First I've heard that football-only w/ B12 was on the table back then. I think

May 17, 2014
10:35:37pm

NewMexiCoug

the fact that the schools that did ultimately join the B12 did so as full members in all sports does hurt that claim, however, or that the B12 ever took it seriously.

But I agree, the B12 did seem on the verge of collapse at times back then.

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bluebrotha

5/17/14 10:21pm

Makes sense. thanks for the info

Hector

5/17/14 10:24pm

Thanks

Idahofallsblue

5/17/14 10:29pm

BYU should have freaking joined when they had the chance. If it doesnt happen,

CougarWarrior

5/17/14 10:30pm

Hindsight is always 20/20...

Florwood

5/17/14 10:35pm

people keep saying this, but it sure seemed pretty dumb at the time.

swingcat

5/17/14 10:44pm

We shouldnt be in a position for hindsight about inclusion.

CougarWarrior

5/17/14 10:46pm

It was obvious at the time

AxelDC

5/18/14 11:18am

What, you'll hunt them down?

thirdgencoug

5/17/14 10:41pm

Yes, thats what i'm going to do.... A lot of fans are going to be pissed if we

CougarWarrior

5/17/14 10:44pm

If the info was right there was never a full invitation, and at the time the

thecthdox

5/18/14 5:49am

RE: BYU should have freaking joined when they had the chance. If it doesnt

steve3125

5/18/14 6:50pm

Those of us who donate or belong to Cougarclub have the right to be concerned

chirocoug

5/18/14 8:08pm

As an opinion only, do you see anything changing in light of SEC/ACC's recent

jkccoug

5/17/14 10:32pm

Either way football is not in a good spot right now. And that might not change

TNT

5/17/14 10:35pm

First I've heard that football-only w/ B12 was on the table back then. I think

NewMexiCoug

5/17/14 10:35pm

How so? BYU would be for football only due to Sunday play. No other school

LifeLongLakerFan

5/17/14 10:48pm

Good point. Three problems, though. First, this is the first time of which I am

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:09pm

The price of rumors

provofan

5/18/14 9:07pm

And what if it collapsed?

AxelDC

5/18/14 11:20am

I am saying I doubt the reality of a football-only option 3 years ago. And why

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:13pm

TCU/WVU don't have Sunday play problems. FB only makes sense for BYU

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/18/14 12:11pm

Which is why TCU/WVU would be more attractive options, unfortunately.

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:14pm

too bad. Seems like some critical mistakes were made by BYU admin.

Blueto

5/17/14 10:35pm

Thanks

UneducatedFan

5/17/14 10:38pm

Good post

WhiteMud

5/17/14 10:46pm

I didn't mind Indy, BUT was very uneasy that things could change in future

byu1

5/17/14 10:48pm

exactly.

swingcat

5/17/14 10:58pm

Stewart Mandel emphasized how much BYU loved independence

messi

5/17/14 11:28pm

Look at MWC and MTN. History of really bad business decisions.

Y'zFan

5/18/14 12:02am

Whose idea was it to 'wait and see'? TH, BOT, Woosh Cecil, all of the above?

Cosmo Kramer

5/17/14 11:02pm

Pretty sure few know for certain although most conjecture is that.....

TNT

5/17/14 11:04pm

#whyihatetntwiththeintensityof 1000burninghotsuns

Cosmo Kramer

5/17/14 11:15pm

The current president was the one who made the decision...

kotacoug

5/17/14 11:12pm

I doubt he was given the authority to make that kind of executive decision.

Cosmo Kramer

5/17/14 11:16pm

Who donyou think the BOT relied upon to make their

kotacoug

5/18/14 5:20am

What difference does it make? It is a fact that the B12 was very unstable during

Rocketman

5/17/14 11:27pm

Ok, then give us your worst case scenario of BYU's place

messi

5/17/14 11:29pm

Yeah. I'd like to hear this as well.

swingcat

5/17/14 11:50pm

Worst case scenario, which was a real possibility and not some far-fetched bad

Rocketman

5/18/14 12:10am

Wrong. Why would Texas and Oklahoma be able to leave and BYU not?

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 12:14am

God forbid BYU end up without a conference. They would have to go independent.

swingcat

5/18/14 1:55am

I thought similar but

SpudCoug

5/18/14 8:26am

Didn't the OP say that the B12 talks were on Football only membership?

mr_thekid

5/18/14 10:04am

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messi

5/17/14 11:31pm

bigger gamble than independence? i think not.

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/18/14 12:14pm

Best insider. Rings true to me too.

lawboy

5/17/14 11:18pm

I think they saw risk, but that they also had a bit of an over elevated opinion

SaltLakeCoug

5/17/14 11:33pm

So basically we can blame Mr. Go Getter Larry Scott

cougarbart

5/17/14 11:31pm

This post made no mention of a train relative to a station.

getemcougs24

5/17/14 11:31pm

I don't buy the "Big 12 was too unstable" argument.

sportsfanwife04

5/17/14 11:50pm

At the risk of souring BYU's relationship with ESPN?

TheDeek

5/17/14 11:55pm

ESPN is too big to hold a grudge...

swingcat

5/18/14 12:03am

Arrogant and self-centered, narcissist businessmen can and do hold personal

Rocketman

5/18/14 12:14am

BYU and the MWC snubbed ESPN for the Mtn Network. ESPN then signed up BYU,

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/18/14 12:21pm

Of course ESPN signed BYU, they got 'em for a bargain price!

TheDeek

5/19/14 12:33am

Do you have some evidence of this supposed Bargain?

PolarisPrime

5/19/14 12:51am

Eh. Still don't buy it. If BYU joins the Big 12, then Texas, Oklahoma,

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 12:13am

BYU would have had about a 20 million dollar

PolarisPrime

5/18/14 12:56am

You mean go back to Indy, not go Indy.

BYUHgrad

5/18/14 2:49am

From what I have heard there is a clause in the contract

PolarisPrime

5/18/14 11:25am

Why would they be stuck? This is myth. This is used to try to defend BYU.

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 11:42am

Exactly how I see it.

messi

5/18/14 12:20pm

Ummm.... Read 2 posts back

PolarisPrime

5/18/14 10:05pm

Personally, I think heads should roll if we turned down Big 12 for Indy.

Blue Ghost

5/18/14 2:28am

The exact opposite happened Worthen who was the lead counsel

kotacoug

5/18/14 5:27am

This does not bode well for the future if there are latent grudges

JackStack

5/18/14 4:52pm

You can't fire Apostles

TheDeek

5/18/14 8:05am

No you can't, hoping it was made down from BOT

Blue Ghost

5/18/14 8:10am

You think ESPN would be happy with that?

Y4LYFE

5/18/14 7:37am

Thanks for sharing

Real Men Wear Blue

5/17/14 11:51pm

Thanks for posting on the general board!!!

Bluedomination

5/17/14 11:51pm

Second to last paragraph is puzzling.

Y'zFan

5/17/14 11:58pm

You LOST me at partial membership for FB ONLY because....

LEDSFW

5/18/14 12:04am

Hope this is true.

Walter Bellhaven

5/18/14 12:04am

Sounds like BYU's priority was independence during talks with the Big12

swingcat

5/18/14 12:08am

Finally, a post from someone who is actually somewhat in the know

Italics

5/18/14 12:34am

Thanks for the shout out!

shoganai

5/18/14 9:01am

if it makes you feel better, it wasn't aimed specifically at you

Italics

5/18/14 1:41pm

Why would we do football only? Do we want to stay in the WCC?

chazen

5/18/14 12:53am

Sunday play? Easier access to the tourney? Better travel? Better destinations?

TrueAndBlue

5/18/14 12:55am

Forgot about Sundays for other sports.

chazen

5/18/14 12:53pm

It may not be up to us. If FB-only is what is offered to resolve the Sunday-

LifeLongLakerFan

5/18/14 8:39am

Tidbits translation:

provofan

5/18/14 1:10am

So does that mean

Oldcougfan

5/18/14 8:49am

It means

provofan

5/18/14 9:31am

Put up or shut up

DapperDan

5/18/14 9:39am

I actually really enjoy reading what the insiders have to say.

Idahofallsblue

5/18/14 9:48am

Because it's pathetic to watch everyone get their hopes up

cougarbart

5/18/14 10:01am

You go girl!

WDaddy

5/18/14 10:09am

It's exactly this type of reaction

cougarbart

5/18/14 10:18am

So is this an admission that you know nothing or do you know things that

Y'zFan

5/18/14 10:07am

Care to share which part of the post is incorrect?

mr_thekid

5/18/14 10:08am

Holy yewt! Finally somebody on CB "in the know" shares some tidbits...

AntiSNOT

5/18/14 3:08am

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East1999

5/18/14 8:01am

One question:

lawboy

5/18/14 8:47am

I genuinely think bluebrotha has better info than I do, but...

shoganai

5/18/14 9:04am

Same reason why they say they don't have a scholarship

kotacoug

5/18/14 9:09am

And what reason is that?

shoganai

5/18/14 9:11am

save face, sabbath day excuse is above reproach

kotacoug

5/18/14 11:00am

It has been explained

byujay13

5/18/14 9:10am

Football-only an issue when other suitors will come in as full members, and

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:25pm

This ^

provofan

5/18/14 9:20am

Some possibilities maybe.

Y'zFan

5/18/14 10:13am

Coud be possible, unless their bylaws didn't allow for football only, as was

Undefeated

5/18/14 10:18am

He never said that with respect to B12 only did he?

lawboy

5/18/14 11:10am

The math doesn't add up when you consider Bronco is saying Sunday play mattered

JamesDean

5/18/14 11:19am

same reason we are told there is no demand for caffeinated drinks.

swingcat

5/18/14 12:50pm

TH has said in an interview before that sunday play was not an issue.

Bluedomination

5/18/14 1:13pm

Travel costs. Also here is a transcript of TH saying that basically everyone

rainorsnow

5/18/14 5:45pm

Not sure Bronco knows . . . was he involved? Why would he be?

jkccoug

5/18/14 7:42pm

He may have been referring to the Pac12 when talking about Sunday play

byusage

5/18/14 8:35pm

The proof is in the pudding...we are not scheduling 5-7 games against P5 teams

richvan

5/18/14 9:57am

Playoff chances as an Indy are 0.0000000000000000000000000000 01%.

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 12:38pm

This doesn't square with this:

Undefeated

5/18/14 10:00am

it's called saving face

kotacoug

5/18/14 11:27am

Citation?

AxelDC

5/18/14 11:15am

Thanks for the info...please keep us posted

chirocoug

5/18/14 1:04pm

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