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Mission legs are a myth. If a player is going to be really good then he'll be
Odysseus
Mar 26, 3:38pm
I'd give a kid a 3 week acclimation during the season. After that, a kid should
Jwine21
Mar 26, 3:40pm
He has six months, from May to November.
Bullrider
Mar 26, 9:19pm
Having served a mission, I think you are wrong. I could dunk a ball prior to my
BYU-Ite
Mar 26, 3:41pm
Your parents raised the hoop from 8' to 10'. Sorry to break the news to you now.
foofcoug
Mar 26, 3:43pm
Probably true! I knew something looked different....
BYU-Ite
Mar 26, 3:49pm
Similar to my experience.
CougarBreath
Mar 26, 3:48pm
Hmmm...I could dunk before, during, and after. My free throws needed some work
Doogal McCougar
Mar 26, 4:57pm
Dallin?
palangi
Mar 26, 5:49pm
Yep. It took me almost a year to be fully back.
j20
Mar 27, 9:57am
Not according to my user notes
RealTaysomHill
Mar 28, 10:23pm
And Shawn Bradley's rookie season was about average for the rest of his career
Odysseus
Mar 26, 3:41pm
For guards it’s a combination. The body does need some time but the handles take
CougGolf
Mar 26, 3:51pm
Good or not the reality is that missions hurt development. A guy can
JAGA97
Mar 26, 4:01pm
It comes back quickly - quick enough that there’s not much data to suggest that
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:18pm
Unless you count all those guys that came back and sucked, didn't make a roster
JAGA97
Mar 26, 4:35pm
Maybe. But there are a lot of guys who played as a freshman, went on a mission,
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:39pm
Sure. Most guys don't have their best season as freshmen. I served missions with
JAGA97
Mar 26, 4:54pm
Holy smokes Batman, we have decades of data showing missions take a huge toll
Mitty
Mar 26, 8:33pm
BYU, U, USU, SUU, WSU coaches all have a significatn RM settling in period. They would disagree with the "myth" claim..
Hammurabi
Mar 27, 7:18pm
It also depends on the player, where they go, if they have access to basketball,
baishel44
Mar 26, 7:06pm
But how good would you have been if you played/trained 4 hours every day
JAGA97
Mar 27, 12:58pm
Most likely better yes, but I can't say for sure, But reason says most likely.
baishel44
Mar 27, 1:48pm
A lot of it has to do with where they serve. Chandler is in Europe not the jungle so I'm not too worried
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 4:14pm
Don't agree. Min 3 mths. Most 6-12. Everyone I played with that went on
FT487
Mar 26, 4:16pm
That’s definitely the theory, so I was surprised to see the mission had very
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:27pm
When did they come home? I came home the first of March so I had about 7 mths
FT487
Mar 26, 4:31pm
I'll make an obvious statement. Every body is different. I was a better athlete
Nagurski
Mar 27, 9:24am
What about all the RMs that flamed out or were just ok post mission?
Dr T-bone
Mar 26, 4:38pm
RE: What about all the RMs that flamed out or were just ok post mission?
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:40pm
Just wondering? Who are the players that flamed out after their missions?
Bullrider
Mar 26, 9:24pm
Is there data on the more you work out and the more you practice
CougaRR4L
Mar 26, 4:52pm
Not so fast my friend ...
icecougar
Mar 26, 4:59pm
And then there's Devin Durrant
Les IsMore
Mar 26, 6:24pm
And Michael Smith, who was a 6'8" center before his mission, and came back at
84 natlchamps
Mar 26, 6:37pm
He was my favorite player on the basketball team for a while, but
Belboz
Mar 27, 8:53am
that dude could ball
Croweater
Mar 26, 7:39pm
ponderize on that
baldcoug74
Mar 26, 9:47pm
Lol! Durrant can never get away from we ponderizers. 😉
Les IsMore
Mar 27, 10:02am
That team needed him to score more than the one pre-mission.
LeGrandBleu
Mar 27, 12:11am
It’s more than just legs. I know multiple athletes who played pre mission and
King of Y
Mar 26, 6:46pm
And then we have all those head coaches that complain about our old 'mature'
84 natlchamps
Mar 26, 6:49pm
lol! Not a myth.
First-n-10
Mar 26, 6:55pm
How many of those you named also played a year before serving? That plays a big part as well.
RoaroftheCougartails
Mar 26, 7:20pm
All but the first 3 listed. The fact that they all picked up where they left off
Odysseus
Mar 26, 7:34pm
This is such a bad take. I lost 40 lbs on my mission. I was never the same
bookofdaniel
Mar 26, 8:19pm
Yep.
King of Y
Mar 26, 8:30pm
Opposite for me, that’s why I think it’s different for everyone and it’s hard to
baishel44
Mar 26, 8:52pm
Agreed. So much depends on the person.
Cougstreak
Mar 27, 9:32am
Yeah I served over seas and never worked out. My freshman season was way
bookofdaniel
Mar 27, 3:39pm
LOL "here are the best RMs we've had, missions did not affect them"
Mitty
Mar 26, 8:35pm
Right. The context is people saying Colin Chandler will need a year or so to get
Odysseus
Mar 26, 9:00pm
Pretty comprehensive list there. Or did you cherry pick the easy ones
niqmadu
Mar 26, 9:07pm
Feel free to share a contrary example
Odysseus
Mar 26, 9:37pm
This is humorous. You are the one trying to establish a point
niqmadu
Mar 27, 6:54am
The data is cherry-picked in one way: I limited it to fairly recent players who
Odysseus
Mar 27, 8:14am
you are the one showing up with "facts" and making a huge claim. fix it yourself
niqmadu
Mar 27, 1:38pm
No, there isn’t a flaw in the data or the methodology. It’s hard to find a
Odysseus
Mar 27, 2:21pm
...so lets exclude EVERYONE who was highly rated before the mission but did not
niqmadu
Mar 27, 5:25pm
It wouldn’t make sense to include RMs who were never good at BYU we don’t know
Odysseus
Mar 27, 5:36pm
The more I think about this, the more I realize freedom of speech has
King of Y
Mar 26, 11:35pm
Indeed. Some people are hostile to data that contradicts preconceived notions
Odysseus
Mar 27, 8:16am
Using outliers as your data set is not a sound use of statistical analysis.
King of Y
Mar 27, 10:20am
RE: Using outliers as your data set is not a sound use of statistical analysis.
Odysseus
Mar 27, 10:32am
You literally took only took good players who had good years and claim it proves
King of Y
Mar 27, 2:44pm
I’m only looking at RMs who had good careers at BYU. That’s the group I care
Odysseus
Mar 27, 3:18pm
Yep, only the ones who support your claim.
niqmadu
Mar 27, 5:27pm
Not at all. There could be plenty of players who struggled right after their
Odysseus
Mar 27, 5:43pm
Coaches and trainers disagree vehemently. Takes about a year to get explosiveness back
Hammurabi
Mar 26, 11:45pm
Sure, so there should be a lot of easy data points to support the argument.
Odysseus
Mar 27, 8:10am
Your "data" doesn't prove anything about the group as a whole...just stop
coug10278
Mar 27, 9:36am
I do not agree. When I came off my mission it took me some time...
Big-Q
Mar 27, 8:43am
This is easier to accurately track with track athletes. Specifically measured absolute performances show you are wrong.
Joe Banks
Mar 27, 9:13am
I’d be curious to see what it looks like for other sports. B-ball surprised me
Odysseus
Mar 27, 9:27am
Somewhat relevant to your point is that BB is a winter sport.
Joe Banks
Mar 27, 9:39am
I've got a son that will be getting home at the end of summer..I will be curious
baishel44
Mar 27, 1:55pm
Jared Ward nearly gave up running after his mission because he felt so far away
TailgateU
Mar 27, 5:44pm
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