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Apr 18, 2014
3:41:01pm

FierceArc

Is it a Hall of Fame for Athletics or Academics? If it's athletics, why should

it matter if he graduates? It should only matter that he played. I'm not necessarily saying I disagree with you because the rules for getting in are what they are and all who want to be in should follow the rules.

BUT, I think it's silly that we're talking about a Hall of Fame for athletics, but BYU and other schools will insist that the athlete graduate from the school.

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FierceArc

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Props to BYU for sticking to its guns

chazen

4/18/14 11:04am

I disagree, exceptions need to be made some times. This should have....

4/18/14 11:07am

And it's not like they are not letting part of the requirements slide already...

4/18/14 11:16am

I doubt you have to be a member of the church to be in the HOF

chazen

4/18/14 11:38am

You don't, but if I remember correctly you have to be an active and...

4/18/14 11:41am

I've never heard of that qualification. Seems strange

chazen

4/18/14 11:45am

It is very strange, but I am pretty sure it's part of it. I think the link...

4/18/14 11:47am

Its not. The requirement is that you have to be a contributing

4/18/14 1:53pm

I disagree with this. I'm glad they stuck to the standard. And I'm glad McMahon

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 11:53am

He earned with his on the field play, having a degree means nothing in regards..

4/18/14 12:28pm

BYU can set their HOF standard however they chose

4/18/14 1:54pm

I never said they couldn't, or suggested that they shouldn't have those....

4/18/14 9:11pm

"There are always exceptions"

4/18/14 9:14pm

Very sure, and yes there are always exceptions, even at BYU.

4/18/14 9:17pm

100% agree.

lightmann

4/18/14 10:21pm

I hope that the crowd is sold out and roaring when they induct Jimmy.

Kuga

4/18/14 3:52pm

and as BC had already pointed out ... it wasn't "sticking to a standard"

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 4:53pm

Sorry, but it sounds like BC made that up. Half the schools in CFB have a degree

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 7:51pm

I did not make anything up(link inside)....

4/18/14 9:09pm

I was referring to the statement that the specific requirement to be a graduate

LifeLongLakerFan

4/19/14 1:25am

RE: I was referring to the statement that the specific requirement to be a

4/19/14 9:12am

it wasn't bc, it was socalcoug

chazen

4/19/14 1:15pm

The problem is that BYU's reasoning is faulty. IIRC, BYU says it is following

84 Grad

4/18/14 11:17am

They should have done it before the NCAA

AxelDC

4/18/14 11:20am

Are you as upset about Gordon Hudson not being BYU HOF despite being NCAA HOF?

gmj81

4/18/14 1:59pm

I'm glad we don't give these things out like candy, but at the same time wish

Shimmy

4/18/14 11:36am

I disagree. The rule was made in the first place specifically to exclude McMahon

SoCalCoug

4/18/14 11:36am

Can you provide a link to back up your claim?

chazen

4/18/14 11:40am

Sure, because BYU documents that sort of stuff.

SoCalCoug

4/18/14 11:45am

So there's no evidence then.

chazen

4/18/14 11:45am

There is no evidence against it either, and given what certain people thought...

4/18/14 11:47am

Do you think it was a coincidence he was suspended after his last game....

4/18/14 11:51am

Uhhh, he basically blew off all of his classes that fall. He would have been

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 11:57am

I am sure that's what some want you to believe.

4/18/14 12:21pm

You have assertions, I have facts. From Lee Benson's "And They

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:23pm

Here's a fact, some people at BYU ignored every thing he did until after he...

4/18/14 12:26pm

How did they stop ignoring him after he stopped playing? His

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:32pm

Let's see the proof of this academic record. And again he could have....

4/18/14 12:38pm

It is also okay to realize things turned out the way Jim

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:43pm

my older brother was a student at the Y when McMahon was there...

icecougar

4/18/14 6:10pm

They could have and according to the rules should have kicked him out...

4/18/14 12:24pm

Blame Lavell, then. He shielded Jim. I was in school at the time and am

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:29pm

I don't blame Lavell, I give him credit for shielding him as long as he could...

4/18/14 12:34pm

That's fine. An honorary degree may have been a good

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:38pm

Sorry, but this line of reasoning makes no sense to me.

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 8:02pm

RE: Sorry, but this line of reasoning makes no sense to me.

4/18/14 9:16pm

I absolutely agree that his success did huge things for BYU. And I absolutely

LifeLongLakerFan

4/19/14 1:39am

Actually not.

4/18/14 2:04pm

RE: Actually not.

4/18/14 9:19pm

You would have to see the interview with LaVell

4/18/14 9:35pm

RE: You would have to see the interview with LaVell

4/18/14 9:43pm

So what you are saying is that BYU should have told Jimmy Mac,

thirdgencoug

4/18/14 3:22pm

Psst... The fact that there's no evidence to support your viewpoint doesn't give

SuperTank

4/18/14 11:54am

It is a popular notion for those who love Jim and his legacy, and feel the

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:00pm

I have no problem if someone states it as an opinion, but when

chazen

4/18/14 12:05pm

There is, I saw it on an episode of "X-Files", the chain smoking guy had a...

icecougar

4/18/14 5:59pm

Disagree in this case due to mental issues Jimmy Mac has to deal with

Zak

4/18/14 11:59am

I like the rule that players have to graduate to be eligible

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:03pm

I'm wondering if the situation was new to them (having such a rogue, non-

chazen

4/18/14 12:09pm

Signed, Golden Richards

thirdgencoug

4/18/14 3:32pm

Jim doesn't feel that way. He totally admits that he used BYU to get what he

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:16pm

There was definitely mutual usage

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:18pm

How was he "used"? He left on his own. He was likely to be

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:25pm

Because a lot of people turned a blind eye to what he was doign when he...

4/18/14 12:30pm

"Academic suspension" and "left on his own" . . . right

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:31pm

Jim's memory after 30 years vs. documented academic evidence and

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:33pm

Documented? Let's see evidence of those incomplete's. let's see the grades.

4/18/14 12:35pm

Ask Lee Benson. He wrote it. Where do you think he got it from?

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:40pm

Not denying he wrote it, just saying him writing it without providing the...

4/18/14 12:43pm

His actual transcripts are probably protected by privacy laws now.

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:45pm

He wrote it 26 years ago when BYU and its fanbase . . .

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:45pm

...and the information was still fresh and accessible. You can contact

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:49pm

How was it accessible? BYU was a private University back then to....

4/18/14 12:53pm

Why would I sue Lee Benson for libel?

CoopDizz

4/18/14 12:56pm

Were you at BYU back then? I was. You are drawing conclusions based

NewMexiCoug

4/18/14 12:58pm

"Belated opinions" - what does that even mean?

CoopDizz

4/18/14 1:32pm

"Used" and "dark mark" don't really seem fitting for what went on.

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 8:09pm

All's well that ends well.

BluePuppy

4/18/14 12:48pm

RE: Props to BYU for sticking to its guns

savagecougar

4/18/14 1:26pm

Right or wrong, once BYU made its rules, they were not going to back down for

Monomachos

4/18/14 1:28pm

Actually props to Tom Holmoe for mending bridges and helping Mac get done what

Yakov

4/18/14 1:35pm

^^^This ^^^

Monomachos

4/18/14 1:37pm

Great Post!!

Cougarpride

4/18/14 1:59pm

I would've been fine with whatever.

Walter Bellhaven

4/18/14 1:59pm

Holmoe said on the radio this morning that they researched it and about half

byubyu

4/18/14 3:05pm

Is it a Hall of Fame for Athletics or Academics? If it's athletics, why should

FierceArc

4/18/14 3:41pm

I think it is silly for you to think they are athletes and not students/athletes

Real G Man

4/18/14 6:13pm

Yeah that's what I said... they're athletes, but not students... Seriously?

FierceArc

4/18/14 6:25pm

I read your comments that the HOF is only for athletics and I have trouble with

Real G Man

4/18/14 6:41pm

I've never heard of athletes getting into a HoF due to their academics.

FierceArc

4/18/14 6:56pm

You can twist what you think I am saying all you want....of course I know they

Real G Man

4/19/14 12:29am

Wow. o you're in the "just get to the NFL son. An education is worthless" camp?

chazen

4/19/14 1:28pm

lol... I'm curious if you and Real G Man are related.

FierceArc

4/21/14 12:28am

Agreed.

Ham

4/18/14 4:27pm

Disagree completely

4/18/14 4:45pm

I might agree if BYU didn't hand out honorary degrees.

CougDogg-e-Dogg

4/18/14 4:57pm

I agree and for those who disagree I can only say that I am glad I was reared in

Real G Man

4/18/14 6:16pm

You made the BYU HOF?

LifeLongLakerFan

4/18/14 8:04pm

No, but he made it to the top. Can't you see him looking down on the rest of us?

CougDogg-e-Dogg

4/18/14 8:29pm

Whatever this means.....

Real G Man

4/19/14 12:32am

wow...sensitive

chazen

4/19/14 1:25pm

I don't know if I should laugh or shake my head because I have no idea what

Real G Man

4/19/14 12:32am

Laugh. It was just a joke. That's why I did a little winky thingy.

LifeLongLakerFan

4/19/14 1:30am

Mixed feelings on this but, overall -- would have liked to have seen him in

lightmann

4/18/14 10:18pm

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