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Mar 19, 2023
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Polecat
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Except in the NCAA tournament, which is the topic at hand here. A lot of nice
glossy regular season w/l records, but they aren’t good enough in the tournament. And there is no inherent reason they should be.
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How do the Creighton and Gonzagas consistently out perform BYU?
Jasbo
3/19/23 7:26pm
I agree in part...but P5 or location shouldn't be reasons
coug10278
3/19/23 7:27pm
Really good coaches are rare.
777
3/19/23 7:29pm
BYU is the problem with BYU.
Coug
3/19/23 7:30pm
Bingo!!! BYU must change a few things. Loosen the honor code up.
fan32
3/20/23 12:08am
Why is ByU HC more strict than church standards. Needs to change
fan32
3/20/23 12:10am
Needs to change now not next 100 years
fan32
3/20/23 12:12am
Coaching. Great coaches are huge for success at the college level
jes2332
3/19/23 7:32pm
Honor code
Beggar
3/19/23 7:32pm
This
Oldcougfan
3/19/23 7:35pm
I’m not quite convinced. I think it’s more the preference and need to have an
Polecat
3/19/23 8:35pm
If not the top reason it's top 2...there's no getting around it
coug10278
3/19/23 8:41pm
Yeah that’s true. I do wonder what kind of people they could could get if
Polecat
3/19/23 8:41pm
Have you not been paying attention to BYU under Pope?
icecougar
3/19/23 9:21pm
Relax. The OP is about two other schools, and NCAA tournament success, which
Polecat
3/19/23 9:28pm
That and they've had the same coaches there for more than a decade...
icecougar
3/19/23 9:16pm
Nah. We can’t shoot right now. Recruit and coach better lds talent.
theperkissystem
3/19/23 9:48pm
Seeing Michigan St with both an active member and another Wasatch grad is tough
Mabuhay Coug
3/19/23 10:25pm
Not all religious schools are equal. Some are much easier to be in than others
SUAVO
3/19/23 7:33pm
In fact you might say almost all of them are easier to be in than BYU ;-). All
Polecat
3/19/23 8:41pm
For basketball, it's probably actually football. The big Creighton/Zags donors
downtownchrisbrown
3/19/23 7:34pm
How many additional wins per season are a result of higher academic ranking, bigger enrollment, bigger endowment?
Mountain Rat
3/19/23 7:37pm
Those qualities seem to have given Stanford the edge over us in recruiting in
Jasbo
3/19/23 9:22pm
Bigger stadiums, more basketball courts in their churches, the have a pro team n
calvindyer
3/19/23 7:38pm
can't include P5 in that list for another 2-3 years.
qwerew
3/19/23 7:47pm
Because they’re better. Why do you think BYU should outperform them?
Indy Coug
3/19/23 7:47pm
Yeah I think some dyed in the wool fans sometimes forget that in order to be
Polecat
3/19/23 8:49pm
And BYU is more successful than most programs
Belboz
3/19/23 8:58pm
Except in the NCAA tournament, which is the topic at hand here. A lot of nice
Polecat
3/19/23 9:02pm
BYU has had plenty of NCAA tournament wins. They're nowhere near the bottom
Belboz
3/19/23 10:03pm
Back to the original point and question. They are outdone by schools like
Polecat
3/19/23 10:15pm
and other schools struggle more.
Belboz
3/20/23 11:07am
BYU has the most tournament appearances without making a final four. So that
Polecat
3/20/23 10:48pm
Because Church ball is non-existent now
braddahmike
3/19/23 7:49pm
kids I've seen playing "church ball" couldn't make the high school girls team
qwerew
3/19/23 7:57pm
RE: How do the Creighton and Gonzagas consistently out perform BYU?
WJCougar
3/19/23 7:51pm
Creighton has a conference advantage the last decade. Recruiting to the Big East
777
3/19/23 7:52pm
Creighton's starters all made just about $200k this year. It seems all will be coming back next year because they
HarlemCoug
3/19/23 8:13pm
I believe you but do you have a Link for that, or just what you heard?
Iman23
3/19/23 8:22pm
That's gross. It really is a pro league now. Things aren't the same.
777
3/19/23 8:34pm
Creighton on was consistently better than BYU before NIL existed.
Stalwartbob
3/19/23 11:08pm
I believe it comes down to the overall goals of the institution and program.
Polecat
3/19/23 8:15pm
A coach Rose clone? Rose was one of the all time BYU greats. However to be
Polecat
3/19/23 8:22pm
It is extremely hard to recruit at BYU with the honor code. They don't have
84 natlchamps
3/19/23 8:23pm
Basketball is their top sport, plus better coaching, no HC, and easier academics
CapitalCougar
3/19/23 8:25pm
This post is lacking some insight and intellectual honesty..
icecougar
3/19/23 9:11pm
I assume when people ask questions like this, it’s not out of intellectual
Polecat
3/19/23 9:22pm
H'mm...Why did you bother to answer? Did I postulate a conclusion? The insight I
Jasbo
3/19/23 9:47pm
Your question clearly implied that Creighton and Gonzaga are at least reasonable
Polecat
3/19/23 10:03pm
I answered because you posted and this is a message board…
icecougar
3/19/23 10:18pm
Did anyone not see the post that Creighton pays its starters $100,000 in NIL?
JadedCougar
3/19/23 10:00pm
They were a finalist for Richie Saunders a few years ago…
icecougar
3/19/23 10:21pm
Better question might be how is Creighton a better basketball school than the University of Nebraska?
PJMort
3/19/23 11:30pm
Yeah, good question. Since they joined the B1G I've forgotten that Nebraska...
icecougar
3/20/23 9:34am
Honestly, IMO The WCC was a regression that set BYU back years
chirocoug
3/19/23 11:32pm
The basketball only schools are going to rule because will pay big money
fan32
3/20/23 12:04am
In our case, I think we proved Kaukbrenner changes quite a bit.
SinkingQuffa
3/20/23 12:15am
The HC excuse is tiring. There’s enough talent out there. Comes down to coaching
zerome4sooners
3/20/23 5:30am
RE: The HC excuse is tiring. There’s enough talent out there. Comes down to
icecougar
3/20/23 9:39am
recruit outside Utah
zerome4sooners
3/20/23 4:08pm
Agreed! Signed Pope in Mexico, Spain, Romania, Turkey, and Madagascar etc
icecougar
3/21/23 10:27am
Their fans, coaches and administrators feel worthy of having good teams.
calvindyer
3/20/23 1:35pm
One word. Coaching. Look at the Bios of McDermott and Few.
kiyoshige
3/20/23 1:52pm
Yet Pope performed well against both this yr when talent & roster depth balance
SinkingQuffa
3/20/23 2:00pm
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