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Mar 27, 2024
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Odysseus
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Not at all. There could be plenty of players who struggled right after their
missions but were good otherwise.
The only problem is, people are struggling to name even one player that fits that description.
We’ve already named a dozen players whose first seasons post-mission were about as good as any other season they had.
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Mission legs are a myth. If a player is going to be really good then he'll be
Odysseus
Mar 26, 3:38pm
I'd give a kid a 3 week acclimation during the season. After that, a kid should
Jwine21
Mar 26, 3:40pm
He has six months, from May to November.
Bullrider
Mar 26, 9:19pm
Having served a mission, I think you are wrong. I could dunk a ball prior to my
BYU-Ite
Mar 26, 3:41pm
Your parents raised the hoop from 8' to 10'. Sorry to break the news to you now.
foofcoug
Mar 26, 3:43pm
Probably true! I knew something looked different....
BYU-Ite
Mar 26, 3:49pm
Similar to my experience.
CougarBreath
Mar 26, 3:48pm
Hmmm...I could dunk before, during, and after. My free throws needed some work
Doogal McCougar
Mar 26, 4:57pm
Dallin?
palangi
Mar 26, 5:49pm
Yep. It took me almost a year to be fully back.
j20
Mar 27, 9:57am
Not according to my user notes
RealTaysomHill
Mar 28, 10:23pm
And Shawn Bradley's rookie season was about average for the rest of his career
Odysseus
Mar 26, 3:41pm
For guards it’s a combination. The body does need some time but the handles take
CougGolf
Mar 26, 3:51pm
Good or not the reality is that missions hurt development. A guy can
JAGA97
Mar 26, 4:01pm
It comes back quickly - quick enough that there’s not much data to suggest that
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:18pm
Unless you count all those guys that came back and sucked, didn't make a roster
JAGA97
Mar 26, 4:35pm
Maybe. But there are a lot of guys who played as a freshman, went on a mission,
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:39pm
Sure. Most guys don't have their best season as freshmen. I served missions with
JAGA97
Mar 26, 4:54pm
Holy smokes Batman, we have decades of data showing missions take a huge toll
Mitty
Mar 26, 8:33pm
BYU, U, USU, SUU, WSU coaches all have a significatn RM settling in period. They would disagree with the "myth" claim..
Hammurabi
Mar 27, 7:18pm
It also depends on the player, where they go, if they have access to basketball,
baishel44
Mar 26, 7:06pm
But how good would you have been if you played/trained 4 hours every day
JAGA97
Mar 27, 12:58pm
Most likely better yes, but I can't say for sure, But reason says most likely.
baishel44
Mar 27, 1:48pm
A lot of it has to do with where they serve. Chandler is in Europe not the jungle so I'm not too worried
puntersarepeople
Mar 26, 4:14pm
Don't agree. Min 3 mths. Most 6-12. Everyone I played with that went on
FT487
Mar 26, 4:16pm
That’s definitely the theory, so I was surprised to see the mission had very
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:27pm
When did they come home? I came home the first of March so I had about 7 mths
FT487
Mar 26, 4:31pm
I'll make an obvious statement. Every body is different. I was a better athlete
Nagurski
Mar 27, 9:24am
What about all the RMs that flamed out or were just ok post mission?
Dr T-bone
Mar 26, 4:38pm
RE: What about all the RMs that flamed out or were just ok post mission?
Odysseus
Mar 26, 4:40pm
Just wondering? Who are the players that flamed out after their missions?
Bullrider
Mar 26, 9:24pm
Is there data on the more you work out and the more you practice
CougaRR4L
Mar 26, 4:52pm
Not so fast my friend ...
icecougar
Mar 26, 4:59pm
And then there's Devin Durrant
Les IsMore
Mar 26, 6:24pm
And Michael Smith, who was a 6'8" center before his mission, and came back at
84 natlchamps
Mar 26, 6:37pm
He was my favorite player on the basketball team for a while, but
Belboz
Mar 27, 8:53am
that dude could ball
Croweater
Mar 26, 7:39pm
ponderize on that
baldcoug74
Mar 26, 9:47pm
Lol! Durrant can never get away from we ponderizers. 😉
Les IsMore
Mar 27, 10:02am
That team needed him to score more than the one pre-mission.
LeGrandBleu
Mar 27, 12:11am
It’s more than just legs. I know multiple athletes who played pre mission and
King of Y
Mar 26, 6:46pm
And then we have all those head coaches that complain about our old 'mature'
84 natlchamps
Mar 26, 6:49pm
lol! Not a myth.
First-n-10
Mar 26, 6:55pm
How many of those you named also played a year before serving? That plays a big part as well.
RoaroftheCougartails
Mar 26, 7:20pm
All but the first 3 listed. The fact that they all picked up where they left off
Odysseus
Mar 26, 7:34pm
This is such a bad take. I lost 40 lbs on my mission. I was never the same
bookofdaniel
Mar 26, 8:19pm
Yep.
King of Y
Mar 26, 8:30pm
Opposite for me, that’s why I think it’s different for everyone and it’s hard to
baishel44
Mar 26, 8:52pm
Agreed. So much depends on the person.
Cougstreak
Mar 27, 9:32am
Yeah I served over seas and never worked out. My freshman season was way
bookofdaniel
Mar 27, 3:39pm
LOL "here are the best RMs we've had, missions did not affect them"
Mitty
Mar 26, 8:35pm
Right. The context is people saying Colin Chandler will need a year or so to get
Odysseus
Mar 26, 9:00pm
Pretty comprehensive list there. Or did you cherry pick the easy ones
niqmadu
Mar 26, 9:07pm
Feel free to share a contrary example
Odysseus
Mar 26, 9:37pm
This is humorous. You are the one trying to establish a point
niqmadu
Mar 27, 6:54am
The data is cherry-picked in one way: I limited it to fairly recent players who
Odysseus
Mar 27, 8:14am
you are the one showing up with "facts" and making a huge claim. fix it yourself
niqmadu
Mar 27, 1:38pm
No, there isn’t a flaw in the data or the methodology. It’s hard to find a
Odysseus
Mar 27, 2:21pm
...so lets exclude EVERYONE who was highly rated before the mission but did not
niqmadu
Mar 27, 5:25pm
It wouldn’t make sense to include RMs who were never good at BYU we don’t know
Odysseus
Mar 27, 5:36pm
The more I think about this, the more I realize freedom of speech has
King of Y
Mar 26, 11:35pm
Indeed. Some people are hostile to data that contradicts preconceived notions
Odysseus
Mar 27, 8:16am
Using outliers as your data set is not a sound use of statistical analysis.
King of Y
Mar 27, 10:20am
RE: Using outliers as your data set is not a sound use of statistical analysis.
Odysseus
Mar 27, 10:32am
You literally took only took good players who had good years and claim it proves
King of Y
Mar 27, 2:44pm
I’m only looking at RMs who had good careers at BYU. That’s the group I care
Odysseus
Mar 27, 3:18pm
Yep, only the ones who support your claim.
niqmadu
Mar 27, 5:27pm
Not at all. There could be plenty of players who struggled right after their
Odysseus
Mar 27, 5:43pm
Coaches and trainers disagree vehemently. Takes about a year to get explosiveness back
Hammurabi
Mar 26, 11:45pm
Sure, so there should be a lot of easy data points to support the argument.
Odysseus
Mar 27, 8:10am
Your "data" doesn't prove anything about the group as a whole...just stop
coug10278
Mar 27, 9:36am
I do not agree. When I came off my mission it took me some time...
Big-Q
Mar 27, 8:43am
This is easier to accurately track with track athletes. Specifically measured absolute performances show you are wrong.
Joe Banks
Mar 27, 9:13am
I’d be curious to see what it looks like for other sports. B-ball surprised me
Odysseus
Mar 27, 9:27am
Somewhat relevant to your point is that BB is a winter sport.
Joe Banks
Mar 27, 9:39am
I've got a son that will be getting home at the end of summer..I will be curious
baishel44
Mar 27, 1:55pm
Jared Ward nearly gave up running after his mission because he felt so far away
TailgateU
Mar 27, 5:44pm
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