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Mar 21, 2018
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Archaea All-American

good and bad employees in a civil service situation.

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Archaea

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How I feel about public school teachers: The best are underpaid...

kccougar All-American

3/19/18 1:38pm

I didn't say that first part very well. Bottom line is I don't have a problem with saying teachers should be paid more

kccougar

3/19/18 1:45pm

...even more precisely, good teachers should be paid more. Bad teachers should

Iman23

3/19/18 1:53pm

How do I judge a good teacher? Test scores?

MormonThug

3/19/18 3:21pm

Part of the salary structure is simple economics. There's an oversupply of

BYUMizzou

3/19/18 2:57pm

Supply and demand for sure play a role in this.

Eddie

3/20/18 9:35am

Where will you find the extra tax dollars?

Archaea

3/20/18 11:07am

My wife is in her 4th year teaching and I used to have similar opinions.

JAGA97

3/19/18 1:58pm

This. I would love to see the OP job shadow a teacher for a week and then report

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:09pm

What would you like me to report on?

kccougar

3/19/18 2:15pm

Your experience with how easy or difficult it is to be a teacher.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:18pm

Great. Will you job shadow me in return and report on how easy it is to do my job?

kccougar

3/19/18 2:23pm

Absolutely. I don’t think I’ve made any disparaging remarks about your

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:27pm

As an outside observer of your little scuffle here, I didn't see any

ChiCityCoug

3/19/18 2:38pm

I appreciate your perspective. I did find several parts of the OP disparaging.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:46pm

On the last one you quoted he did say it was a very important job 😉 but

ChiCityCoug

3/19/18 2:58pm

Fair enough.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 3:06pm

I think I've been consistent in my statements on the issue

kccougar

3/19/18 3:55pm

Can you share your job title and/or description?

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 5:38pm

Restaurant mystery shopper.

kccougar

3/19/18 5:45pm

I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 6:03pm

any job with unions has trouble firing bad teachers and rewarding good

Archaea

3/19/18 2:55pm

You know what? There are a lot of people who work much harder for less pay and

dreamlvr

3/19/18 2:11pm

As a close observer I disagree. I wouldn't do my wife's job for 250k a year.

JAGA97

3/19/18 2:16pm

I'd do it for $250k. You might be too rich to be objective.

displacedute

3/19/18 2:37pm

I don't believe a single person that is "too rich" has a wife teaching school.

JAGA97

3/19/18 3:41pm

The market is usually pretty good at establishing wages.

dreamlvr

3/19/18 4:58pm

Except that it's pretty documented that "women's work" is underpaid as a

runnincoug

3/19/18 5:03pm

Why do they go into it, or stay there, for that matter, knowing they’re

dreamlvr

3/19/18 6:38pm

I would teach full time for that pay, maybe not the same age group.

Archaea

3/19/18 2:53pm

Opinions do change with first hand experiences with teacher spouses

Hedonic Threadmill

3/19/18 2:14pm

In a perfect world, better teachers would be paid better than lower achieving

jaredm

3/19/18 2:01pm

Not only do teachers have to deal with complicated, moody, immature human beings

Eddie

3/19/18 2:07pm

Pediatricians are the lowest paid in the medical world; they deal with the same

Archaea

3/19/18 2:52pm

You are correct. Of course, pediatricians and teachers are paid the same, right

Eddie

3/21/18 11:48am

In a perfect world, everybody would be highly paid.

Archaea

3/21/18 12:05pm

Most doctors aren't paid by patients. They're paid by insurance companies.

Eddie

3/21/18 12:10pm

That might be emotionally appealing but not accurate.

Archaea

3/21/18 2:16pm

So - we just don't care if they're educated then?

Eddie

3/21/18 3:08pm

Look at what we spend on student loans; look how much parents spend on

Archaea

3/21/18 4:11pm

What you're talking about is called "performance pay." We've been kicking it

BYUMizzou

3/19/18 3:09pm

Here in Colorado they've been trying to balance out performance pay. 25% of

jaredm

3/19/18 5:11pm

I'm all for raising teacher salaries with the stipulation that increases in pay

dreamlvr

3/19/18 2:09pm

I think the reason a lot of teachers you have interacted with aren't very good

displacedute

3/19/18 2:15pm

This is so true. Many of the best teachers go to grad school to change careers

runnincoug

3/19/18 3:46pm

I worked in a teaching environment for 4 years. Part of that time I was a

UberDeek

3/19/18 2:29pm

The complicating factor for me is the enormous amount of time off that teachers

Game Changer

3/19/18 2:40pm

The practicality is the cost. A large component of the cost of public education

Archaea

3/19/18 2:50pm

Here's my biggest issue with school districts:

displacedute

3/19/18 3:10pm

Until you get ride of the union and stop politicizing this issue, there will not

coolblue

3/19/18 3:16pm

Fair post. Many teachers absolutely deserve better. However

BigEasyCougar

3/19/18 3:50pm

Remember these are public employees. It is very difficult to differentiate

Archaea

3/21/18 12:06pm

This is why I find a blanket pay raise problematic.

BigEasyCougar

3/21/18 3:19pm

But if you were a government bureaucrat and air traffic controller

Archaea

3/21/18 4:12pm

I don’t know what the best solution is.

BigEasyCougar

3/21/18 6:58pm

Once you become a public servant, you become permanent unless

Archaea

3/22/18 10:20am

Do you think that is a good thing?

BigEasyCougar

3/22/18 12:51pm

You and I won't change the way it is. If I could reorganize gov't, I'd

Archaea

3/22/18 6:24pm

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