all these stats together.

hydrocoug

9/27/21 3:37pm

Except that USC's National Championships in the 2000's no longer count...

9/27/21 4:52pm

Go look up who the AP has listed as National Champs in 03 and 04

9/27/21 5:01pm

NCAA has 2004 *'d (vacated) on this part of their site. But not 2003.

BYUDM93

9/27/21 5:18pm

The NCAA doesn’t even award an FBS championship

9/27/21 5:48pm

yeah - seems like a desperate, pathetic attempt by the NCAA to insert itself -

BYUDM93

9/27/21 6:13pm

I wouldn’t be shocked to find out the page was made solely for that reason

9/27/21 6:21pm

Yeah. But I've never put much stock into 'vacation' of wins and championships.

BYUDM93

9/27/21 5:13pm

In water polo and chair stacking but not in football which is what is driving

VACOUGFAN

9/27/21 2:13pm

Seems to me it would be the other way around here!

9/27/21 7:45am

If those schools left, it would be because of a terrible TV contract. You think

SLIVER

9/27/21 8:24am

A terrible TV contract for the PAC would be better than what the Big 12 is going

9/27/21 10:25am

We'll see. Impossible to tell now, but there are a lot of people less confident

SLIVER

9/27/21 11:13am

Who would be pining for the good old days of Neuheisel at UCLA?

9/27/21 2:50pm

Wut?

BamaCoug

9/27/21 8:40am

Strike that. Reverse it.

HONOMO

9/27/21 8:46am

This must be trolling. It would be all about the money. And in that scenario

Cougar TD

9/27/21 9:12am

I highly doubt it. The schools people care about are in relatively small markets

9/27/21 10:26am

Hmmm . . . It sounds more likely to me that the 8 left overs from the PAC 1.2

Iron Coug

9/27/21 9:12am

The days of academics controlling conference affiliation are rapidly ending. It

DirtyWater

9/27/21 11:11am

Ouch

DJROSS

9/27/21 11:22am

You're right for anything not in the hard sciences or professional degrees

MetaLearner

9/27/21 11:35am

However those grants come from governments.

hydrocoug

9/27/21 11:44am

I hope so but I'm not so sure.

MetaLearner

9/27/21 12:05pm

I would support UA/ASU/Washington/WSU or even Colorado

davidsonlaw

9/27/21 9:00am

I think the most likely teams to go to the B1G if it happens are

9/27/21 9:20am

Basketball would be the reason to include Arizona

davidsonlaw

9/27/21 11:08am

If the Big Ten takes just 2 and the Big XII only takes 4, no chance Utah gets in

9/27/21 9:49am

If the B1G only takes two, it would probably not be enough to

9/27/21 9:52am

Would Pac stay at 10 then? Money would be greater in the Big XII and there's no

9/27/21 10:05am

Not sure money is greater in Big 12 if only USC and Oregon leave…

9/27/21 8:21pm

The PAC would then add SDSU, Boise, Nevada, UNLV, USU

davidsonlaw

9/27/21 11:10am

Please, Universe! Make this happen!

9/27/21 11:42am

Is 16 teams the 'magic' conference size? Or would the B1G consider more?

BYUDM93

9/27/21 9:01am

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