That might be emotionally appealing but not accurate.

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Mar 21, 2018
2:16:05pm

Archaea All-American

That might be emotionally appealing but not accurate.

Look at our society, what we provide for children. Much of what we do in life is for our children, and equating what we pay our teachers as caring for children is an effective rhetorical technique but it is not an accurate barometer of how much we care for our children.

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Archaea

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How I feel about public school teachers: The best are underpaid...

kccougar All-American

3/19/18 1:38pm

I didn't say that first part very well. Bottom line is I don't have a problem with saying teachers should be paid more

kccougar

3/19/18 1:45pm

...even more precisely, good teachers should be paid more. Bad teachers should

Iman23

3/19/18 1:53pm

How do I judge a good teacher? Test scores?

MormonThug

3/19/18 3:21pm

Part of the salary structure is simple economics. There's an oversupply of

BYUMizzou

3/19/18 2:57pm

Supply and demand for sure play a role in this.

Eddie

3/20/18 9:35am

Where will you find the extra tax dollars?

Archaea

3/20/18 11:07am

My wife is in her 4th year teaching and I used to have similar opinions.

JAGA97

3/19/18 1:58pm

This. I would love to see the OP job shadow a teacher for a week and then report

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:09pm

What would you like me to report on?

kccougar

3/19/18 2:15pm

Your experience with how easy or difficult it is to be a teacher.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:18pm

Great. Will you job shadow me in return and report on how easy it is to do my job?

kccougar

3/19/18 2:23pm

Absolutely. I don’t think I’ve made any disparaging remarks about your

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:27pm

As an outside observer of your little scuffle here, I didn't see any

ChiCityCoug

3/19/18 2:38pm

I appreciate your perspective. I did find several parts of the OP disparaging.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 2:46pm

On the last one you quoted he did say it was a very important job 😉 but

ChiCityCoug

3/19/18 2:58pm

Fair enough.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 3:06pm

I think I've been consistent in my statements on the issue

kccougar

3/19/18 3:55pm

Can you share your job title and/or description?

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 5:38pm

Restaurant mystery shopper.

kccougar

3/19/18 5:45pm

I can’t tell if that’s a joke or not.

Capricious Cougar

3/19/18 6:03pm

any job with unions has trouble firing bad teachers and rewarding good

Archaea

3/19/18 2:55pm

You know what? There are a lot of people who work much harder for less pay and

dreamlvr

3/19/18 2:11pm

As a close observer I disagree. I wouldn't do my wife's job for 250k a year.

JAGA97

3/19/18 2:16pm

I'd do it for $250k. You might be too rich to be objective.

displacedute

3/19/18 2:37pm

I don't believe a single person that is "too rich" has a wife teaching school.

JAGA97

3/19/18 3:41pm

The market is usually pretty good at establishing wages.

dreamlvr

3/19/18 4:58pm

Except that it's pretty documented that "women's work" is underpaid as a

runnincoug

3/19/18 5:03pm

Why do they go into it, or stay there, for that matter, knowing they’re

dreamlvr

3/19/18 6:38pm

I would teach full time for that pay, maybe not the same age group.

Archaea

3/19/18 2:53pm

Opinions do change with first hand experiences with teacher spouses

Hedonic Threadmill

3/19/18 2:14pm

In a perfect world, better teachers would be paid better than lower achieving

jaredm

3/19/18 2:01pm

Not only do teachers have to deal with complicated, moody, immature human beings

Eddie

3/19/18 2:07pm

Pediatricians are the lowest paid in the medical world; they deal with the same

Archaea

3/19/18 2:52pm

You are correct. Of course, pediatricians and teachers are paid the same, right

Eddie

3/21/18 11:48am

In a perfect world, everybody would be highly paid.

Archaea

3/21/18 12:05pm

Most doctors aren't paid by patients. They're paid by insurance companies.

Eddie

3/21/18 12:10pm

That might be emotionally appealing but not accurate.

Archaea

3/21/18 2:16pm

So - we just don't care if they're educated then?

Eddie

3/21/18 3:08pm

Look at what we spend on student loans; look how much parents spend on

Archaea

3/21/18 4:11pm

What you're talking about is called "performance pay." We've been kicking it

BYUMizzou

3/19/18 3:09pm

Here in Colorado they've been trying to balance out performance pay. 25% of

jaredm

3/19/18 5:11pm

I'm all for raising teacher salaries with the stipulation that increases in pay

dreamlvr

3/19/18 2:09pm

I think the reason a lot of teachers you have interacted with aren't very good

displacedute

3/19/18 2:15pm

This is so true. Many of the best teachers go to grad school to change careers

runnincoug

3/19/18 3:46pm

I worked in a teaching environment for 4 years. Part of that time I was a

UberDeek

3/19/18 2:29pm

The complicating factor for me is the enormous amount of time off that teachers

Game Changer

3/19/18 2:40pm

The practicality is the cost. A large component of the cost of public education

Archaea

3/19/18 2:50pm

Here's my biggest issue with school districts:

displacedute

3/19/18 3:10pm

Until you get ride of the union and stop politicizing this issue, there will not

coolblue

3/19/18 3:16pm

Fair post. Many teachers absolutely deserve better. However

BigEasyCougar

3/19/18 3:50pm

Remember these are public employees. It is very difficult to differentiate

Archaea

3/21/18 12:06pm

This is why I find a blanket pay raise problematic.

BigEasyCougar

3/21/18 3:19pm

But if you were a government bureaucrat and air traffic controller

Archaea

3/21/18 4:12pm

I don’t know what the best solution is.

BigEasyCougar

3/21/18 6:58pm

Once you become a public servant, you become permanent unless

Archaea

3/22/18 10:20am

Do you think that is a good thing?

BigEasyCougar

3/22/18 12:51pm

You and I won't change the way it is. If I could reorganize gov't, I'd

Archaea

3/22/18 6:24pm

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