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Jun 22, 2022
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Loquacious Lummox
FWIW, Tuiaki said they did a lot of analytical research on things which actually matter with defensive play
He didn't really elaborate on how that will affect what BYU does on defense, however.
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FWIW, Tuiaki said they did a lot of analytical research on things which actually matter with defensive play
Indy Coug
Loquacious Lummox
6/22/22 11:46am
1st insight: Tackle guy with ball
braddahmike
6/22/22 11:48am
Preventing big plays is the primary goal of the system because those hurt you more than anything else.
molodyets
6/22/22 11:48am
He's got a point but you gotta stop the other team on downs as well.
Kajdin
6/22/22 11:49am
yep. and we struggle on that. against weak teams
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 11:51am
The biggest problem last year, by far, was giving up almost 5 yards a run on first down
Indy Coug
6/22/22 11:51am
I just remember dreading 3rd and long
AF Cougar
6/22/22 12:07pm
It felt almost automatic for the opponent. I'd be interested to see how our 3rd and long defensive stats compare
IdahoCoug
6/22/22 12:14pm
I just looked up our stats for opponent's 3rd down conversion. So not 3rd and long, per se, but still relevant.
IdahoCoug
6/22/22 12:24pm
We were 109th in opponents' 4th down conversion rate.
IdahoCoug
6/22/22 12:26pm
BYU was 106th at 43%
Indy Coug
6/22/22 12:31pm
The stats I looked up didn't include FCS opponents, only games involving two FBS teams
IdahoCoug
6/22/22 3:00pm
This is a good example of why looking at stats as N/130 doesn't tell you much. We had 194 3rd downs last year (maybe
molodyets
6/22/22 12:39pm
114th out of 130 isn't very good, right?
boctabulous
6/22/22 5:31pm
And I look at 3rd and long as a VERY big play. Them converting on 3rd and long
viper
6/22/22 12:16pm
Gotta stop the run on first down, that's the most important rule of defense 101.
Mitty
6/22/22 12:25pm
Tuiaki did say stopping the run was a top priority
Dr T-bone
6/22/22 2:56pm
Seems like I've heard that many times before. Kind of like when we hear them say
ManicBlue
6/22/22 5:11pm
BYU opponents gained 5 or more yards on 1st Down 46.6% of the time in 2021. That was up from 34.3% in 2020 & 42.1% in 19
Spiff
6/22/22 4:59pm
I think that's an interesting conversation - I honestly don't know the answer.
Eddie
6/22/22 11:53am
Giving up a long play (especially a score) is an outlier of offensive performance, so you are in effect spotting them 7
molodyets
6/22/22 11:55am
Team with more points per play (explosiveness) wins 71% of the time:
molodyets
6/22/22 12:01pm
Are there teams that don't try and prevent big plays?
Coug
6/22/22 11:55am
RE: Preventing big plays is the primary goal of the system because those hurt
Heath Squashwell
6/22/22 11:55am
Or just limiting the number of points scored. That doesn't factor in time of
cougaman
6/22/22 12:13pm
Three words.... Coastal Caro Lina.
RealityCheck
6/22/22 12:25pm
Five Words? Ala Bama Bir Ming Ham
Happy As Larry
6/22/22 2:35pm
Was he saying it is research since the end of last season, or in general? Because if it's stuff he's learned over his
IdahoCoug
6/22/22 11:51am
Whatever side you’re on regarding Tuiaki and his D the following is true:
Beggar
6/22/22 11:51am
and sadly I don't have confidence in Kalani to fix the problem
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 11:57am
That’s the other issue. Kalani has been willing to make other changes. Just not
Beggar
6/22/22 12:02pm
RE: FWIW, Tuiaki said they did a lot of analytical research on things which
oryguncoug
6/22/22 11:52am
This is amazing... Sitake, Lamb, Clune and now Tuiaki... former DC's and current DC experience...
Coug
6/22/22 11:53am
The plan of the defense is a failing one.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 11:55am
It is the defense Sitake wants. That won’t change with the coordinator unless he
Charles Darwin
6/22/22 11:57am
Not according to Sitake's own mouth.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 11:59am
I will trust his actions over how some fan took his words
Charles Darwin
6/22/22 12:00pm
In other words you don't pay attention. I figured based on your comments.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 12:16pm
I wouldn’t make a habit of putting what is said in PR situations ahead of what
Charles Darwin
6/22/22 12:21pm
21-4. If there was a big reason to change they'd do it.
Blueto
6/22/22 12:00pm
LOL. ah the 21-4 drum shows up
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 12:02pm
Defense didn't lose the CC game. Offense went nowhere and turned it over all
Blueto
6/22/22 12:05pm
and yet 2 more min of possession wins us the game
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 12:07pm
Huh? How? TOP doesn't equal points.
GSwarriorcoug
6/22/22 8:13pm
Good point. It's good to be reminded of data.
Happy As Larry
6/22/22 2:40pm
Now do the first 3 games of 2021 when the D was healthy. Cherry-picking the
Abe Froman
6/22/22 12:11pm
This is the worst argument of all. Who got hurt? Pili? He caused the change? No if you go back you see we played
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 12:21pm
LOL not as bad as “Kalani wanted to win that one”. Come on.
Abe Froman
6/22/22 12:33pm
sitake only wants to win certain games.
Belboz
6/22/22 2:48pm
Yes no coach has ever put more effort into one game over another....oh wait.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 4:07pm
That sounds like a bad idea to me.
Belboz
6/22/22 5:22pm
You seem to struggle understanding what you read.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 6:17pm
I was kidding. I'm sure Sitake wants to win every game
Belboz
6/22/22 9:14pm
Thinking a coach might be more involved in game planning in the off-season for a certain big game doesn't seem
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 4:07pm
losing games upsets coaches and fans. Win all of them.
Belboz
6/22/22 5:22pm
Thinking injuries don’t matter, but Kalani wanting to win a given game does, is
Abe Froman
6/22/22 7:07pm
Who said Kalani didn't want to win games? Oh that was you. I agree peak foolishness.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 8:28pm
Read again - that isn’t what I said. Keep ignoring the early games that refute
Abe Froman
6/22/22 8:38pm
You mean Utah? That's the game.
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 8:41pm
Sure thing
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 12:21pm
Ah the old “Time of Possession” drum shows up, and it can’t even explain the
Abe Froman
6/22/22 12:32pm
lets look at the BYU vs Utah TOP....
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 2:29pm
Points per possession is the important metric
rad dawg
6/22/22 2:37pm
time of possession is meaningless.
molodyets
6/22/22 2:58pm
can't score if you dont have the ball
Y'zGuy
6/22/22 3:24pm
You get the same number of chances as the other team (at most 1 possession difference)
molodyets
6/22/22 3:49pm
Explain your time of possession obsession to this guy
Blueto
6/22/22 12:41pm
Ahh.... the decision to cry about 21-4 and completely disregarding it for things which haven't happened yet
Indy Coug
6/22/22 12:39pm
'19 Toledo, '19 USF, '20 CC, and '21 UAB games had similar feels
Doogal McCougar
6/22/22 12:20pm
The plan isn't the issue. We saw that with the first 4 games last year.
Gorgias
6/22/22 12:08pm
Recruiting and development, but let's not put any blame on him because he just
cougaman
6/22/22 12:16pm
Very few teams outside the SEC could compete with that many key injuries.
rad dawg
6/22/22 12:24pm
More excuses.
cougaman
6/22/22 6:01pm
I didn't hear anything that lead me to believe that the research was just done this year. That is CB echo chamber.
PJMort
6/22/22 11:56am
But 3 former and 1 current DC can't figure out the issues?
Coug
6/22/22 11:56am
They didn't do analytics to see "what was wrong". They wanted affirmation of the things to focus the most.
Indy Coug
6/22/22 11:56am
Perhaps we should consider that they are not all clueless but think they are
Charles Darwin
6/22/22 11:57am
Nah. People here know much better.
Blueto
6/22/22 11:59am
Seriously. Have we stooped to Yelp level on CB?
kiyoshige
6/22/22 6:36pm
You sound like the old-school baseball scouts in Moneyball.
Gorgias
6/22/22 11:59am
That's an amazing interpretation, anyway. CB FTW!
Abe Froman
6/22/22 12:00pm
Every team in college football does this.
rad dawg
6/22/22 12:01pm
Sometimes humans are more receptive to change when a little more objective
BringYourUltimate
6/22/22 5:39pm
We can hope
RUNBYU1
6/22/22 5:48pm
I'm totally buying his explanation of playing "aggressive coverages" as opposed
BGRTHNUMEGO
6/22/22 11:54am
Drives of 18 plays or more are very rare in CFB, so we've decided to focus our defense
Disco Lemonade
6/22/22 11:57am
Not 18, but 12-play 7 minute drives seem to happen pretty regularly vs BYU
Kajdin
6/22/22 12:00pm
The non-garbage-time national average for plays per drive is 5.71. Last year we avg 6.28. The difference between top 10
molodyets
6/22/22 12:28pm
Also, national average time off the clock - 144 seconds vs 163. 20 seconds of playing time. However that's not adjusted
molodyets
6/22/22 12:29pm
The problem is other teams aren't so stupid to continually give the other team short passes and open runs. So
kimdaddy35
6/22/22 12:03pm
It’s sad that
I'mBatman
6/22/22 12:05pm
Research says to basically never punt. Why are we still punting? Why is anyone
Iman23
6/22/22 12:05pm
For one, that research essentially assumes that the Law of Large Numbers will bail you out in the long run
Indy Coug
6/22/22 12:24pm
It doesn't say never punt. They have a table of when to punt and when not to.
Genghis Spreads
6/22/22 12:28pm
They forgot to look into the actual playing of defense, however.
Mitty
6/22/22 12:23pm
Well geez that makes me feel better. If there's one guy that can take a look at
byubyu
6/22/22 12:36pm
I was pleasantly surprised the variety of defensive play calling against 1st 3 PAC12 teams. Then USF
CLCougar
6/22/22 1:13pm
Recruit better on defense? Specifically d-line and linebacker.
legiaourbana
6/22/22 2:15pm
What's Tuiaki's take on the "things that actually matter"?
Accipiter
6/22/22 8:21pm
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