Stewart Mandel emphasized how much BYU loved independence

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May 17, 2014
11:28:23pm

messi

when this was all going down.

Unbelievably short-sighted.

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bluebrotha

5/17/14 10:21pm

Makes sense. thanks for the info

Hector

5/17/14 10:24pm

Thanks

Idahofallsblue

5/17/14 10:29pm

BYU should have freaking joined when they had the chance. If it doesnt happen,

CougarWarrior

5/17/14 10:30pm

Hindsight is always 20/20...

Florwood

5/17/14 10:35pm

people keep saying this, but it sure seemed pretty dumb at the time.

swingcat

5/17/14 10:44pm

We shouldnt be in a position for hindsight about inclusion.

CougarWarrior

5/17/14 10:46pm

It was obvious at the time

AxelDC

5/18/14 11:18am

What, you'll hunt them down?

thirdgencoug

5/17/14 10:41pm

Yes, thats what i'm going to do.... A lot of fans are going to be pissed if we

CougarWarrior

5/17/14 10:44pm

If the info was right there was never a full invitation, and at the time the

thecthdox

5/18/14 5:49am

RE: BYU should have freaking joined when they had the chance. If it doesnt

steve3125

5/18/14 6:50pm

Those of us who donate or belong to Cougarclub have the right to be concerned

chirocoug

5/18/14 8:08pm

As an opinion only, do you see anything changing in light of SEC/ACC's recent

jkccoug

5/17/14 10:32pm

Either way football is not in a good spot right now. And that might not change

TNT

5/17/14 10:35pm

First I've heard that football-only w/ B12 was on the table back then. I think

NewMexiCoug

5/17/14 10:35pm

How so? BYU would be for football only due to Sunday play. No other school

LifeLongLakerFan

5/17/14 10:48pm

Good point. Three problems, though. First, this is the first time of which I am

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:09pm

The price of rumors

provofan

5/18/14 9:07pm

And what if it collapsed?

AxelDC

5/18/14 11:20am

I am saying I doubt the reality of a football-only option 3 years ago. And why

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:13pm

TCU/WVU don't have Sunday play problems. FB only makes sense for BYU

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/18/14 12:11pm

Which is why TCU/WVU would be more attractive options, unfortunately.

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:14pm

too bad. Seems like some critical mistakes were made by BYU admin.

Blueto

5/17/14 10:35pm

Thanks

UneducatedFan

5/17/14 10:38pm

Good post

WhiteMud

5/17/14 10:46pm

I didn't mind Indy, BUT was very uneasy that things could change in future

byu1

5/17/14 10:48pm

exactly.

swingcat

5/17/14 10:58pm

Stewart Mandel emphasized how much BYU loved independence

messi

5/17/14 11:28pm

Look at MWC and MTN. History of really bad business decisions.

Y'zFan

5/18/14 12:02am

Whose idea was it to 'wait and see'? TH, BOT, Woosh Cecil, all of the above?

Cosmo Kramer

5/17/14 11:02pm

Pretty sure few know for certain although most conjecture is that.....

TNT

5/17/14 11:04pm

#whyihatetntwiththeintensityof 1000burninghotsuns

Cosmo Kramer

5/17/14 11:15pm

The current president was the one who made the decision...

kotacoug

5/17/14 11:12pm

I doubt he was given the authority to make that kind of executive decision.

Cosmo Kramer

5/17/14 11:16pm

Who donyou think the BOT relied upon to make their

kotacoug

5/18/14 5:20am

What difference does it make? It is a fact that the B12 was very unstable during

Rocketman

5/17/14 11:27pm

Ok, then give us your worst case scenario of BYU's place

messi

5/17/14 11:29pm

Yeah. I'd like to hear this as well.

swingcat

5/17/14 11:50pm

Worst case scenario, which was a real possibility and not some far-fetched bad

Rocketman

5/18/14 12:10am

Wrong. Why would Texas and Oklahoma be able to leave and BYU not?

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 12:14am

God forbid BYU end up without a conference. They would have to go independent.

swingcat

5/18/14 1:55am

I thought similar but

SpudCoug

5/18/14 8:26am

Didn't the OP say that the B12 talks were on Football only membership?

mr_thekid

5/18/14 10:04am

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messi

5/17/14 11:31pm

bigger gamble than independence? i think not.

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/18/14 12:14pm

Best insider. Rings true to me too.

lawboy

5/17/14 11:18pm

I think they saw risk, but that they also had a bit of an over elevated opinion

SaltLakeCoug

5/17/14 11:33pm

So basically we can blame Mr. Go Getter Larry Scott

cougarbart

5/17/14 11:31pm

This post made no mention of a train relative to a station.

getemcougs24

5/17/14 11:31pm

I don't buy the "Big 12 was too unstable" argument.

sportsfanwife04

5/17/14 11:50pm

At the risk of souring BYU's relationship with ESPN?

TheDeek

5/17/14 11:55pm

ESPN is too big to hold a grudge...

swingcat

5/18/14 12:03am

Arrogant and self-centered, narcissist businessmen can and do hold personal

Rocketman

5/18/14 12:14am

BYU and the MWC snubbed ESPN for the Mtn Network. ESPN then signed up BYU,

SaintGeorgeYFan

5/18/14 12:21pm

Of course ESPN signed BYU, they got 'em for a bargain price!

TheDeek

5/19/14 12:33am

Do you have some evidence of this supposed Bargain?

PolarisPrime

5/19/14 12:51am

Eh. Still don't buy it. If BYU joins the Big 12, then Texas, Oklahoma,

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 12:13am

BYU would have had about a 20 million dollar

PolarisPrime

5/18/14 12:56am

You mean go back to Indy, not go Indy.

BYUHgrad

5/18/14 2:49am

From what I have heard there is a clause in the contract

PolarisPrime

5/18/14 11:25am

Why would they be stuck? This is myth. This is used to try to defend BYU.

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 11:42am

Exactly how I see it.

messi

5/18/14 12:20pm

Ummm.... Read 2 posts back

PolarisPrime

5/18/14 10:05pm

Personally, I think heads should roll if we turned down Big 12 for Indy.

Blue Ghost

5/18/14 2:28am

The exact opposite happened Worthen who was the lead counsel

kotacoug

5/18/14 5:27am

This does not bode well for the future if there are latent grudges

JackStack

5/18/14 4:52pm

You can't fire Apostles

TheDeek

5/18/14 8:05am

No you can't, hoping it was made down from BOT

Blue Ghost

5/18/14 8:10am

You think ESPN would be happy with that?

Y4LYFE

5/18/14 7:37am

Thanks for sharing

Real Men Wear Blue

5/17/14 11:51pm

Thanks for posting on the general board!!!

Bluedomination

5/17/14 11:51pm

Second to last paragraph is puzzling.

Y'zFan

5/17/14 11:58pm

You LOST me at partial membership for FB ONLY because....

LEDSFW

5/18/14 12:04am

Hope this is true.

Walter Bellhaven

5/18/14 12:04am

Sounds like BYU's priority was independence during talks with the Big12

swingcat

5/18/14 12:08am

Finally, a post from someone who is actually somewhat in the know

Italics

5/18/14 12:34am

Thanks for the shout out!

shoganai

5/18/14 9:01am

if it makes you feel better, it wasn't aimed specifically at you

Italics

5/18/14 1:41pm

Why would we do football only? Do we want to stay in the WCC?

chazen

5/18/14 12:53am

Sunday play? Easier access to the tourney? Better travel? Better destinations?

TrueAndBlue

5/18/14 12:55am

Forgot about Sundays for other sports.

chazen

5/18/14 12:53pm

It may not be up to us. If FB-only is what is offered to resolve the Sunday-

LifeLongLakerFan

5/18/14 8:39am

Tidbits translation:

provofan

5/18/14 1:10am

So does that mean

Oldcougfan

5/18/14 8:49am

It means

provofan

5/18/14 9:31am

Put up or shut up

DapperDan

5/18/14 9:39am

I actually really enjoy reading what the insiders have to say.

Idahofallsblue

5/18/14 9:48am

Because it's pathetic to watch everyone get their hopes up

cougarbart

5/18/14 10:01am

You go girl!

WDaddy

5/18/14 10:09am

It's exactly this type of reaction

cougarbart

5/18/14 10:18am

So is this an admission that you know nothing or do you know things that

Y'zFan

5/18/14 10:07am

Care to share which part of the post is incorrect?

mr_thekid

5/18/14 10:08am

Holy yewt! Finally somebody on CB "in the know" shares some tidbits...

AntiSNOT

5/18/14 3:08am

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East1999

5/18/14 8:01am

One question:

lawboy

5/18/14 8:47am

I genuinely think bluebrotha has better info than I do, but...

shoganai

5/18/14 9:04am

Same reason why they say they don't have a scholarship

kotacoug

5/18/14 9:09am

And what reason is that?

shoganai

5/18/14 9:11am

save face, sabbath day excuse is above reproach

kotacoug

5/18/14 11:00am

It has been explained

byujay13

5/18/14 9:10am

Football-only an issue when other suitors will come in as full members, and

NewMexiCoug

5/18/14 8:25pm

This ^

provofan

5/18/14 9:20am

Some possibilities maybe.

Y'zFan

5/18/14 10:13am

Coud be possible, unless their bylaws didn't allow for football only, as was

Undefeated

5/18/14 10:18am

He never said that with respect to B12 only did he?

lawboy

5/18/14 11:10am

The math doesn't add up when you consider Bronco is saying Sunday play mattered

JamesDean

5/18/14 11:19am

same reason we are told there is no demand for caffeinated drinks.

swingcat

5/18/14 12:50pm

TH has said in an interview before that sunday play was not an issue.

Bluedomination

5/18/14 1:13pm

Travel costs. Also here is a transcript of TH saying that basically everyone

rainorsnow

5/18/14 5:45pm

Not sure Bronco knows . . . was he involved? Why would he be?

jkccoug

5/18/14 7:42pm

He may have been referring to the Pac12 when talking about Sunday play

byusage

5/18/14 8:35pm

The proof is in the pudding...we are not scheduling 5-7 games against P5 teams

richvan

5/18/14 9:57am

Playoff chances as an Indy are 0.0000000000000000000000000000 01%.

sportsfanwife04

5/18/14 12:38pm

This doesn't square with this:

Undefeated

5/18/14 10:00am

it's called saving face

kotacoug

5/18/14 11:27am

Citation?

AxelDC

5/18/14 11:15am

Thanks for the info...please keep us posted

chirocoug

5/18/14 1:04pm

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