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Jan 17, 2023
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demon_llama
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My point is that arguments like this tend to shut down discussion
of real ways in which our system fails the poor. Kind of like what you’re doing.
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The rich get richer & the poor ... do too. The true story of poverty in the USA.
YSMACK
1/16/23 6:16pm
It all boils down to jealousy. Poor in the US is a moving goal post every year.
SausageKing
1/16/23 6:21pm
And... "the 1%" aren't 1 percenters for much of their life. Most 1%ers are in the 1% for one year... they sell a
HarlemCoug
1/16/23 6:24pm
What’s defined as the 1%?
kotacoug
1/16/23 6:38pm
The IRS takes all tax filers for the year and then figures out what AGI was reached by just 1% of all households.
HarlemCoug
1/16/23 7:00pm
When the poor have an obesity problem are they really poor?
kotacoug
1/16/23 6:38pm
In the US? Yes.
Eddie
1/16/23 6:45pm
Unfortunately, it's cheaper to eat unhealthy foods than healthier options.
GA_Coug
1/16/23 9:57pm
by example, when I go diving in the Philippines, I try to be genuine, but also generous. On one of our first trips, we
ChinaFan
1/16/23 6:49pm
That’s a good argument that no one is really satisfied with. For some reason humans are wired for comparisons and status
Odysseus
1/16/23 6:55pm
It's certainly relative. The biggest issue is lack purpose and with the safety
johnnybyu
1/16/23 7:34pm
Even with that warped viewpoint the poor are WAY better off.
YSMACK
1/16/23 8:48pm
Everyone looks at the world through comparison. Most of the people on this thread nodding their heads about how well off
Odysseus
1/16/23 9:01pm
The third point includes comparison.
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:21pm
I think we agree that (1) capitalism > socialism and (2) capitalism still has some problems that can be rectified via
Odysseus
1/16/23 9:46pm
Upward mobility, in particular, makes USA the best country for the poor.
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:52pm
In your last paragraph, I’d be curious to see how that data was observed. For example, I grew up in a top 20% household
Odysseus
1/16/23 9:57pm
Yes, age demographics play a big part (in all countries)
YSMACK
1/16/23 10:00pm
Also, that isn't the argument at all.
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:24pm
well, the bigger part of the problem is that a good number of those promoting this dialogue are spoiled brats who don't
ChinaFan
1/16/23 9:35pm
it's also worth pointing out that for many they aren't pour because they're oppressed... they're poor because they're
HarlemCoug
1/17/23 12:09am
Nailed it.
Mitty
1/16/23 11:53pm
When I would tel people in my mission the poor had cars, homes, free food,
Bobmarleyjr
1/16/23 7:11pm
The abundant wealth in the US may be the worst thing for the poor. People don't
johnnybyu
1/16/23 7:36pm
Some have run with the word equality to think it means we should all be equal in assets, but the phrase
BW84
1/16/23 8:54pm
The difference is that fewer people can change their position in other markets
YSMACK
1/16/23 8:57pm
It’s a cop out to compare the poor in the US with the poor in a 3d world country
demon_llama
1/16/23 9:18pm
LOL. No it isn't. You're completely missing the point.
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:29pm
Also, those stats don't show us better than just in 3rd world countries
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:38pm
My point is that arguments like this tend to shut down discussion
demon_llama
1/17/23 6:44am
The point is, there is no system that does better at helping the poor
PROBcoug
1/17/23 8:24am
Probably true. But I'm also interested in what the poor think about it.
demon_llama
1/17/23 10:59am
If they have food, home, education, what else do they need?
Bobmarleyjr
1/17/23 12:46pm
They also have 2 tvs, washer, dryer, dishwasher, oven, ref., HVAC, game console
YSMACK
1/17/23 1:10pm
Such a sad way of looking at the world
Backcountry
1/16/23 9:34pm
so, in what way is that a cop out? It's a fact, and sure, we should work to help the poor get out of poverty, no one
ChinaFan
1/16/23 9:37pm
He clearly doesn't understand the conversation.
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:43pm
The US also has tremendous resources and geography which allows our system to thrive despite its flaws
Odysseus
1/16/23 9:48pm
I don't think that is a valid explanation for the difference. Look at China
YSMACK
1/16/23 10:10pm
Small quibble, the US is not a “free market”.
sammyh72
1/16/23 9:55pm
Fair enough, but I don't think that really changes the conversation much.
YSMACK
1/16/23 9:56pm
The homeless with mental health issues are very much stuck in poverty.
VenomFarmer
1/16/23 10:00pm
I 100% agree with that, but that is a different kind of problem.
YSMACK
1/16/23 10:04pm
Fine, but saying attention to the gap is a "bad way of looking at it" is just
Mitty
1/16/23 11:53pm
John Stossel did a great report on this too. Total myth.
Ned Schneebly
1/17/23 7:12am
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