The powers that be drastically changed things after 1984 to ensure teams like

Feb 17, 2021
12:46:53pm

Soy Celeste All-American

BYU could never again win the national championship. In today's model it is impossible for BYU to become national champions. That was on clear display this past season with Gary Barta and crew.

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BYU Sports Nation Lowers Bar for BYU Football

HepcatCougar

2/17/21 10:46am

So boiling it down, your problem is that Jarom is more in touch with reality than you are

Indy Coug

2/17/21 10:48am

You didn't read my whole post...

HepcatCougar

2/17/21 10:50am

Plenty of people have taken issue with Jarom's take (which is not a new one for

Tricky

2/17/21 2:27pm

It’s one thing to think I or even believe something a completely other thing to

Pretorian

2/17/21 1:12pm

Reality? Didn't BYU go undefeated once before? So why not expect it?

ImuaKahuku

2/17/21 1:36pm

When I was in 6th grade (1984-ish), I had to memorize the following:

tjngirlz

2/17/21 8:15pm

exactly. In HS a Tongan kid moved to Laie. He was running track and had great

ImuaKahuku

2/17/21 10:37pm

Jarom Jordan wants the BSU model for BYU. I do not like it. Play the best

Cougar TD

2/17/21 10:49am

So have you then thoroughly enjoyed all seasons of Indy?

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 10:53am

More than most MWC seasons, yes. And I also think it was the obvious step forwar

Cougar TD

2/17/21 11:00am

There isn't a better option, but to tamper the schedule a bit more. I generally agree with JJs scheduling philosophy.

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 11:03am

The hard part is how do you lay out the 3-4 P5 games? If they all come early

Cougar TD

2/17/21 11:08am

Start with whichever P5s will play you in October or November. Build from there.

Doogal McCougar

2/17/21 3:38pm

It didn't start like that, and it is not that easy. I am all for not starting

Cougar TD

2/17/21 3:45pm

Yes, but I like the TH mindset of thinking we are P5. If not, we’ll never be one

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:01pm

why play a P5 schedule without P5 recruits? If we win a lot for many years we

AFitisemanu

2/17/21 11:11am

We left the MWC for a reason, the program is building and improving. Why take

Cougar TD

2/17/21 11:13am

"If we win a lot for many years we get the P5 invite and then the P5 recruits"

Greg Kite's 'stache

2/17/21 11:41am

Our best option IMO is to first, keep playing as many P5 games as possible. Also

ManicBlue

2/17/21 12:33pm

They also do the opposite and make some outlandish statement that over hype

sandtrapcougar

2/17/21 10:49am

The problem with Jarom’s take on this is he’s too young to remember the National

gwalker

2/17/21 10:50am

Yes, yes it is way more improbable today.

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 10:54am

I don’t think so. It didn’t even cross anyone’s mind to consider it a

gwalker

2/17/21 10:57am

I'm just saying today it is absolutely impossible. You saw what the committee did to BYU, UC, and CCU and then UCF a few

TheLoneCougar

2/17/21 11:05am

The structure then was at least more wide-open to allow it

krindorr

2/17/21 11:19am

I think it's substantially more improbable today, due to the advent of the CFP system.

Indy Coug

2/17/21 11:03am

How many P5s did we play the year we won the Natty?

Junior Deputy

2/17/21 11:20am

Pitt, Baylor, Michigan. Not sure if there were others.

fulano

2/17/21 11:29am

So... three, maybe four. And then we beat the yewt out of a bunch of WAC teams.

Junior Deputy

2/17/21 12:27pm

I'm all about going to the AAC

krindorr

2/17/21 12:39pm

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thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:09pm

The P5 distinction wasn’t a thing then. Some of the strongest programs

gwalker

2/17/21 11:50am

The powers that be drastically changed things after 1984 to ensure teams like

Soy Celeste

2/17/21 12:46pm

Yes it was; changes were made since 1984 to prevent something like BYU happening

reddead

2/17/21 1:09pm

JJ’s views are at odds with those of TH,

Everyman

2/17/21 10:51am

maybe you missed the news about 2023 schedule now being filled with just 4 P5

cwilke1

2/17/21 10:57am

I believe that TH scheduled as many P5s as he could.

Everyman

2/17/21 11:06am

I guess if your message had an implied requirement that a deal with a P5 has to

cwilke1

2/17/21 11:12am

Jarom wants wins, TH has to pay the bills.

mudpupper

2/17/21 11:54am

That’s why TH is AD and JJ is a talking head making 5 year old Pitta jokes

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:12pm

JJ is good at what he does. Glad BYU has him.

Soy Celeste

2/17/21 2:23pm

JJ is there to represent the voice of the unathletic, beta fanboys who have never competed at a level above rec league.

Turnpike Lane

2/17/21 11:23am

I think it's about incremental steps

krindorr

2/17/21 11:28am

and let's be honest 95% of CFB is not at a championship level right now

ManicBlue

2/17/21 12:34pm

Very true. There's about 10 teams in play each year

krindorr

2/17/21 12:43pm

RE: BYU Sports Nation Lowers Bar for BYU Football

mattpatt

2/17/21 11:39am

I quite like Dpencer’s role and takes. He’s. Much more professional.

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:16pm

it's an opinion show, why not let him have his own opinions?

bald man

2/17/21 11:56am

Never been a fan of his takes or his antics on the show (such as blue goggles),

OldFogey

2/17/21 11:58am

Amen

thegoodmeister

2/17/21 2:18pm

a 10 win season probably won't have them ranked at the end of the season..

ordinary tri guy

2/17/21 12:24pm

no one would say that about byu basketball

lukeskywalker

2/17/21 12:35pm

Jarom says the 2020 season proves his theory on scheduling: Essentially

JoeMamaBesser

2/17/21 12:57pm

2020 was an outlier, and BYU only got that credit because P5s wouldn't play them. In other years, that isn't the case.

Turnpike Lane

2/17/21 1:53pm

I agree, this season 's result was crafted more by COVID than BYU's schedule.

cosmohio

2/17/21 2:22pm

I don't know how anyone can argue that he is wrong. The only counter is that

Ash

2/17/21 2:47pm

I was also taken aback by the conviction with which he said "never" an NY6.

byujdmba

2/17/21 2:07pm

RE: I was also taken aback by the conviction with which he said "never" an NY6.

HepcatCougar

2/18/21 12:54pm

Jarom is the "bad cop" in the BYUSN model. He gets paid to be devil's advocate.

cosmohio

2/17/21 2:11pm

Has anything BYU football has done in

Yergensen

2/17/21 2:48pm

*psst Jarom is right.*

Ham

2/17/21 2:51pm

BYU should play an old WAC schedule. This season is the proof. Cracked the top

DoseOfReality

2/17/21 3:43pm

Slight exaggeration, but agree with the idea

krindorr

2/17/21 3:53pm

BYU wouldn't have gotten as much respect in a normal year. Only did because of

ManicBlue

2/17/21 4:37pm

The argument that Jarom incisively makes get old, Tom H. Goal is to get us over

Beetdiggercoug

2/17/21 4:45pm

RE: The argument that Jarom incisively makes get old, Tom H. Goal is to get us

DocIzzy

2/17/21 7:31pm

This is Kyle Whittinghams pitch when going head to head recruiting

BYU DUDE 1984

2/17/21 5:22pm

Lots of us agree with JJ's assessment, including many notable boosters and...

bluefish

2/17/21 5:35pm

Please provide the names of those boosters. Frankly, who cares what J. Buck

Northern Blue

2/17/21 7:49pm

Most people here know my feelings about BYU Employees depreciating...

LEDSFW

2/17/21 6:11pm

There's a fine line; don't want blatant homerism either

krindorr

2/17/21 6:25pm

It doesn't have to be blatant homerism but optimistic would be nice.

ManicBlue

2/17/21 8:23pm

Point 1 is not true. Cincy got in. Even if we had dismantled CCU, we still

Ash

2/17/21 8:28pm

Not from what I have heard...

LEDSFW

2/18/21 9:22pm

What would have happened BYU and Cincy in the NY6. Who gets left out and why

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