Back to the original point and question. They are outdone by schools like

Mar 19, 2023
10:15:28pm

Polecat All-American

Gonzaga and Creighton. My point is just that BYU is not free to put together the roster that those schools can. That shows come tournament time, IMO. BYU *almost* always struggles in those games.

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How do the Creighton and Gonzagas consistently out perform BYU?

Jasbo

3/19/23 7:26pm

I agree in part...but P5 or location shouldn't be reasons

coug10278

3/19/23 7:27pm

Really good coaches are rare.

777

3/19/23 7:29pm

BYU is the problem with BYU.

Coug

3/19/23 7:30pm

Bingo!!! BYU must change a few things. Loosen the honor code up.

fan32

3/20/23 12:08am

Why is ByU HC more strict than church standards. Needs to change

fan32

3/20/23 12:10am

Needs to change now not next 100 years

fan32

3/20/23 12:12am

Coaching. Great coaches are huge for success at the college level

jes2332

3/19/23 7:32pm

Honor code

Beggar

3/19/23 7:32pm

This

Oldcougfan

3/19/23 7:35pm

I’m not quite convinced. I think it’s more the preference and need to have an

Polecat

3/19/23 8:35pm

If not the top reason it's top 2...there's no getting around it

coug10278

3/19/23 8:41pm

Yeah that’s true. I do wonder what kind of people they could could get if

Polecat

3/19/23 8:41pm

Have you not been paying attention to BYU under Pope?

icecougar

3/19/23 9:21pm

Relax. The OP is about two other schools, and NCAA tournament success, which

Polecat

3/19/23 9:28pm

That and they've had the same coaches there for more than a decade...

icecougar

3/19/23 9:16pm

Nah. We can’t shoot right now. Recruit and coach better lds talent.

theperkissystem

3/19/23 9:48pm

Seeing Michigan St with both an active member and another Wasatch grad is tough

Mabuhay Coug

3/19/23 10:25pm

Not all religious schools are equal. Some are much easier to be in than others

SUAVO

3/19/23 7:33pm

In fact you might say almost all of them are easier to be in than BYU ;-). All

Polecat

3/19/23 8:41pm

For basketball, it's probably actually football. The big Creighton/Zags donors

downtownchrisbrown

3/19/23 7:34pm

How many additional wins per season are a result of higher academic ranking, bigger enrollment, bigger endowment?

Mountain Rat

3/19/23 7:37pm

Those qualities seem to have given Stanford the edge over us in recruiting in

Jasbo

3/19/23 9:22pm

Bigger stadiums, more basketball courts in their churches, the have a pro team n

calvindyer

3/19/23 7:38pm

can't include P5 in that list for another 2-3 years.

qwerew

3/19/23 7:47pm

Because they’re better. Why do you think BYU should outperform them?

Indy Coug

3/19/23 7:47pm

Yeah I think some dyed in the wool fans sometimes forget that in order to be

Polecat

3/19/23 8:49pm

And BYU is more successful than most programs

Belboz

3/19/23 8:58pm

Except in the NCAA tournament, which is the topic at hand here. A lot of nice

Polecat

3/19/23 9:02pm

BYU has had plenty of NCAA tournament wins. They're nowhere near the bottom

Belboz

3/19/23 10:03pm

Back to the original point and question. They are outdone by schools like

Polecat

3/19/23 10:15pm

and other schools struggle more.

Belboz

3/20/23 11:07am

BYU has the most tournament appearances without making a final four. So that

Polecat

3/20/23 10:48pm

Because Church ball is non-existent now

braddahmike

3/19/23 7:49pm

kids I've seen playing "church ball" couldn't make the high school girls team

qwerew

3/19/23 7:57pm

RE: How do the Creighton and Gonzagas consistently out perform BYU?

WJCougar

3/19/23 7:51pm

Creighton has a conference advantage the last decade. Recruiting to the Big East

777

3/19/23 7:52pm

Creighton's starters all made just about $200k this year. It seems all will be coming back next year because they

HarlemCoug

3/19/23 8:13pm

I believe you but do you have a Link for that, or just what you heard?

Iman23

3/19/23 8:22pm

That's gross. It really is a pro league now. Things aren't the same.

777

3/19/23 8:34pm

Creighton on was consistently better than BYU before NIL existed.

Stalwartbob

3/19/23 11:08pm

I believe it comes down to the overall goals of the institution and program.

Polecat

3/19/23 8:15pm

A coach Rose clone? Rose was one of the all time BYU greats. However to be

Polecat

3/19/23 8:22pm

It is extremely hard to recruit at BYU with the honor code. They don't have

84 natlchamps

3/19/23 8:23pm

Basketball is their top sport, plus better coaching, no HC, and easier academics

CapitalCougar

3/19/23 8:25pm

This post is lacking some insight and intellectual honesty..

icecougar

3/19/23 9:11pm

I assume when people ask questions like this, it’s not out of intellectual

Polecat

3/19/23 9:22pm

H'mm...Why did you bother to answer? Did I postulate a conclusion? The insight I

Jasbo

3/19/23 9:47pm

Your question clearly implied that Creighton and Gonzaga are at least reasonable

Polecat

3/19/23 10:03pm

I answered because you posted and this is a message board…

icecougar

3/19/23 10:18pm

Did anyone not see the post that Creighton pays its starters $100,000 in NIL?

JadedCougar

3/19/23 10:00pm

They were a finalist for Richie Saunders a few years ago…

icecougar

3/19/23 10:21pm

Better question might be how is Creighton a better basketball school than the University of Nebraska?

PJMort

3/19/23 11:30pm

Yeah, good question. Since they joined the B1G I've forgotten that Nebraska...

icecougar

3/20/23 9:34am

Honestly, IMO The WCC was a regression that set BYU back years

chirocoug

3/19/23 11:32pm

The basketball only schools are going to rule because will pay big money

fan32

3/20/23 12:04am

In our case, I think we proved Kaukbrenner changes quite a bit.

SinkingQuffa

3/20/23 12:15am

The HC excuse is tiring. There’s enough talent out there. Comes down to coaching

zerome4sooners

3/20/23 5:30am

RE: The HC excuse is tiring. There’s enough talent out there. Comes down to

icecougar

3/20/23 9:39am

recruit outside Utah

zerome4sooners

3/20/23 4:08pm

Agreed! Signed Pope in Mexico, Spain, Romania, Turkey, and Madagascar etc

icecougar

3/21/23 10:27am

Their fans, coaches and administrators feel worthy of having good teams.

calvindyer

3/20/23 1:35pm

One word. Coaching. Look at the Bios of McDermott and Few.

kiyoshige

3/20/23 1:52pm

Yet Pope performed well against both this yr when talent & roster depth balance

SinkingQuffa

3/20/23 2:00pm

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