The P5 distinction wasn’t a thing then. Some of the strongest programs

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Feb 17, 2021
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BYU Sports Nation Lowers Bar for BYU Football

HepcatCougar

2/17/21 10:46am

So boiling it down, your problem is that Jarom is more in touch with reality than you are

Indy Coug

2/17/21 10:48am

You didn't read my whole post...

HepcatCougar

2/17/21 10:50am

Plenty of people have taken issue with Jarom's take (which is not a new one for

Tricky

2/17/21 2:27pm

It’s one thing to think I or even believe something a completely other thing to

Pretorian

2/17/21 1:12pm

Reality? Didn't BYU go undefeated once before? So why not expect it?

ImuaKahuku

2/17/21 1:36pm

When I was in 6th grade (1984-ish), I had to memorize the following:

tjngirlz

2/17/21 8:15pm

exactly. In HS a Tongan kid moved to Laie. He was running track and had great

ImuaKahuku

2/17/21 10:37pm

Jarom Jordan wants the BSU model for BYU. I do not like it. Play the best

Cougar TD

2/17/21 10:49am

So have you then thoroughly enjoyed all seasons of Indy?

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 10:53am

More than most MWC seasons, yes. And I also think it was the obvious step forwar

Cougar TD

2/17/21 11:00am

There isn't a better option, but to tamper the schedule a bit more. I generally agree with JJs scheduling philosophy.

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 11:03am

The hard part is how do you lay out the 3-4 P5 games? If they all come early

Cougar TD

2/17/21 11:08am

Start with whichever P5s will play you in October or November. Build from there.

Doogal McCougar

2/17/21 3:38pm

It didn't start like that, and it is not that easy. I am all for not starting

Cougar TD

2/17/21 3:45pm

Yes, but I like the TH mindset of thinking we are P5. If not, we’ll never be one

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:01pm

why play a P5 schedule without P5 recruits? If we win a lot for many years we

AFitisemanu

2/17/21 11:11am

We left the MWC for a reason, the program is building and improving. Why take

Cougar TD

2/17/21 11:13am

"If we win a lot for many years we get the P5 invite and then the P5 recruits"

Greg Kite's 'stache

2/17/21 11:41am

Our best option IMO is to first, keep playing as many P5 games as possible. Also

ManicBlue

2/17/21 12:33pm

They also do the opposite and make some outlandish statement that over hype

sandtrapcougar

2/17/21 10:49am

The problem with Jarom’s take on this is he’s too young to remember the National

gwalker

2/17/21 10:50am

Yes, yes it is way more improbable today.

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 10:54am

I don’t think so. It didn’t even cross anyone’s mind to consider it a

gwalker

2/17/21 10:57am

I'm just saying today it is absolutely impossible. You saw what the committee did to BYU, UC, and CCU and then UCF a few

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 11:05am

The structure then was at least more wide-open to allow it

krindorr

2/17/21 11:19am

I think it's substantially more improbable today, due to the advent of the CFP system.

Indy Coug

2/17/21 11:03am

How many P5s did we play the year we won the Natty?

Junior Deputy

2/17/21 11:20am

Pitt, Baylor, Michigan. Not sure if there were others.

fulano

2/17/21 11:29am

So... three, maybe four. And then we beat the yewt out of a bunch of WAC teams.

Junior Deputy

2/17/21 12:27pm

I'm all about going to the AAC

krindorr

2/17/21 12:39pm

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thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:09pm

The P5 distinction wasn’t a thing then. Some of the strongest programs

gwalker

2/17/21 11:50am

The powers that be drastically changed things after 1984 to ensure teams like

Soy Celeste

2/17/21 12:46pm

Yes it was; changes were made since 1984 to prevent something like BYU happening

reddead

2/17/21 1:09pm

JJ’s views are at odds with those of TH,

Everyman

2/17/21 10:51am

maybe you missed the news about 2023 schedule now being filled with just 4 P5

cwilke1

2/17/21 10:57am

I believe that TH scheduled as many P5s as he could.

Everyman

2/17/21 11:06am

I guess if your message had an implied requirement that a deal with a P5 has to

cwilke1

2/17/21 11:12am

Jarom wants wins, TH has to pay the bills.

mudpupper

2/17/21 11:54am

That’s why TH is AD and JJ is a talking head making 5 year old Pitta jokes

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:12pm

JJ is good at what he does. Glad BYU has him.

Soy Celeste

2/17/21 2:23pm

JJ is there to represent the voice of the unathletic, beta fanboys who have never competed at a level above rec league.

Turnpike Lane

2/17/21 11:23am

I think it's about incremental steps

krindorr

2/17/21 11:28am

and let's be honest 95% of CFB is not at a championship level right now

ManicBlue

2/17/21 12:34pm

Very true. There's about 10 teams in play each year

krindorr

2/17/21 12:43pm

RE: BYU Sports Nation Lowers Bar for BYU Football

mattpatt

2/17/21 11:39am

I quite like Dpencer’s role and takes. He’s. Much more professional.

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:16pm

it's an opinion show, why not let him have his own opinions?

bald man

2/17/21 11:56am

Never been a fan of his takes or his antics on the show (such as blue goggles),

OldFogey

2/17/21 11:58am

Amen

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:18pm

a 10 win season probably won't have them ranked at the end of the season..

ordinary tri guy

2/17/21 12:24pm

no one would say that about byu basketball

lukeskywalker

2/17/21 12:35pm

Jarom says the 2020 season proves his theory on scheduling: Essentially

JoeMamaBesser

2/17/21 12:57pm

2020 was an outlier, and BYU only got that credit because P5s wouldn't play them. In other years, that isn't the case.

Turnpike Lane

2/17/21 1:53pm

I agree, this season 's result was crafted more by COVID than BYU's schedule.

cosmohio

2/17/21 2:22pm

I don't know how anyone can argue that he is wrong. The only counter is that

Ash

2/17/21 2:47pm

I was also taken aback by the conviction with which he said "never" an NY6.

byujdmba

2/17/21 2:07pm

RE: I was also taken aback by the conviction with which he said "never" an NY6.

HepcatCougar

2/18/21 12:54pm

Jarom is the "bad cop" in the BYUSN model. He gets paid to be devil's advocate.

cosmohio

2/17/21 2:11pm

Has anything BYU football has done in

Yergensen

2/17/21 2:48pm

*psst Jarom is right.*

Ham

2/17/21 2:51pm

BYU should play an old WAC schedule. This season is the proof. Cracked the top

DoseOfReality

2/17/21 3:43pm

Slight exaggeration, but agree with the idea

krindorr

2/17/21 3:53pm

BYU wouldn't have gotten as much respect in a normal year. Only did because of

ManicBlue

2/17/21 4:37pm

The argument that Jarom incisively makes get old, Tom H. Goal is to get us over

Beetdiggercoug

2/17/21 4:45pm

RE: The argument that Jarom incisively makes get old, Tom H. Goal is to get us

DocIzzy

2/17/21 7:31pm

This is Kyle Whittinghams pitch when going head to head recruiting

BYU DUDE 1984

2/17/21 5:22pm

Lots of us agree with JJ's assessment, including many notable boosters and...

bluefish

2/17/21 5:35pm

Please provide the names of those boosters. Frankly, who cares what J. Buck

Northern Blue

2/17/21 7:49pm

Most people here know my feelings about BYU Employees depreciating...

LEDSFW

2/17/21 6:11pm

There's a fine line; don't want blatant homerism either

krindorr

2/17/21 6:25pm

It doesn't have to be blatant homerism but optimistic would be nice.

ManicBlue

2/17/21 8:23pm

Point 1 is not true. Cincy got in. Even if we had dismantled CCU, we still

Ash

2/17/21 8:28pm

Not from what I have heard...

LEDSFW

2/18/21 9:22pm

What would have happened BYU and Cincy in the NY6. Who gets left out and why

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