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Mar 19, 2023
10:03:10pm

Polecat All-American

Your question clearly implied that Creighton and Gonzaga are at least reasonable

examples to compare with BYU. We should all really know that no such comparison exists, and BYU is the only school that puts institution and church specific objectives above winning. That is the only real answer to these questions. While the coaches and players are certainly trying to win, the people who run BYU aren’t. We all know they aren’t, and most of the time I suppose we secretly hope they are .

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How do the Creighton and Gonzagas consistently out perform BYU?

Jasbo

3/19/23 7:26pm

I agree in part...but P5 or location shouldn't be reasons

coug10278

3/19/23 7:27pm

Really good coaches are rare.

777

3/19/23 7:29pm

BYU is the problem with BYU.

Coug

3/19/23 7:30pm

Bingo!!! BYU must change a few things. Loosen the honor code up.

fan32

3/20/23 12:08am

Why is ByU HC more strict than church standards. Needs to change

fan32

3/20/23 12:10am

Needs to change now not next 100 years

fan32

3/20/23 12:12am

Coaching. Great coaches are huge for success at the college level

jes2332

3/19/23 7:32pm

Honor code

Beggar

3/19/23 7:32pm

This

Oldcougfan

3/19/23 7:35pm

I’m not quite convinced. I think it’s more the preference and need to have an

Polecat

3/19/23 8:35pm

If not the top reason it's top 2...there's no getting around it

coug10278

3/19/23 8:41pm

Yeah that’s true. I do wonder what kind of people they could could get if

Polecat

3/19/23 8:41pm

Have you not been paying attention to BYU under Pope?

icecougar

3/19/23 9:21pm

Relax. The OP is about two other schools, and NCAA tournament success, which

Polecat

3/19/23 9:28pm

That and they've had the same coaches there for more than a decade...

icecougar

3/19/23 9:16pm

Nah. We can’t shoot right now. Recruit and coach better lds talent.

theperkissystem

3/19/23 9:48pm

Seeing Michigan St with both an active member and another Wasatch grad is tough

Mabuhay Coug

3/19/23 10:25pm

Not all religious schools are equal. Some are much easier to be in than others

SUAVO

3/19/23 7:33pm

In fact you might say almost all of them are easier to be in than BYU ;-). All

Polecat

3/19/23 8:41pm

For basketball, it's probably actually football. The big Creighton/Zags donors

downtownchrisbrown

3/19/23 7:34pm

How many additional wins per season are a result of higher academic ranking, bigger enrollment, bigger endowment?

Mountain Rat

3/19/23 7:37pm

Those qualities seem to have given Stanford the edge over us in recruiting in

Jasbo

3/19/23 9:22pm

Bigger stadiums, more basketball courts in their churches, the have a pro team n

calvindyer

3/19/23 7:38pm

can't include P5 in that list for another 2-3 years.

qwerew

3/19/23 7:47pm

Because they’re better. Why do you think BYU should outperform them?

Indy Coug

3/19/23 7:47pm

Yeah I think some dyed in the wool fans sometimes forget that in order to be

Polecat

3/19/23 8:49pm

And BYU is more successful than most programs

Belboz

3/19/23 8:58pm

Except in the NCAA tournament, which is the topic at hand here. A lot of nice

Polecat

3/19/23 9:02pm

BYU has had plenty of NCAA tournament wins. They're nowhere near the bottom

Belboz

3/19/23 10:03pm

Back to the original point and question. They are outdone by schools like

Polecat

3/19/23 10:15pm

and other schools struggle more.

Belboz

3/20/23 11:07am

BYU has the most tournament appearances without making a final four. So that

Polecat

3/20/23 10:48pm

Because Church ball is non-existent now

braddahmike

3/19/23 7:49pm

kids I've seen playing "church ball" couldn't make the high school girls team

qwerew

3/19/23 7:57pm

RE: How do the Creighton and Gonzagas consistently out perform BYU?

WJCougar

3/19/23 7:51pm

Creighton has a conference advantage the last decade. Recruiting to the Big East

777

3/19/23 7:52pm

Creighton's starters all made just about $200k this year. It seems all will be coming back next year because they

HarlemCoug

3/19/23 8:13pm

I believe you but do you have a Link for that, or just what you heard?

Iman23

3/19/23 8:22pm

That's gross. It really is a pro league now. Things aren't the same.

777

3/19/23 8:34pm

Creighton on was consistently better than BYU before NIL existed.

Stalwartbob

3/19/23 11:08pm

I believe it comes down to the overall goals of the institution and program.

Polecat

3/19/23 8:15pm

A coach Rose clone? Rose was one of the all time BYU greats. However to be

Polecat

3/19/23 8:22pm

It is extremely hard to recruit at BYU with the honor code. They don't have

3/19/23 8:23pm

Basketball is their top sport, plus better coaching, no HC, and easier academics

CapitalCougar

3/19/23 8:25pm

This post is lacking some insight and intellectual honesty..

icecougar

3/19/23 9:11pm

I assume when people ask questions like this, it’s not out of intellectual

Polecat

3/19/23 9:22pm

H'mm...Why did you bother to answer? Did I postulate a conclusion? The insight I

Jasbo

3/19/23 9:47pm

Your question clearly implied that Creighton and Gonzaga are at least reasonable

Polecat

3/19/23 10:03pm

I answered because you posted and this is a message board…

icecougar

3/19/23 10:18pm

Did anyone not see the post that Creighton pays its starters $100,000 in NIL?

JadedCougar

3/19/23 10:00pm

They were a finalist for Richie Saunders a few years ago…

icecougar

3/19/23 10:21pm

Better question might be how is Creighton a better basketball school than the University of Nebraska?

PJMort

3/19/23 11:30pm

Yeah, good question. Since they joined the B1G I've forgotten that Nebraska...

icecougar

3/20/23 9:34am

Honestly, IMO The WCC was a regression that set BYU back years

chirocoug

3/19/23 11:32pm

The basketball only schools are going to rule because will pay big money

fan32

3/20/23 12:04am

In our case, I think we proved Kaukbrenner changes quite a bit.

SinkingQuffa

3/20/23 12:15am

The HC excuse is tiring. There’s enough talent out there. Comes down to coaching

3/20/23 5:30am

RE: The HC excuse is tiring. There’s enough talent out there. Comes down to

icecougar

3/20/23 9:39am

recruit outside Utah

3/20/23 4:08pm

Agreed! Signed Pope in Mexico, Spain, Romania, Turkey, and Madagascar etc

icecougar

3/21/23 10:27am

Their fans, coaches and administrators feel worthy of having good teams.

calvindyer

3/20/23 1:35pm

One word. Coaching. Look at the Bios of McDermott and Few.

kiyoshige

3/20/23 1:52pm

Yet Pope performed well against both this yr when talent & roster depth balance

SinkingQuffa

3/20/23 2:00pm

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