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Apr 18, 2014
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NewMexiCoug
Were you at BYU back then? I was. You are drawing conclusions based
on anecdotes and belated opinions.
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Props to BYU for sticking to its guns
chazen
4/18/14 11:04am
I disagree, exceptions need to be made some times. This should have....
BengalCougar
4/18/14 11:07am
And it's not like they are not letting part of the requirements slide already...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 11:16am
I doubt you have to be a member of the church to be in the HOF
chazen
4/18/14 11:38am
You don't, but if I remember correctly you have to be an active and...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 11:41am
I've never heard of that qualification. Seems strange
chazen
4/18/14 11:45am
It is very strange, but I am pretty sure it's part of it. I think the link...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 11:47am
Its not. The requirement is that you have to be a contributing
PolarisPrime
4/18/14 1:53pm
I disagree with this. I'm glad they stuck to the standard. And I'm glad McMahon
LifeLongLakerFan
4/18/14 11:53am
He earned with his on the field play, having a degree means nothing in regards..
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:28pm
BYU can set their HOF standard however they chose
PolarisPrime
4/18/14 1:54pm
I never said they couldn't, or suggested that they shouldn't have those....
BengalCougar
4/18/14 9:11pm
"There are always exceptions"
PolarisPrime
4/18/14 9:14pm
Very sure, and yes there are always exceptions, even at BYU.
BengalCougar
4/18/14 9:17pm
100% agree.
lightmann
4/18/14 10:21pm
I hope that the crowd is sold out and roaring when they induct Jimmy.
Kuga
4/18/14 3:52pm
and as BC had already pointed out ... it wasn't "sticking to a standard"
Michael Skarn
4/18/14 4:53pm
Sorry, but it sounds like BC made that up. Half the schools in CFB have a degree
LifeLongLakerFan
4/18/14 7:51pm
I did not make anything up(link inside)....
BengalCougar
4/18/14 9:09pm
I was referring to the statement that the specific requirement to be a graduate
LifeLongLakerFan
4/19/14 1:25am
RE: I was referring to the statement that the specific requirement to be a
BengalCougar
4/19/14 9:12am
it wasn't bc, it was socalcoug
chazen
4/19/14 1:15pm
The problem is that BYU's reasoning is faulty. IIRC, BYU says it is following
84 Grad
4/18/14 11:17am
They should have done it before the NCAA
AxelDC
4/18/14 11:20am
Are you as upset about Gordon Hudson not being BYU HOF despite being NCAA HOF?
gmj81
4/18/14 1:59pm
I'm glad we don't give these things out like candy, but at the same time wish
Shimmy
4/18/14 11:36am
I disagree. The rule was made in the first place specifically to exclude McMahon
SoCalCoug
4/18/14 11:36am
Can you provide a link to back up your claim?
chazen
4/18/14 11:40am
Sure, because BYU documents that sort of stuff.
SoCalCoug
4/18/14 11:45am
So there's no evidence then.
chazen
4/18/14 11:45am
There is no evidence against it either, and given what certain people thought...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 11:47am
Do you think it was a coincidence he was suspended after his last game....
BengalCougar
4/18/14 11:51am
Uhhh, he basically blew off all of his classes that fall. He would have been
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 11:57am
I am sure that's what some want you to believe.
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:21pm
You have assertions, I have facts. From Lee Benson's "And They
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:23pm
Here's a fact, some people at BYU ignored every thing he did until after he...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:26pm
How did they stop ignoring him after he stopped playing? His
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:32pm
Let's see the proof of this academic record. And again he could have....
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:38pm
It is also okay to realize things turned out the way Jim
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:43pm
my older brother was a student at the Y when McMahon was there...
icecougar
4/18/14 6:10pm
They could have and according to the rules should have kicked him out...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:24pm
Blame Lavell, then. He shielded Jim. I was in school at the time and am
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:29pm
I don't blame Lavell, I give him credit for shielding him as long as he could...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:34pm
That's fine. An honorary degree may have been a good
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:38pm
Sorry, but this line of reasoning makes no sense to me.
LifeLongLakerFan
4/18/14 8:02pm
RE: Sorry, but this line of reasoning makes no sense to me.
BengalCougar
4/18/14 9:16pm
I absolutely agree that his success did huge things for BYU. And I absolutely
LifeLongLakerFan
4/19/14 1:39am
Actually not.
PolarisPrime
4/18/14 2:04pm
RE: Actually not.
BengalCougar
4/18/14 9:19pm
You would have to see the interview with LaVell
PolarisPrime
4/18/14 9:35pm
RE: You would have to see the interview with LaVell
BengalCougar
4/18/14 9:43pm
So what you are saying is that BYU should have told Jimmy Mac,
thirdgencoug
4/18/14 3:22pm
Psst... The fact that there's no evidence to support your viewpoint doesn't give
SuperTank
4/18/14 11:54am
It is a popular notion for those who love Jim and his legacy, and feel the
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:00pm
I have no problem if someone states it as an opinion, but when
chazen
4/18/14 12:05pm
There is, I saw it on an episode of "X-Files", the chain smoking guy had a...
icecougar
4/18/14 5:59pm
Disagree in this case due to mental issues Jimmy Mac has to deal with
Zak
4/18/14 11:59am
I like the rule that players have to graduate to be eligible
CoopDizz
4/18/14 12:03pm
I'm wondering if the situation was new to them (having such a rogue, non-
chazen
4/18/14 12:09pm
Signed, Golden Richards
thirdgencoug
4/18/14 3:32pm
Jim doesn't feel that way. He totally admits that he used BYU to get what he
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:16pm
There was definitely mutual usage
CoopDizz
4/18/14 12:18pm
How was he "used"? He left on his own. He was likely to be
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:25pm
Because a lot of people turned a blind eye to what he was doign when he...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:30pm
"Academic suspension" and "left on his own" . . . right
CoopDizz
4/18/14 12:31pm
Jim's memory after 30 years vs. documented academic evidence and
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:33pm
Documented? Let's see evidence of those incomplete's. let's see the grades.
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:35pm
Ask Lee Benson. He wrote it. Where do you think he got it from?
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:40pm
Not denying he wrote it, just saying him writing it without providing the...
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:43pm
His actual transcripts are probably protected by privacy laws now.
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:45pm
He wrote it 26 years ago when BYU and its fanbase . . .
CoopDizz
4/18/14 12:45pm
...and the information was still fresh and accessible. You can contact
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:49pm
How was it accessible? BYU was a private University back then to....
BengalCougar
4/18/14 12:53pm
Why would I sue Lee Benson for libel?
CoopDizz
4/18/14 12:56pm
Were you at BYU back then? I was. You are drawing conclusions based
NewMexiCoug
4/18/14 12:58pm
"Belated opinions" - what does that even mean?
CoopDizz
4/18/14 1:32pm
"Used" and "dark mark" don't really seem fitting for what went on.
LifeLongLakerFan
4/18/14 8:09pm
All's well that ends well.
BluePuppy
4/18/14 12:48pm
RE: Props to BYU for sticking to its guns
savagecougar
4/18/14 1:26pm
Right or wrong, once BYU made its rules, they were not going to back down for
Monomachos
4/18/14 1:28pm
Actually props to Tom Holmoe for mending bridges and helping Mac get done what
Yakov
4/18/14 1:35pm
^^^This ^^^
Monomachos
4/18/14 1:37pm
Great Post!!
Cougarpride
4/18/14 1:59pm
I would've been fine with whatever.
Walter Bellhaven
4/18/14 1:59pm
Holmoe said on the radio this morning that they researched it and about half
byubyu
4/18/14 3:05pm
Is it a Hall of Fame for Athletics or Academics? If it's athletics, why should
FierceArc
4/18/14 3:41pm
I think it is silly for you to think they are athletes and not students/athletes
Real G Man
4/18/14 6:13pm
Yeah that's what I said... they're athletes, but not students... Seriously?
FierceArc
4/18/14 6:25pm
I read your comments that the HOF is only for athletics and I have trouble with
Real G Man
4/18/14 6:41pm
I've never heard of athletes getting into a HoF due to their academics.
FierceArc
4/18/14 6:56pm
You can twist what you think I am saying all you want....of course I know they
Real G Man
4/19/14 12:29am
Wow. o you're in the "just get to the NFL son. An education is worthless" camp?
chazen
4/19/14 1:28pm
lol... I'm curious if you and Real G Man are related.
FierceArc
4/21/14 12:28am
Agreed.
Ham
4/18/14 4:27pm
Disagree completely
Smoke Monster
4/18/14 4:45pm
I might agree if BYU didn't hand out honorary degrees.
CougDogg-e-Dogg
4/18/14 4:57pm
I agree and for those who disagree I can only say that I am glad I was reared in
Real G Man
4/18/14 6:16pm
You made the BYU HOF?
LifeLongLakerFan
4/18/14 8:04pm
No, but he made it to the top. Can't you see him looking down on the rest of us?
CougDogg-e-Dogg
4/18/14 8:29pm
Whatever this means.....
Real G Man
4/19/14 12:32am
wow...sensitive
chazen
4/19/14 1:25pm
I don't know if I should laugh or shake my head because I have no idea what
Real G Man
4/19/14 12:32am
Laugh. It was just a joke. That's why I did a little winky thingy.
LifeLongLakerFan
4/19/14 1:30am
Mixed feelings on this but, overall -- would have liked to have seen him in
lightmann
4/18/14 10:18pm
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