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Jun 1, 2020
11:20:23am

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CoachSpeak

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Ragnarok

6/1/20 10:58am

I saw this coming for the last couple of years...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:09am

The coaches have given scholarships to PWOs and that's part of the reason

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:14am

Not the point...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:20am

Isn't this what playing competitive sports has prepared these athletes for?

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:30am

How do they know that if the kid is just returning from a mission?

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:40am

Are the coaches pulling scholarships from mission kids?

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:43am

If they are telling them they have to delay then that is the same thing...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:01pm

It's not remotely the same thing

donnerstag

6/1/20 12:23pm

Of course it is the same thing...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:26pm

Without knowing how the conversation went, we don't know the ethics

donnerstag

6/1/20 12:42pm

But you are assuming aren't you?

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:50pm

Nope. I am saying we don't have a set of facts to judge

donnerstag

6/1/20 1:05pm

That's the thing about a message board...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 1:13pm

This isn't just a BYU problem (its a bigger issue at BYU due to the numbers)..

TheLost

6/1/20 4:39pm

I agree, all schools with large numbers of missionaries have that challenge...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 4:50pm

Awesome for Kafentzis....

Vernon Dozier

6/1/20 3:30pm

Look as a PWO

I'mBatman

6/1/20 8:21pm

I don’t disagree....

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 10:27pm

They usually leave due to playing time

I'mBatman

6/2/20 9:43am

If the kid doesn't like the delay in scholarship, they can go elsewhere

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:11am

What about the kids though?

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:15am

BYU seems to play more walk-ons than many other schools

Doogal McCougar

6/1/20 11:21am

There are 2 separate issues here

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:22am

Yep it's pretty common for programs to let guys go if they are not in the 2 deep

Thrill

6/1/20 2:16pm

99% won't have options.. best they can hope for is a Walk-On offer, or maybe FCS

TheLost

6/1/20 4:23pm

symptom of underlying problem. poorly run organization/ team. expect results

claw

6/1/20 11:13am

Perhaps they over recruit on purpose for more depth. Could be a complete

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:13am

A "non issue" for who?

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:18am

Not really

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:21am

This is an area then that the PAC12 with its 4 year guaranty has surpassed BYU

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:32am

If the coaches are honest then it’s not immoral at all. Also, PWOs will continue

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:39am

It may not be immoral but it certainly doesn't make BYU competitive.

Everyman

6/1/20 12:25pm

The Pac hasn't exactly been world beaters lately.

mokelembembe

6/1/20 2:52pm

As long as they’re upfront to a Hs kid that that’s their policy

cougfanz

6/1/20 11:32am

That’s true

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:38am

Most BYU *walkons* are here because they want to be. They and their parents

Doogal McCougar

6/1/20 11:27am

Issue is the practice of cutting scholarship guys before their 4 years are up

cougfanz

6/1/20 11:31am

I care about the walkons who had promises made to them...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:42am

Agree 100%. Especially with down the line promises

cougfanz

6/1/20 11:46am

Are the coaches 100% guaranteeing PWOs scholarships?

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:53am

That's a cop out worthy of big ute right there...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:57am

Unless someone hears the exact conversation, I don't think we know with 100%

donnerstag

6/1/20 12:11pm

Sorry but that is a cop out...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:23pm

There is a difference with PWO's isn't there?

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:06pm

You realize that PWO's are not the same thing as a standard walkon don't you?

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:48am

You know they can just sign a small class this year to make room for PWOs right?

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:53am

Get back to me when they actually do that.

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 11:58am

Get back to me when they don’t give deserving PWOs scholarships

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 12:04pm

I'm not saying they never give any...

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:13pm

It sounds like your gripe is more about what they promise than actual management

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 12:27pm

They are one and the same.

CoachSpeak

6/1/20 12:29pm

Absolutely. I was referring to PWO, but used the term *walk-on*

Doogal McCougar

6/1/20 12:08pm

From what I heard they brought in an outside consultant

cougfanz

6/1/20 11:27am

I doubt it’s 10-15

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:44am

Yea I don’t know. But sometimes you don’t hear about the kid who was told a

cougfanz

6/1/20 11:48am

That number is not correct.

Lip Gallagher

6/1/20 1:06pm

Shouldn't the coach have had a handle on the situation. Seriously, I can run a

coolblue

6/1/20 2:32pm

I'd like to say I don't believe the coaches could be that negligent,

cougaman

6/1/20 5:59pm

It was partially inflated by the four game redshirt rule

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:47am

was this crunch aggravated by guys coming home early from missions due to COVID and then not going back out?

byujag

6/1/20 11:50am

No, I don’t think so

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 11:51am

Elijah Unutoa is also home early

donnerstag

6/1/20 11:54am

That makes sense

puntersarepeople

6/1/20 12:05pm

Not covid related

cougfanz

6/1/20 12:01pm

Keeping BYU within scholarship limits is an art form

BeardedSpock

6/1/20 12:06pm

We'll start by not pretending it's a recent thing. It's a BYU thing.

Lip Gallagher

6/1/20 12:28pm

This is not Bronco. Don't put any of this on Bronco. It is all KS. This is a

coolblue

6/1/20 2:35pm

RE: This is not Bronco. Don't put any of this on Bronco. It is all KS. This is

Lip Gallagher

6/1/20 2:46pm

One issue is that the honor code inherently makes our APR score lower

SL12

6/1/20 1:56pm

All the missionaries coming home because of Covid create a crunch.

coolblue

6/1/20 2:28pm

Crunch has zero to do with those guys. This mess started 4 years ago. It's getting cleaned up now.

Turnpike Lane

6/1/20 2:53pm

The body has nothing to do with your header.

Lip Gallagher

6/1/20 3:32pm

Is there a component of the team that hasn't needed a reboot since KS started?

cougarmeister

6/1/20 2:30pm

Kalani is accountable. But he isn't the root cause. It's a number of factors that compound a complicated problem that no

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