Let's see the proof of this academic record. And again he could have....

Apr 18, 2014
12:38:52pm

BengalCougar

been kicked out for a lot of things while he was at BYU, he wasn't exactly quiet about what he was doing.

It's ok to admit BYU may have made mistakes in dealing with Jim, it's ok to admit there was hypocrisy going on.

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Props to BYU for sticking to its guns

chazen

4/18/14 11:04am

I disagree, exceptions need to be made some times. This should have....

BengalCougar

4/18/14 11:07am

And it's not like they are not letting part of the requirements slide already...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 11:16am

I doubt you have to be a member of the church to be in the HOF

chazen

4/18/14 11:38am

You don't, but if I remember correctly you have to be an active and...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 11:41am

I've never heard of that qualification. Seems strange

chazen

4/18/14 11:45am

It is very strange, but I am pretty sure it's part of it. I think the link...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 11:47am

Its not. The requirement is that you have to be a contributing

PolarisPrime

4/18/14 1:53pm

I disagree with this. I'm glad they stuck to the standard. And I'm glad McMahon

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 11:53am

He earned with his on the field play, having a degree means nothing in regards..

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:28pm

BYU can set their HOF standard however they chose

PolarisPrime

4/18/14 1:54pm

I never said they couldn't, or suggested that they shouldn't have those....

BengalCougar

4/18/14 9:11pm

"There are always exceptions"

PolarisPrime

4/18/14 9:14pm

Very sure, and yes there are always exceptions, even at BYU.

BengalCougar

4/18/14 9:17pm

100% agree.

lightmann

4/18/14 10:21pm

I hope that the crowd is sold out and roaring when they induct Jimmy.

Kuga

4/18/14 3:52pm

and as BC had already pointed out ... it wasn't "sticking to a standard"

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 4:53pm

Sorry, but it sounds like BC made that up. Half the schools in CFB have a degree

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 7:51pm

I did not make anything up(link inside)....

BengalCougar

4/18/14 9:09pm

I was referring to the statement that the specific requirement to be a graduate

LifeLongLakerFan

4/19/14 1:25am

RE: I was referring to the statement that the specific requirement to be a

BengalCougar

4/19/14 9:12am

it wasn't bc, it was socalcoug

chazen

4/19/14 1:15pm

The problem is that BYU's reasoning is faulty. IIRC, BYU says it is following

84 Grad

4/18/14 11:17am

They should have done it before the NCAA

AxelDC

4/18/14 11:20am

Are you as upset about Gordon Hudson not being BYU HOF despite being NCAA HOF?

gmj81

4/18/14 1:59pm

I'm glad we don't give these things out like candy, but at the same time wish

Shimmy

4/18/14 11:36am

I disagree. The rule was made in the first place specifically to exclude McMahon

SoCalCoug

4/18/14 11:36am

Can you provide a link to back up your claim?

chazen

4/18/14 11:40am

Sure, because BYU documents that sort of stuff.

SoCalCoug

4/18/14 11:45am

So there's no evidence then.

chazen

4/18/14 11:45am

There is no evidence against it either, and given what certain people thought...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 11:47am

Do you think it was a coincidence he was suspended after his last game....

BengalCougar

4/18/14 11:51am

Uhhh, he basically blew off all of his classes that fall. He would have been

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 11:57am

I am sure that's what some want you to believe.

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:21pm

You have assertions, I have facts. From Lee Benson's "And They

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:23pm

Here's a fact, some people at BYU ignored every thing he did until after he...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:26pm

How did they stop ignoring him after he stopped playing? His

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:32pm

Let's see the proof of this academic record. And again he could have....

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:38pm

It is also okay to realize things turned out the way Jim

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:43pm

my older brother was a student at the Y when McMahon was there...

icecougar

4/18/14 6:10pm

They could have and according to the rules should have kicked him out...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:24pm

Blame Lavell, then. He shielded Jim. I was in school at the time and am

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:29pm

I don't blame Lavell, I give him credit for shielding him as long as he could...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:34pm

That's fine. An honorary degree may have been a good

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:38pm

Sorry, but this line of reasoning makes no sense to me.

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 8:02pm

RE: Sorry, but this line of reasoning makes no sense to me.

BengalCougar

4/18/14 9:16pm

I absolutely agree that his success did huge things for BYU. And I absolutely

LifeLongLakerFan

4/19/14 1:39am

Actually not.

PolarisPrime

4/18/14 2:04pm

RE: Actually not.

BengalCougar

4/18/14 9:19pm

You would have to see the interview with LaVell

PolarisPrime

4/18/14 9:35pm

RE: You would have to see the interview with LaVell

BengalCougar

4/18/14 9:43pm

So what you are saying is that BYU should have told Jimmy Mac,

thirdgencoug

4/18/14 3:22pm

Psst... The fact that there's no evidence to support your viewpoint doesn't give

SuperTank

4/18/14 11:54am

It is a popular notion for those who love Jim and his legacy, and feel the

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:00pm

I have no problem if someone states it as an opinion, but when

chazen

4/18/14 12:05pm

There is, I saw it on an episode of "X-Files", the chain smoking guy had a...

icecougar

4/18/14 5:59pm

Disagree in this case due to mental issues Jimmy Mac has to deal with

Zak

4/18/14 11:59am

I like the rule that players have to graduate to be eligible

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:03pm

I'm wondering if the situation was new to them (having such a rogue, non-

chazen

4/18/14 12:09pm

Signed, Golden Richards

thirdgencoug

4/18/14 3:32pm

Jim doesn't feel that way. He totally admits that he used BYU to get what he

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:16pm

There was definitely mutual usage

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:18pm

How was he "used"? He left on his own. He was likely to be

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:25pm

Because a lot of people turned a blind eye to what he was doign when he...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:30pm

"Academic suspension" and "left on his own" . . . right

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:31pm

Jim's memory after 30 years vs. documented academic evidence and

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:33pm

Documented? Let's see evidence of those incomplete's. let's see the grades.

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:35pm

Ask Lee Benson. He wrote it. Where do you think he got it from?

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:40pm

Not denying he wrote it, just saying him writing it without providing the...

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:43pm

His actual transcripts are probably protected by privacy laws now.

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:45pm

He wrote it 26 years ago when BYU and its fanbase . . .

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:45pm

...and the information was still fresh and accessible. You can contact

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:49pm

How was it accessible? BYU was a private University back then to....

BengalCougar

4/18/14 12:53pm

Why would I sue Lee Benson for libel?

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:56pm

Were you at BYU back then? I was. You are drawing conclusions based

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:58pm

"Belated opinions" - what does that even mean?

CoopDizz

4/18/14 1:32pm

"Used" and "dark mark" don't really seem fitting for what went on.

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 8:09pm

All's well that ends well.

BluePuppy

4/18/14 12:48pm

RE: Props to BYU for sticking to its guns

savagecougar

4/18/14 1:26pm

Right or wrong, once BYU made its rules, they were not going to back down for

Monomachos

4/18/14 1:28pm

Actually props to Tom Holmoe for mending bridges and helping Mac get done what

Yakov

4/18/14 1:35pm

^^^This ^^^

Monomachos

4/18/14 1:37pm

Great Post!!

Cougarpride

4/18/14 1:59pm

I would've been fine with whatever.

Walter Bellhaven

4/18/14 1:59pm

Holmoe said on the radio this morning that they researched it and about half

byubyu

4/18/14 3:05pm

Is it a Hall of Fame for Athletics or Academics? If it's athletics, why should

FierceArc

4/18/14 3:41pm

I think it is silly for you to think they are athletes and not students/athletes

Real G Man

4/18/14 6:13pm

Yeah that's what I said... they're athletes, but not students... Seriously?

FierceArc

4/18/14 6:25pm

I read your comments that the HOF is only for athletics and I have trouble with

Real G Man

4/18/14 6:41pm

I've never heard of athletes getting into a HoF due to their academics.

FierceArc

4/18/14 6:56pm

You can twist what you think I am saying all you want....of course I know they

Real G Man

4/19/14 12:29am

Wow. o you're in the "just get to the NFL son. An education is worthless" camp?

chazen

4/19/14 1:28pm

lol... I'm curious if you and Real G Man are related.

FierceArc

4/21/14 12:28am

Agreed.

Ham

4/18/14 4:27pm

Disagree completely

Smoke Monster

4/18/14 4:45pm

I might agree if BYU didn't hand out honorary degrees.

CougDogg-e-Dogg

4/18/14 4:57pm

I agree and for those who disagree I can only say that I am glad I was reared in

Real G Man

4/18/14 6:16pm

You made the BYU HOF?

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 8:04pm

No, but he made it to the top. Can't you see him looking down on the rest of us?

CougDogg-e-Dogg

4/18/14 8:29pm

Whatever this means.....

Real G Man

4/19/14 12:32am

wow...sensitive

chazen

4/19/14 1:25pm

I don't know if I should laugh or shake my head because I have no idea what

Real G Man

4/19/14 12:32am

Laugh. It was just a joke. That's why I did a little winky thingy.

LifeLongLakerFan

4/19/14 1:30am

Mixed feelings on this but, overall -- would have liked to have seen him in

lightmann

4/18/14 10:18pm

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