Unless you count all those guys that came back and sucked, didn't make a roster

Mar 26, 2024
4:35:10pm

JAGA97 All-American

or get any playing time. The guys you show are the outliers in this scenario who were able to get significant playing time.

It is very likely that if they didn't have their training interrupted they would have been better.

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JAGA97

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Mission legs are a myth. If a player is going to be really good then he'll be

Odysseus

Mar 26, 3:38pm

I'd give a kid a 3 week acclimation during the season. After that, a kid should

Jwine21

Mar 26, 3:40pm

He has six months, from May to November.

Bullrider

Mar 26, 9:19pm

Having served a mission, I think you are wrong. I could dunk a ball prior to my

BYU-Ite

Mar 26, 3:41pm

Your parents raised the hoop from 8' to 10'. Sorry to break the news to you now.

foofcoug

Mar 26, 3:43pm

Probably true! I knew something looked different....

BYU-Ite

Mar 26, 3:49pm

Similar to my experience.

CougarBreath

Mar 26, 3:48pm

Hmmm...I could dunk before, during, and after. My free throws needed some work

Doogal McCougar

Mar 26, 4:57pm

Dallin?

palangi

Mar 26, 5:49pm

Yep. It took me almost a year to be fully back.

j20

Mar 27, 9:57am

Not according to my user notes

RealTaysomHill

Mar 28, 10:23pm

And Shawn Bradley's rookie season was about average for the rest of his career

Odysseus

Mar 26, 3:41pm

Where's Saunders?

kimdaddy35

Mar 26, 3:42pm

I wouldn't put him in the "really good" category yet, but hopefully he is one we

Odysseus

Mar 26, 3:47pm

Saunders was probably our best player at the end of this year. Not sure how Hall

kimdaddy35

Mar 26, 3:53pm

I totally agree with this. The only difference I see is that Hall has filled a

PumaFanatico

Mar 26, 10:56pm

For guards it’s a combination. The body does need some time but the handles take

CougGolf

Mar 26, 3:51pm

Good or not the reality is that missions hurt development. A guy can

JAGA97

Mar 26, 4:01pm

It comes back quickly - quick enough that there’s not much data to suggest that

Odysseus

Mar 26, 4:18pm

Unless you count all those guys that came back and sucked, didn't make a roster

JAGA97

Mar 26, 4:35pm

Maybe. But there are a lot of guys who played as a freshman, went on a mission,

Odysseus

Mar 26, 4:39pm

Sure. Most guys don't have their best season as freshmen. I served missions with

JAGA97

Mar 26, 4:54pm

Holy smokes Batman, we have decades of data showing missions take a huge toll

Mitty

Mar 26, 8:33pm

BYU, U, USU, SUU, WSU coaches all have a significatn RM settling in period. They would disagree with the "myth" claim..

Hammurabi

Mar 27, 7:18pm

It also depends on the player, where they go, if they have access to basketball,

baishel44

Mar 26, 7:06pm

But how good would you have been if you played/trained 4 hours every day

JAGA97

Mar 27, 12:58pm

Most likely better yes, but I can't say for sure, But reason says most likely.

baishel44

Mar 27, 1:48pm

A lot of it has to do with where they serve. Chandler is in Europe not the jungle so I'm not too worried

puntersarepeople

Mar 26, 4:14pm

Don't agree. Min 3 mths. Most 6-12. Everyone I played with that went on

FT487

Mar 26, 4:16pm

That’s definitely the theory, so I was surprised to see the mission had very

Odysseus

Mar 26, 4:27pm

When did they come home? I came home the first of March so I had about 7 mths

FT487

Mar 26, 4:31pm

I'll make an obvious statement. Every body is different. I was a better athlete

Nagurski

Mar 27, 9:24am

What about all the RMs that flamed out or were just ok post mission?

Dr T-bone

Mar 26, 4:38pm

RE: What about all the RMs that flamed out or were just ok post mission?

Odysseus

Mar 26, 4:40pm

Just wondering? Who are the players that flamed out after their missions?

Bullrider

Mar 26, 9:24pm

Is there data on the more you work out and the more you practice

CougaRR4L

Mar 26, 4:52pm

Not so fast my friend ...

icecougar

Mar 26, 4:59pm

And then there's Devin Durrant

Les IsMore

Mar 26, 6:24pm

And Michael Smith, who was a 6'8" center before his mission, and came back at

84 natlchamps

Mar 26, 6:37pm

He was my favorite player on the basketball team for a while, but

Belboz

Mar 27, 8:53am

that dude could ball

Croweater

Mar 26, 7:39pm

ponderize on that

baldcoug74

Mar 26, 9:47pm

Lol! Durrant can never get away from we ponderizers. 😉

Les IsMore

Mar 27, 10:02am

That team needed him to score more than the one pre-mission.

LeGrandBleu

Mar 27, 12:11am

It’s more than just legs. I know multiple athletes who played pre mission and

King of Y

Mar 26, 6:46pm

And then we have all those head coaches that complain about our old 'mature'

84 natlchamps

Mar 26, 6:49pm

lol! Not a myth.

First-n-10

Mar 26, 6:55pm

How many of those you named also played a year before serving? That plays a big part as well.

RoaroftheCougartails

Mar 26, 7:20pm

All but the first 3 listed. The fact that they all picked up where they left off

Odysseus

Mar 26, 7:34pm

This is such a bad take. I lost 40 lbs on my mission. I was never the same

bookofdaniel

Mar 26, 8:19pm

Yep.

King of Y

Mar 26, 8:30pm

Opposite for me, that’s why I think it’s different for everyone and it’s hard to

baishel44

Mar 26, 8:52pm

Agreed. So much depends on the person.

Cougstreak

Mar 27, 9:32am

Yeah I served over seas and never worked out. My freshman season was way

bookofdaniel

Mar 27, 3:39pm

LOL "here are the best RMs we've had, missions did not affect them"

Mitty

Mar 26, 8:35pm

Right. The context is people saying Colin Chandler will need a year or so to get

Odysseus

Mar 26, 9:00pm

Pretty comprehensive list there. Or did you cherry pick the easy ones

niqmadu

Mar 26, 9:07pm

Feel free to share a contrary example

Odysseus

Mar 26, 9:37pm

This is humorous. You are the one trying to establish a point

niqmadu

Mar 27, 6:54am

The data is cherry-picked in one way: I limited it to fairly recent players who

Odysseus

Mar 27, 8:14am

you are the one showing up with "facts" and making a huge claim. fix it yourself

niqmadu

Mar 27, 1:38pm

No, there isn’t a flaw in the data or the methodology. It’s hard to find a

Odysseus

Mar 27, 2:21pm

...so lets exclude EVERYONE who was highly rated before the mission but did not

niqmadu

Mar 27, 5:25pm

It wouldn’t make sense to include RMs who were never good at BYU we don’t know

Odysseus

Mar 27, 5:36pm

The more I think about this, the more I realize freedom of speech has

King of Y

Mar 26, 11:35pm

Indeed. Some people are hostile to data that contradicts preconceived notions

Odysseus

Mar 27, 8:16am

Using outliers as your data set is not a sound use of statistical analysis.

King of Y

Mar 27, 10:20am

RE: Using outliers as your data set is not a sound use of statistical analysis.

Odysseus

Mar 27, 10:32am

You literally took only took good players who had good years and claim it proves

King of Y

Mar 27, 2:44pm

I’m only looking at RMs who had good careers at BYU. That’s the group I care

Odysseus

Mar 27, 3:18pm

Yep, only the ones who support your claim.

niqmadu

Mar 27, 5:27pm

Not at all. There could be plenty of players who struggled right after their

Odysseus

Mar 27, 5:43pm

Coaches and trainers disagree vehemently. Takes about a year to get explosiveness back

Hammurabi

Mar 26, 11:45pm

Sure, so there should be a lot of easy data points to support the argument.

Odysseus

Mar 27, 8:10am

Your "data" doesn't prove anything about the group as a whole...just stop

coug10278

Mar 27, 9:36am

I do not agree. When I came off my mission it took me some time...

Big-Q

Mar 27, 8:43am

This is easier to accurately track with track athletes. Specifically measured absolute performances show you are wrong.

Joe Banks

Mar 27, 9:13am

I’d be curious to see what it looks like for other sports. B-ball surprised me

Odysseus

Mar 27, 9:27am

Somewhat relevant to your point is that BB is a winter sport.

Joe Banks

Mar 27, 9:39am

I've got a son that will be getting home at the end of summer..I will be curious

baishel44

Mar 27, 1:55pm

Jared Ward nearly gave up running after his mission because he felt so far away

TailgateU

Mar 27, 5:44pm

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