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For those interested, the rest of the story...
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:04pm
How did Korihor get put in charge of admissions?
dadofkhec
3/8/18 10:09pm
I don't get it.
korihor
3/9/18 6:18am
Wow. Makes no sense that he qualifies for a scholarship but not for admittance.
Capricious Cougar
3/8/18 10:16pm
I understand that better than him not getting in. Scholarships aren't awarded
gwalker
3/9/18 9:57am
My understanding is he qualified for an academic scholarship.
Capricious Cougar
3/9/18 10:25am
Some of the academic scholarships have a need based component to them
gwalker
3/9/18 10:30am
Mostly the academic scholarships aren't needs based.
CougarMandias
3/9/18 11:50am
Not true of one year full and full year half.
gwalker
3/9/18 7:18pm
Thanks for the update. Sounds like they are doing some type of quota per gpa/act
kotacoug
3/8/18 10:17pm
Could be. Wish we knew.
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:38pm
The people on CB who think there are too many smart kids at BYU
panguitch
3/9/18 8:12am
There is something wrong with the process that he hasn't been admitted. If he - with his qualifications - doesn't get in
Zenoch
3/8/18 10:17pm
If that is the case it would be great to know. BYU has assured us that we will
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:37pm
In the absence of ever knowing, I think the most likely cause
Paco
3/8/18 10:44pm
My bet is on the last one you mentioned. I hate to even think that, but it's
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:51pm
This is harsh but there are a lot of people who resent success
VenetianCougar
3/8/18 10:56pm
What you say is harsh but that doesn't make it less true.
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:08pm
What could a seminary teacher say that would torpedo
kotacoug
3/8/18 11:17pm
We don't know. And we'll never know.
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:40pm
I suggest that he should attend BYU summer semester as a visiting student
TCuz
3/8/18 11:44pm
Why can't you know. Just ask the seminary teacher what they wrote.
jvquarterback
3/9/18 1:32pm
If a bishop can't make comments, why should a seminary teacher be able to?
panguitch
3/9/18 8:15am
A very good question. From my own experience and that of my kids, the quality of
gwalker
3/9/18 10:06am
A seminary teacher having that much power is misguided.
Archaea
3/9/18 1:04pm
Get transferable credits at another university.
Archaea
3/9/18 1:03pm
you're correct--you have none, so this whole line of speculation can do nothing except generate a whole bunch of
BYUtiful
3/9/18 1:09pm
Well, if he has other children that may wish to apply, he is more informed of
Archaea
3/9/18 1:17pm
he's more informed how? he has zero additional insight, just lots of speculation
BYUtiful
3/9/18 1:39pm
He now knows what's involved in the process; he obviously has suspicions
Archaea
3/9/18 5:15pm
Based off of posts last Saturday, lots of kids with lower qualifications got
dilbert
3/8/18 10:55pm
Thanks. So it could have just been a mistake, which seems like the most
Pasadena
3/8/18 10:18pm
I am going to go with clerical error on the ACT test
BIG XII Coug
3/8/18 10:20pm
Well maybe not the case here, it certainly can happen. It wasn't until my wife
unctoothman
3/9/18 7:28am
Let me clarify. They did confirm with us that the grades and ACT score they
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:34pm
Make you wonder what the other teacher said in his review. Would he/she have
kotacoug
3/8/18 10:36pm
Maybe, but doubt it. Whenever I am asked to submit a LoR for admissions or a
unctoothman
3/9/18 6:48am
Yeah, but it could still be they were supposed to throw it in the "yes" pile on
Pasadena
3/8/18 10:38pm
Ah, I see what you were saying. Thanks for clarifying. I would hope that the
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:19pm
Thanks for the update.
BostonCougar
3/8/18 10:19pm
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Pasadena
3/8/18 10:28pm
Please do. I hope it works out for them.
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:35pm
Several uber wealthy donors in our stake failed to persuade admissions last year
bluelands
3/9/18 7:57am
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Pasadena
3/11/18 4:48pm
BYU can change how they evaluate candidates - BUT they have to be very clear and transparent what the changes are
Zenoch
3/11/18 5:08pm
Essays are the easiest part to game.
VenetianCougar
3/11/18 6:30pm
I would put essays at the last. Leadership, recommendations, extracurricular activities, etc should come before essays
Zenoch
3/11/18 6:37pm
Yeah probably true. Both far behind grades and ACT
VenetianCougar
3/11/18 6:58pm
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rivercitycoug
3/8/18 10:39pm
Sounds like we should just expect byu to work like a lottery now.
runnincoug
3/8/18 10:40pm
I find this admissions secrecy very unsettling. Don't we have a right to know
mudpupper
3/8/18 10:42pm
Ecclesiastical endorsement process
Greg Kite's 'stache
3/8/18 10:49pm
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SanDiegoCoug
3/9/18 2:16pm
It's not there anymore
Greg Kite's 'stache
3/9/18 4:10pm
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SanDiegoCoug
3/9/18 4:14pm
Why in the world does a seminary teach get to provide more input than the Bishop
mudpupper
3/8/18 10:52pm
Who spends much more time with the kid? Especially in early morning
byubyu
3/8/18 10:57pm
More time does not equal "know better" in this case
Greg Kite's 'stache
3/8/18 11:04pm
The seminary teacher gets to spend more time with kids, that may not be the time when the kid is at his/ her best.
Texas Hammer
3/9/18 5:39am
Who is entitled to receive inspiration about the kid? This is the only time the
unctoothman
3/9/18 7:16am
I never had a seminary teacher who was close to me
panguitch
3/9/18 8:19am
Probably because Bishop's remarks could be considered
coldcoug
3/9/18 9:33am
Excellent point.
atlcougar
3/9/18 9:45am
So, it seems pretty clear they thought he fell short in one area that was not
idacoug
3/8/18 10:46pm
His GPA was almost a full point below last year's average...
TCuz
3/8/18 10:51pm
A full point? He was at 3.77 right?
VenetianCougar
3/8/18 10:53pm
Probably meant tenth of a point.
soupie
3/8/18 10:55pm
2017 average was 3.86. I said almost. *I did mean a .1 of a point
TCuz
3/8/18 10:55pm
That should not have tipped the scale.
VenetianCougar
3/8/18 10:59pm
Like I said, with a 34 I would've thought it was good enough. But it's a factor
TCuz
3/8/18 11:03pm
I've seen examples like this for years. My guess is that
cujo22
3/9/18 9:30am
yes, people on this board argued for a lottery. Well, you more or less got it.
runnincoug
3/9/18 9:49am
Kid in my ward just got in with a 26 also, and similar GPA.
CougarMandias
3/9/18 9:52am
And then BYU wonders why some students are struggling to
kotacoug
3/8/18 10:55pm
Very good point.
Capricious Cougar
3/9/18 7:43am
Lol. Good luck with transparency.
idacoug
3/8/18 10:56pm
You are correct. His unweighted GPA was below the average. We made a
atlcougar
3/8/18 10:58pm
It's obvious that he checked the boxes academically. Your thoughts on the
Ulysses14
3/9/18 5:13am
Were the harder classes in the form of AP or IB classes?
kccougar
3/9/18 7:20am
They were all AP. Calculus, physics, US Hist, World Hist, etc.
atlcougar
3/9/18 7:37am
Seems like the decision for harder classes paid off with awesome ACT score.
Capricious Cougar
3/9/18 7:44am
Not with the number of AP classes he took
Skeptical Optimist
3/9/18 5:51am
Something else sealed the deal, but I agree GPA must have been a factor.
JuicyJam
3/9/18 6:36am
I bet less than 5% of incoming freshman at BYU have over a 3.9 unweighted with
unctoothman
3/9/18 6:55am
True many kids probably couldn't take 11 AP classes even if they wanted to.
JuicyJam
3/9/18 7:04am
I think he could have been valedictorian and it wouldn't have mattered.
VenetianCougar
3/9/18 7:11am
Yup, that has to be it. Choose your recommendations carefully!
Skeptical Optimist
3/9/18 7:11am
Could be. Unfortunately we don't really know anything.
JuicyJam
3/9/18 7:25am
We called last fall about this and were told that AP classes tremendously help
Skeptical Optimist
3/9/18 7:11am
I'm still angry on your behalf. So insane.
VenetianCougar
3/8/18 10:51pm
Sounds to me like BYU has become elitist. I'd go to Yale and in my graduation
BYUALWAYSNUM1
3/8/18 10:58pm
Funny you mention Yale. We just found out tonight that a running back from our
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:01pm
Actually, it sounds like they haven't. Rumors of "holistic" approach and not
fattycoug
3/9/18 2:17am
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means
StantonMac
3/9/18 9:10am
Oh, he's a nerd. He does a mean Homestar Runner impression.
atlcougar
3/9/18 9:30am
Interesting and scary. Thank you for sharing and tone.
Tango
3/8/18 11:08pm
Hopefully your son has a similar attitude as you
boorad
3/8/18 11:08pm
What a great story. We've had so many others reach out to us with similar
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:16pm
I sincerely hope they don't start using the essays and recommendations as the primary factor in admissions.
NihonCougar
3/8/18 11:20pm
I'm with you. I even had a fellow CBer read his essays a few days ago to see if
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:45pm
100% agreed. For me, your son was an auto admit. Had he been a border-line
byuwahoo
3/9/18 11:32am
The essay rewards BSers and kids whose admission coaches massage it
CougarMandias
3/9/18 9:59am
More and more people are having essays professional 'reviewed'
kotacoug
3/9/18 10:42am
That’s my concern with college essays. They reward kids who are coached.
Paco
3/9/18 10:51am
of course, the same is true with grades and ACT scores too. Those with coaching
runnincoug
3/9/18 11:26am
Yeah, but worse with essays. Much worse IMO.
Paco
3/9/18 11:46am
Perhaps we erred by not reviewing his essays or seeking out a coach. I didn't
atlcougar
3/9/18 11:44am
Good for you.
CougarMandias
3/9/18 11:52am
RE: Perhaps we erred by not reviewing his essays or seeking out a coach. I
plymouth
3/14/18 7:47pm
Thanks for the excellent writeup. Bummed for you guys, but hope that somehow
David Lo Pan
3/8/18 11:25pm
I appreciate the well wishes. I think I've used up my allotment of
atlcougar
3/8/18 11:48pm
Any chance of classes at the Salt Lake Campus?
IGlowInTheDark
3/9/18 3:54am
Why do that? Why not have a great freshman
Cougarealist
3/9/18 6:57am
In a year or two, you will know why, and it probably has nothing to do with
Mister P
3/9/18 4:56am
One more q - any insight on where he'll go first?
VenetianCougar
3/9/18 5:13am
I have no specific insight into this situation, but I do know someone high up in admissions very well.
El Jefe
3/9/18 6:47am
This is the worst of all in my view
VenetianCougar
3/9/18 6:49am
Yeah I'm totally against that idea.
JuicyJam
3/9/18 6:54am
That’s right.
conetah
3/9/18 6:59am
Im sure this POV is shared by the HCO too
Cougarealist
3/9/18 7:02am
I’m sure.
conetah
3/9/18 7:04am
I guess that's one way to read it.
El Jefe
3/9/18 7:21am
Either that or there are bureaucrats in the ASB
Cougarealist
3/9/18 7:01am
I would think that would be up to somebody who has Priesthood stewardship over
Skeptical Optimist
3/9/18 7:15am
Here is what the admission person is thinking:
conetah
3/9/18 7:33am
And if that admissions person has been given priesthood keys or was set apary
unctoothman
3/9/18 7:35am
RE: And if that admissions person has been given priesthood keys or was set
conetah
3/9/18 8:33am
I don't think there are keys for that
Cougarealist
3/9/18 8:35am
I've seen the seminary recommendation portion. There is a lot of room for
BYUMizzou
3/9/18 7:18am
It seems like if that is the reason they should tell the applicant.
Icecat
3/9/18 7:45am
They may. I really have no idea about whether they inform the person in these cases.
El Jefe
3/9/18 9:10am
I agree we shouldn't assume the worst
CBaass
3/9/18 8:12am
I'm trying to be better about that
El Jefe
3/9/18 9:11am
So apostles decide where you spend two years. Anonymous employees
panguitch
3/9/18 8:26am
If your son is set on a "freshman experience" this is all probably for the best anyway
kccougar
3/9/18 7:28am
I thought similarly when they made the age change for missions.
atlcougar
3/9/18 7:48am
My son is a freshman at BYU this year----and it has been awesome for him
Greg Kite's 'stache
3/9/18 8:04am
Amen. My freshman year guys all wrote each other on the mission
CougarMandias
3/9/18 10:01am
One comment on teacher recommendations
bluelands
3/9/18 7:53am
With regards to the Ecclesiastical endorsement, there hasn't really been room
Still Open
3/9/18 8:25am
Wouldn't be surprised if essay #4 is the clincher
panguitch
3/9/18 8:34am
Admissions essays are almost always where the final decisions are made.
Still Open
3/9/18 8:37am
This was very interesting to read. Although I'm a graduate of BYU there is no
cowhide
3/9/18 8:38am
There are allowances for the academic standards of athletes but they're still higher than other schools.
soupie
3/9/18 8:43am
I guess I'm proud of the fact that our standards are so high, but I don't think
cowhide
3/9/18 8:58am
In more ways than one.
soupie
3/9/18 9:09am
Ecclesiastical requirements maybe the biggest thing.
kotacoug
3/9/18 9:09am
Wow, I would never have gotten into BYU if I had today's standards.
Machiavelli
3/9/18 9:04am
Are you guys from Utah by chance? Perhaps they're trying to push for diversity
Machiavelli
3/9/18 9:05am
East coast. Atlanta I think he said.
kotacoug
3/9/18 9:08am
We're from GA. We do like chicken and waffles, shrimp and grits, and fried
atlcougar
3/9/18 9:09am
Sign me up!
Skeptical Optimist
3/9/18 9:15am
I am sending this to my teenagers. Thank you!
CougarMandias
3/9/18 9:45am
We hope that our experience can be helpful in some way to others. Best of luck
atlcougar
3/9/18 10:00am
BYU is only going to get tougher and tougher to get into. Kids need to have 2 back-up plans now.
Turnpike Lane
3/9/18 9:54am
Wonder if the 53% acceptance rate will hold up.
coldcoug
3/9/18 10:04am
It was under 50% previously. The year my oldest got in was first year that happened.
Turnpike Lane
3/9/18 10:11am
IMO, if it's really important for a kid to go to school with an honor code and
Byron McNertney
3/9/18 10:12am
And folks bag on BYU-I, but seriously ... it's a great school.
runnincoug
3/9/18 10:17am
I didn’t like BYU-I too much. Academically it’s a completely different
Capricious Cougar
3/9/18 11:30am
Have your son ask the the seminary teacher and other teachers what they wrote.
jvquarterback
3/9/18 10:20am
I am not as surprised as others
allystake
3/9/18 10:29am
Good post, but when looking at the GPA/ACT combo atlcougar's son was far above
byuwahoo
3/9/18 6:33pm
Crazy. Thanks for the update. My wife works in college and grad school prep so
ArchbishopMitty
3/9/18 10:39am
I wonder when the admissions pendulum will swing back a rational process
byuwahoo
3/9/18 11:36am
I don't think any admissions committee is ever truly rational
buffgato
3/9/18 1:07pm
Absurd. BYU needs to change. The best students should get admitted. This "holistic" stuff is garbage.
HarlemCoug
3/9/18 12:44pm
So, where is he going now?
Cougarealist
3/11/18 6:40pm
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