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Jan 8, 2013
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g$
My sister, her boyfriend and me all in seperate incidents
It is not a made up story.
I found out who ratted on me.
My sister and her boyfriend never did, they almost dropped out of BYU they were so upset about it.
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I wish BYU approached the Honor Code like I approach raising my kids
BigYfan
1/8/13 10:25am
good post
Blueto
1/8/13 10:27am
An honor code violation for turning someone in might be a little much
rad dawg
1/8/13 10:28am
My experience with the honor code was far different
Cosmodiar
1/8/13 10:31am
Most here don't have a clue how it works or how it is applied
Mems
1/8/13 10:35am
were you ever called in to meet with the honor code office?
RisinUp
1/8/13 10:39am
I was a tutor for football players in early 90's - knew about some violations,
farsurfer
1/8/13 1:00pm
I must have missed that when I was at BYU. I don't recall thinking about the
HenderCoug
1/8/13 10:28am
Correcto.
Sheikh Djibouti
1/8/13 10:36am
Then you wouldn't know
BigYfan
1/8/13 10:41am
BYU is really good, but could be better, at forcing people to choose the right.
SaltLakeCoug
1/8/13 1:42pm
<< Deleted >>
CougarEyes
1/9/13 7:39am
I think the best way to make sure someone holds to certain standards is to shun
DapperDan
1/8/13 10:29am
Loving shun? Awesome.
CougarFella
1/8/13 2:02pm
RE: I think the best way to make sure someone holds to certain standards is to
gedderdunn
1/9/13 9:33am
The HC office
DapperDan
1/9/13 9:35am
I think there is a lot of faith promoting rumor regarding the evils...
Cougar Insider
1/8/13 10:34am
This is a silly thing to bring up, yet someone always does. BYU was a church
taekwondave
1/8/13 3:13pm
Solid post
goose
1/8/13 10:36am
POTD
RisinUp
1/8/13 10:38am
sure
Belboz
1/8/13 10:39am
I agree. If the rumors were true about Manti Teo I wish Bronco would have
buhlcougar
1/8/13 10:42am
You say if the rumors are true then you ask why we shun sinners. We don't even
Real G Man
1/8/13 10:55am
In terms of shunning sinners I'm talking about the ones we do know.
buhlcougar
1/8/13 10:58am
That my friend is wild speculation, unless you can back it up. You don't know
Real G Man
1/8/13 1:43pm
Not a fan of exploiting people's personal problems for football
aTmcoug
1/8/13 11:56am
How is that exploiting a person's problem? The other colleges are exploiting
buhlcougar
1/8/13 12:24pm
BYU is not the place to come to correct your problems
aTmcoug
1/8/13 12:40pm
If everyone came to BYU with your thoughts in mind then all would be well but we
Real G Man
1/8/13 10:51am
There is something wrong with the Honor Code: It's more restrictive than
PGVikingDad
1/8/13 1:04pm
Well, it should be more difficult to get in, actually, but not as it pertains to
taekwondave
1/8/13 3:19pm
IN what way is the honor code more restrictive
dratax
1/8/13 4:26pm
I'm not talking about working at the temple, but attending.
PGVikingDad
1/8/13 4:41pm
Assuming your description is correct.
dratax
1/8/13 4:49pm
This would cease to be a problem if they simply separated the dress code from
taekwondave
1/8/13 4:53pm
We are all our brothers keepers? Funny twist on the Cain quote, don't you think?
taekwondave
1/8/13 3:18pm
Here's a concrete suggestion... get rid of it.
FierceArc
1/8/13 9:50pm
Everyone has their own bubble
CougAntWave
1/8/13 10:51am
Im with you
vcCoug
1/8/13 5:08pm
Lot of nazis run that place.
Y4LYFE
1/8/13 12:14pm
My experience with the honor code office
yorksama
1/8/13 12:32pm
Hard core delinquent ^^^^^^^^^^
Born2Fish
1/8/13 12:50pm
Seems to me had you gone in there might have been a different end to this
Real G Man
1/8/13 1:48pm
No, it wouldn't have
yorksama
1/8/13 2:09pm
Seems like your real beef is with campus PD, not the honor code office here
Mems
1/8/13 2:18pm
My beef was with both.
yorksama
1/8/13 2:45pm
Sounds like Arnie Lemmon got you
PrisonMike
1/8/13 3:36pm
Give someone a little authority and... unrighteous dominion
frontrowcougar
1/8/13 4:05pm
My paper airplane experience
klay
1/8/13 6:25pm
I've had a lot of situations like this with campus PD
cougarBee
1/8/13 7:38pm
That is a nightmare of a story....
SaltLakeCoug
1/8/13 10:46pm
Good post
Born2Fish
1/8/13 12:44pm
My son left the BYU football program because of the Tattle Tale culture of BYU
raiderhater
1/8/13 12:45pm
Tell him thanks for leaving.
Ragid1
1/8/13 3:11pm
He left because of the tattle tale, I'm more righteous than you attitude.
raiderhater
1/8/13 4:09pm
Let me ask you this
Ragid1
1/9/13 4:30pm
OK Jerk I sure will, your just as bad as the holier than thou kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
raiderhater
1/8/13 4:14pm
LOL- are you really name calling?
bigbluecougar
1/8/13 4:50pm
Oh no, I just am trying to prove a point your going to turn me into CB, see
raiderhater
1/8/13 4:56pm
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bigbluecougar
1/8/13 6:07pm
Troll or snitch?
g$
1/8/13 4:19pm
Neither
Ragid1
1/9/13 4:34pm
Snitch then got it.
g$
1/9/13 4:54pm
I see your point
Ragid1
1/10/13 9:08am
there should be no necessary evils in the honor code
g$
1/10/13 9:32am
Wrong
Ragid1
1/10/13 2:03pm
What makes you think it's your job to confess others' sins to their bishop?
taekwondave
1/10/13 2:30pm
Oh, saying he sounds like a teenage girl isn't offensive at all, no. Way to keep
taekwondave
1/10/13 9:44am
BYU is the training ground for the churches future leaders
g$
1/10/13 10:04am
I think you are putting words in people's mouth and I think calling it a snitch
Real G Man
1/10/13 11:38am
You are proving my point...
g$
1/10/13 1:13pm
Again, G-money wins this one.
taekwondave
1/10/13 2:31pm
not trying to be a jerk, but was he playing?
Ft Worth Cougar
1/8/13 3:31pm
CA boy, not cut out for the holiness factor!
raiderhater
1/8/13 4:59pm
so that would be a no. Thats fine, just curious.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 9:14am
So...has anyone here ever experienced Honor Code "tattling" first-hand?
PGVikingDad
1/8/13 12:58pm
I was tattled on twice - never knew WHO tattled - put on probation both times
dougman82
1/8/13 1:04pm
Happened to me... It's definitely real, not legend.
RisinUp
1/8/13 1:47pm
It does happen and sometimes definitely should happen but I think CB makes a
Real G Man
1/8/13 2:15pm
If you had ever been falsely accused of something serious, I would imagine you
g$
1/8/13 2:45pm
that's fair, but put yourself in the shoes of a girl
Jimmy Rocket
1/8/13 3:02pm
You are guilty until proven innocent... with no way to refute your accuser
g$
1/8/13 3:15pm
You realize the difference between a criminal investigation and a HC...
Accipiter
1/8/13 8:32pm
really? there's a difference?
Jimmy Rocket
1/9/13 8:01am
This is one of the biggest problems with the HCO... You are guilty until proven
RisinUp
1/8/13 3:17pm
lol we posted same thought at almost the same time
g$
1/8/13 3:43pm
The situation where someone comes away from the HC office and views
RisinUp
1/8/13 3:53pm
LOL, so you're telling me that I don't want to be called to the HCO?
baastablue
1/8/13 4:03pm
I think they are neither. Rather, they are incredibly inappropriate in what they
taekwondave
1/8/13 4:14pm
Why would you confess to something you didn't do and why wouldn't you confess
Real G Man
1/8/13 11:07pm
I am saying don't confess in the absence of hard evidence. Think what you
taekwondave
1/9/13 8:09am
Remember, I'm not talking about not confessing to God or your Bishop, I'm
taekwondave
1/9/13 8:11am
Except that you signed a contract to not engage in certain otherwise personal
Accipiter
1/9/13 8:26am
If you are falsely accused it doesn't matter
g$
1/9/13 8:42am
The point, friend, is that they shouldn't make people sign that. Yes, you could
taekwondave
1/9/13 10:28am
So the HC should be more like "guidelines"? That's hilarious.
stoils
1/9/13 12:12pm
No. The HC should include standards of academic integrity. The bedroom, the
taekwondave
1/9/13 1:36pm
I don't understand why you can't get this.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 1:47pm
It wasn't ridiculous before the 1960's and it isn't any more ridiculous now.
taekwondave
1/9/13 1:51pm
In other words, many people, myself included, went to BYU DESPITE the HC, not
taekwondave
1/9/13 1:53pm
you're hard to reason with.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 1:57pm
I think you have a hard time listening. Church standards are fine for the church
taekwondave
1/9/13 2:10pm
I believe that Church standards should be enforced by those in authority to
RisinUp
1/9/13 2:17pm
You nailed it. Thank you for being more eloquent than me.
taekwondave
1/9/13 2:23pm
I understand a little better now, BUT
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 2:35pm
I know what they believe they're accomplishing. I think they're wrong is all.
taekwondave
1/9/13 2:38pm
one more question and I'm done with this.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 2:41pm
I guess it would depend on the commandment.
taekwondave
1/9/13 2:44pm
And even if every single commandment helped make you a better student (and
taekwondave
1/9/13 2:47pm
you know which ones i'm talking about. this is silly. you're a grown man.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 3:00pm
So I take it you mean sexual morality and drugs? I'll tell you what: If you
taekwondave
1/9/13 3:08pm
It isn't the Church's standard they are enforcing. The HC are BYU's. Isn't that
Accipiter
1/9/13 3:51pm
So why would a student be told to write papers over certain talks
RisinUp
1/9/13 3:56pm
Ah yes. I just LOOOOOVED reading those talks and then telling Ed all about it :)
taekwondave
1/9/13 3:57pm
Take away the HC and you have yewtah
stoils
1/10/13 12:03pm
LOL, that's quite the fantasy
DapperDan
1/10/13 12:06pm
Not even close to being true. Clearly you didn't attend either of those schools.
taekwondave
1/10/13 2:32pm
Clearly your deductive reasoning skills are lacking regarding
stoils
1/10/13 5:11pm
All you needed to say was "state school." Don't even pretend that BYU and Utah
taekwondave
1/10/13 7:36pm
That, friend, is ridiculous.
Accipiter
1/9/13 12:22pm
Now if we're talking dress code, that's another matter entirely. BYU could
taekwondave
1/9/13 1:42pm
I agree with you
g$
1/8/13 4:13pm
The fact that you say the tattling is necessary says a lot about you.
UNLVcougar
1/8/13 10:46pm
yeah, happened to me
Jimmy Rocket
1/8/13 2:23pm
How was ANY of that "necessary?" Silly thing to say.
taekwondave
1/8/13 3:46pm
My sister, her boyfriend and me all in seperate incidents
g$
1/8/13 2:32pm
I was evicted for what my roommate THOUGHT my girlfriend and I were doing
taekwondave
1/8/13 3:45pm
WOW. My feelings? It's an HONOR code, so secondhand reports shouldn't be allowed
PGVikingDad
1/8/13 4:27pm
RE: So...has anyone here ever experienced Honor Code "tattling" first-hand?
PowayCoug
1/8/13 5:57pm
Ex-girlfriend's roommate was smoking pot when her roommates weren't home
Y2010
1/9/13 3:13pm
I would say she had to share.
SaltLakeCoug
1/9/13 7:40pm
The Texas A&M honor code includes a line about intolerance of violators
aTmcoug
1/8/13 1:51pm
lol. BM Johnny football
byutx
1/8/13 2:01pm
I lived with the honor code, really, in a house. ;-)
HardManSports
1/8/13 2:21pm
A second thought - People who tattle
HardManSports
1/8/13 2:22pm
I had a sister attending BYU who, to this day, will tell you the only reason
baastablue
1/8/13 2:31pm
+1
Zenoch
1/8/13 3:09pm
If you know someone is doing something morally wrong *but not illegal*, then
PGVikingDad
1/8/13 4:35pm
Cheating on exams is not illegal
dratax
1/8/13 4:56pm
Why the distinction? Whether legal or illegal, the Honor Code prohibits
baastablue
1/8/13 5:05pm
Stop perverting the meaning and intent of that scripture.
taekwondave
1/8/13 5:53pm
RE: I had a sister attending BYU who, to this day, will tell you the only reason
CougarBoard77
1/9/13 12:00am
You're missing my point.
baastablue
1/9/13 8:03am
No Subject
CougarBoard77
1/10/13 8:39am
you're managing a couple of kids. BYU is wrangling 30,000.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/8/13 3:28pm
From my experience, you can be punished for NOT tattling
Riseandshout81
1/8/13 4:04pm
I think your assessment is not an accurate one. I had a family member
PhilPete
1/8/13 4:06pm
As a parent, I want the HC enforced
stoils
1/8/13 4:28pm
Not wanting those kinds of things to happen, and actually taking steps to peek
taekwondave
1/8/13 4:33pm
The peeking isn't the problem... the problem is that there are too many people
stoils
1/8/13 4:47pm
Oh brother. What a stallion you are.
taekwondave
1/8/13 4:53pm
I attended BYU in undergrad and law school, had only one run in with the HC
LV Mike
1/8/13 5:09pm
Absent the honor code BYU is still special. I believe BYU is a special
taekwondave
1/8/13 5:56pm
Agree, it is an honor and privilege to attend BYU
Hang10
1/8/13 7:31pm
I had roommates and friends who bent/broke the honor code
Fatalplacebo
1/8/13 6:11pm
RE: I had roommates and friends who bent/broke the honor code
Shawarma
1/8/13 9:07pm
^^meant for main thread^^
Shawarma
1/8/13 9:19pm
Not just at BYU.
buster
1/8/13 6:29pm
This is how students are typically treated
stonewallperry
1/8/13 7:33pm
Those who report on others should be warned that they will be investigated
Accipiter
1/8/13 8:28pm
I agree. BYU HC seems more like a witch hunt then loving guidance... at least
FierceArc
1/8/13 9:38pm
So you let your prejudices, however right or wrong, possible deny your kids what
Real G Man
1/8/13 11:14pm
Your last sentence is ironic since the HC does just that... dictates what
FierceArc
1/9/13 5:10pm
What a warped sense of the HC you must have. Thousands upon thousands
Real G Man
1/10/13 8:22am
The system itself is offensive. It is culturally inappropriate to peak into
taekwondave
1/10/13 8:31am
No... throw out the system when it's completely unnecessary.
FierceArc
1/10/13 9:47am
I am glad you know it is completely unnecessary ....maybe you ought to share
Real G Man
1/10/13 12:20pm
My arguments are not new. They already know and of course they're not going to
FierceArc
1/10/13 1:12pm
If this is how it works:
dratax
1/9/13 4:19pm
So Brandon Davies would have gone through what he did had he attended
FierceArc
1/9/13 5:12pm
perhaps not national news, but it may be local news
dratax
1/9/13 5:47pm
It wouldn't have been local news any more than some youth in your ward or stake
FierceArc
1/9/13 6:31pm
it wouldn't get the same play today
dratax
1/9/13 9:49pm
That misses the point though. Didnt have to happen at all.
FierceArc
1/9/13 10:14pm
+1 it's time for a change to how the HC is enforced.
swingcat
1/8/13 10:56pm
The Brandon Davies scenario was a disaster.
SaltLakeCoug
1/8/13 11:20pm
TIC?
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 2:37pm
RE: TIC?
SaltLakeCoug
1/9/13 7:43pm
Agreed, but the other side of the coin is exceptions for athletes.
Ft Worth Cougar
1/9/13 8:56pm
Well freaking said
Italics
1/9/13 1:53am
Did everyone go to the same BYU that I did!?
CougarEyes
1/9/13 7:42am
Duke University Community Standard
Y2010
1/9/13 2:58pm
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