Bronco had way more to work with than when Edwards started

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Apr 18, 2014
3:12:57pm

donnerstag

Bronco had way more to work with than when Edwards started

Crowton/Edwards basically gift wrapped him Harline, Pitta, Beck, Collie, the entire Oline, Poppinga, Jensen aka the foundation of Bronco's teams until 2009 when BYU stopped being good. Was it unfavorable for roster balance and cleaning up a tarnished image? Sure, but Bronco had a huge advantage over his two predecessors.

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No credit to Bronco

c0z

4/18/14 3:27am

Reminds me of a rare "traffic" event I got to be part of the other day

monsterdave

4/18/14 6:19am

I think Bronco has things pointed in a great direction.

CalGTR

4/18/14 7:03am

What did I miss? Something happen on the field?

GA_Coug

4/18/14 7:41am

Bronco does the very best with what he has. If some people were to get their

FierceArc

4/18/14 7:57am

Anae left because he didn't like the direction of the program

donnerstag

4/18/14 8:01am

Yup, that's why I said it was PART of the reason he left.

FierceArc

4/18/14 8:17am

Last year was a mixed bag

donnerstag

4/18/14 8:25am

The numbers were "inflated" as you say because of the offensive scheme

Broda

4/18/14 8:27am

When you run more plays you get more total yards

donnerstag

4/18/14 8:44am

Did we magically play more games than everybody else?

Broda

4/18/14 8:55am

By what measure is our offense significantly improved?

donnerstag

4/18/14 9:00am

Where were they not improved?

Broda

4/18/14 9:10am

All of those measures are correlated to how many plays they ran

donnerstag

4/18/14 9:49am

Ok then lets look at one stat: yards per play

Broda

4/18/14 10:02am

Taysom in Riley out. THAT alone makes a difference

4/18/14 2:08pm

With the run game being the main focus those yds/play are significant imo.

FierceArc

4/18/14 9:40am

So wahat? We had a better oline, not a freshamn rb a 17 year old in fact and no

4/18/14 2:20pm

Anae left because of Reynolds. that's why they brought him back when Reynolds

palangi

4/18/14 9:56pm

He also said that he didn't like the direction of the program

donnerstag

4/18/14 10:01pm

Losing to Utes 4 years in a row is doing the best w/ what he has?

UNLVcougar

4/18/14 11:45am

Bronco does NOT have the same caliber/number of athletic players Kyle does.

AntiSNOT

4/20/14 10:44pm

How many of BM's years have our recruiting rankings been HIGHER thanUtah's and

4/20/14 10:45pm

They still have WAY more team speed at skill positions and a BETTER D.L.

AntiSNOT

4/20/14 10:53pm

you're just talking out of your behind and can't possibly quantify your claim

Michael Skarn

4/20/14 11:06pm

14th in the nation is great...but what did he actually accomplish? Ending the

UNLVcougar

4/18/14 11:52am

All of Bronco's best teams were with recruits he inherited

donnerstag

4/18/14 11:55am

Bingo. His worst years are recent history, which has been with his coaches and

UNLVcougar

4/18/14 11:59am

He's a moronic coach IF doing the best he can is losing to Virginia. I don't

4/18/14 2:18pm

Many remember when Lavel lost to UTEP in first game of season

monsterdave

4/19/14 7:24am

Yeah Duke lost this year to MUTEP was not

4/20/14 11:06pm

Guess the point was- seems too many people griping about opening day losses

monsterdave

4/21/14 6:05am

You are Correct opening day losses happen and can happen to anyone

4/21/14 12:45pm

You guys are hilarious... and delusional. BYU is never going to be as good as

FierceArc

4/18/14 3:21pm

Ah the "go cheer for Alabama" post. A CB classic in the making

Sgt Schultz

4/18/14 3:34pm

Not as old and "classic" as the constant whining about the HC and/or QB.

FierceArc

4/18/14 3:45pm

Alabama always plays safeties with broken backs at QB..

4/18/14 8:14pm

Could you please provide links to posters who think BYU can be as good as

UNLVcougar

4/18/14 4:26pm

shhhhhh, don't knock down his straw man

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 4:28pm

Lol... talk about straw man.. your post is right under a post with a straw man.

FierceArc

4/18/14 5:02pm

such a stupid and tired argument

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 5:06pm

Or... you could realize what you have that's great considering what there is

FierceArc

4/18/14 5:55pm

Hahahah you said straw man. Speaking Of tired cb cliches

Sgt Schultz

4/18/14 5:12pm

uh... he said it first. I'm responding to him... wow.

FierceArc

4/18/14 5:53pm

Remember when he punted from the 32? That was brilliant

Sgt Schultz

4/18/14 3:36pm

Yeah... remember when the kicker couldn't make anything past the 20?

FierceArc

4/18/14 3:51pm

Good point Holly

Sgt Schultz

4/18/14 5:04pm

Thanks Kessman.

FierceArc

4/18/14 5:07pm

Your welcome Holly. Tell cap'n Moroni I said hi

Sgt Schultz

4/18/14 5:14pm

You sure you don't want to whine about him too first?

FierceArc

4/18/14 5:39pm

You could cry about how Bronco took after a guy who's not golden enough

FierceArc

4/18/14 5:44pm

Totally Agreed. This season will be very telling. Is it 8/29 yet?

AntiSNOT

4/20/14 10:40pm

So in your opinion, he hasn't maxed out like many think he did in 2009

Y4LYFE

4/18/14 8:15am

Most of the day to day, off season stuff isn't what I judge Bronco by.

Dan2

4/18/14 8:30am

Bronco has been here every year under Bronco

Mars

4/18/14 8:57am

or Holmoe.. If Holmoe pressured BM to make changes then TOM deserves the credit

4/18/14 2:10pm

I like some of the new hires too, but until the offense actually recovers

Accipiter

4/18/14 9:03am

Bronco is good. I think he could be great though with some minor tweaks.

4/18/14 9:49am

this is more or less what I think of Bronco

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 10:29am

I don't think Bronco is a great recruiter. I think he can be a great closer

bvfcr

4/18/14 9:56am

Great Post! Interesting how opinions change with times

Cougarpride

4/18/14 9:58am

bunch of unsubstantiated nonsensical claims

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 10:32am

As I mentioned do your own research

Cougarpride

4/18/14 10:50am

The classic response from the Bronco Bashers

4/18/14 9:05pm

Edwards was fan friendly - Bronco is not

LV Mike

4/18/14 11:58am

Lavell Edwards was a special coach, no doubt. . .

byusage

4/18/14 12:56pm

You are asking fans to ignore Bronco's every flaw

LV Mike

4/18/14 2:44pm

Don't kid yourself

4/18/14 9:13pm

I really wish you made sense so I could respond

LV Mike

4/18/14 9:55pm

What about that didn't make sense?

byusage

4/19/14 12:47am

Dont wory about it.

4/20/14 3:09am

I guess I know a different Bronco

Cougarpride

4/18/14 1:57pm

this is a stupid post that shows a serious inability to grasp

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 2:00pm

The ability to grasp is two-way

Cougarpride

4/18/14 2:46pm

No disagreement with your response - except that Bronco was "thrown"

LV Mike

4/18/14 2:48pm

Mike you are correct the term "thrown" is not the most accurate

Cougarpride

4/18/14 3:07pm

Bronco had way more to work with than when Edwards started

donnerstag

4/18/14 3:12pm

I, for one, would definitely not feel differently if I knew Bronco personally

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 3:12pm

I don't know him so I don't know how I would feel about it

LV Mike

4/18/14 3:21pm

I've spent time with him several times and I actually like him.

JamesDean

4/18/14 10:04pm

So you think using the statement

4/20/14 3:11am

I think it's a simple comment in answer to someone's post

JamesDean

4/20/14 7:34am

Thats a wierd response

4/20/14 12:59pm

Irony is so awesome!

Sgt Schultz

4/20/14 1:04pm

LOL!!

4/20/14 1:11pm

Funny, there, how badly you missed the point.

JamesDean

4/20/14 1:11pm

I hate to sound like a little kid

4/21/14 1:14pm

You do. And it's apparent that you don't understand the word.

JamesDean

4/21/14 1:27pm

I am not even sure what word you are refering to.

4/21/14 1:29pm

No worries, man. I'm not sure what your definition of bent is, but that one

JamesDean

4/21/14 1:31pm

Let me remind you (paraphrasing - do you know what that big word means?)

4/21/14 1:42pm

My "irony" was at you claiming some one else said something weird. I actually

Sgt Schultz

4/21/14 3:25pm

This may be the strangest thread I have ever been involved with.

4/21/14 3:57pm

^^^^^doesn't know what irony is^^^^^^

Sgt Schultz

4/21/14 4:26pm

Please explain then.

4/22/14 12:59pm

You wouldn't understand. Ask your teacher

Sgt Schultz

4/22/14 3:55pm

So are you saying that you dont really know what Ironic means?

4/22/14 5:07pm

Hahahah your picture is in the dictionary next to ironic. Love your schtick.

Sgt Schultz

4/22/14 5:48pm

Actually I have a better question.

4/22/14 5:08pm

Oh please keep,it going! Again I LOVE your schtick. Did it take you a long time

Sgt Schultz

4/22/14 5:56pm

So is that an admission that you have lost the debate?

4/22/14 6:04pm

When one party, you, doesn't understand what irony is how can you debate? but,

Sgt Schultz

4/22/14 6:05pm

It's kind of ironic to keep insisting that you know what

4/22/14 6:15pm

Hahahahah keep going. This is gold Jerry gold

Sgt Schultz

4/22/14 6:32pm

Im getting kind of bored with this, but seriously

4/22/14 6:38pm

It's so ironic you say that. Hang on a sec. Im popping some corn. Ok continue

Sgt Schultz

4/22/14 7:12pm

So I guess the answer (shrouded in bravado)

4/23/14 6:23pm

You guys should keep going with this. Someone will win eventually.

Italics

4/23/14 6:54pm

No one is asking for compromising of standards We just want to beat Virginia whe

4/18/14 9:25pm

I'm not seeing the same thing you are

Michael Skarn

4/18/14 10:31am

Bronco does deserve credit for recognizing what he was doing with recruiting

CougDogg-e-Dogg

4/18/14 10:48am

Umm..I'll give him credit when his new staff accomplishes something.

UNLVcougar

4/18/14 11:46am

Well, they seem to have with recruiting this past yr. Let's see if that

AntiSNOT

4/20/14 10:52pm

Bronco doesn't get credit when he deserves it because he doesn't beat Utah

pistol12

4/18/14 1:28pm

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East1999

4/18/14 1:48pm

It has been 5 years since his teams have been anything other than average

byutx

4/18/14 4:56pm

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byutx

4/18/14 5:06pm

Bronco's poor staffing decisions would have got most coaches fired.....

Gene Frenkle

4/18/14 7:01pm

Well - since Bronco did not fire Anae

4/20/14 1:13pm

Yes. Making your OC reapply and interview with Bronco again to keep his job

LV Mike

4/20/14 2:33pm

Except that we now know (and did years ago) that Bronco

4/20/14 2:47pm

Yes, Bronco making Anae reapply was all a myth

LV Mike

4/20/14 3:00pm

If he really wanted Anae to stay, BM would have secured his commitment prior to

Gene Frenkle

4/20/14 4:20pm

You have me mixed up with PolarisPrime

LV Mike

4/20/14 7:45pm

My bad.....sorry LV

Gene Frenkle

4/20/14 9:09pm

So basically you are calling TH, BM and RA liars.

4/21/14 12:56am

It is a business my friend and you go with a version that is marketable

Gene Frenkle

4/21/14 7:22am

That makes sense

4/21/14 4:14pm

It's called evidence. And yes, Bronco changed the narrative.

LV Mike

4/21/14 8:12am

Got it

4/21/14 1:19pm

Actually, I know why YOU call me a Bronco hater, because you are insane

LV Mike

4/21/14 3:05pm

Every media outlet did report the facts incorectly.

4/21/14 4:08pm

You tell me, PP (quote)

Michael Skarn

4/21/14 1:04pm

Allow me. It's either

Sgt Schultz

4/21/14 1:10pm

I am going to take #4 for $1000

4/21/14 1:30pm

Lol shocking!

Sgt Schultz

4/21/14 1:41pm

You cannot possibly believe this, can you?

Michael Skarn

4/21/14 3:31pm

No. It was not "independantly corroborated"

4/21/14 3:48pm

wow, it's so weird how all four of the major news outlets

Michael Skarn

4/21/14 3:57pm

We have a winner

4/21/14 4:05pm

Except that Reynolds confirmed their story

donnerstag

4/21/14 4:30pm

IT WASN'T SPECULATION!!!!

Michael Skarn

4/21/14 5:10pm

Is it possible for you to post anything without resorting to name calling?

4/22/14 1:13pm

Your post makes Reynolds a liar according to this

donnerstag

4/22/14 1:20pm

So you realize that the link to the Trib article

4/22/14 2:01pm

The article used conditional words on things it wasn't sure about

donnerstag

4/22/14 3:06pm

seriously, everything PP says has been pure conjecture

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 3:17pm

Your kidding right?

4/22/14 5:06pm

First, of all, it's "you're kidding"

donnerstag

4/22/14 5:12pm

Sorry for the english mistake.

4/22/14 5:28pm

You are categorically denying this statement

donnerstag

4/22/14 5:41pm

Yet just a month ago Both Bronco and Anae

4/22/14 6:14pm

So you don't believe that both can be true?

donnerstag

4/22/14 6:25pm

I dont think that covers all that happened

4/22/14 6:35pm

**YOU** are the absolute king of conjecture, speculation, wild assumptions

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 8:40pm

So that is not even close to what I said

4/23/14 6:25pm

do you get dizzy with all that spinning and talking in circles?

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 1:26pm

Sorry - you win the contest for most unreasonable poster

4/22/14 1:38pm

I was getting annoyed that this thread wouldn't die then realized it was PP

Jkampana

4/22/14 5:24pm

One is reported by the paper

4/21/14 1:28pm

Here's the news story from 2010

donnerstag

4/21/14 8:36am

I should mention that the story was revised to the following after the re-hire

donnerstag

4/21/14 8:50am

The story was never "revised". It was never told

4/21/14 1:25pm

Bronco sure didn't show Anae that he wanted to keep him

donnerstag

4/21/14 2:46pm

The only way to keep Anae was to get rid of Reynolds

4/21/14 3:07pm

So no matter how many sources confirmed it, it was conjecture?

donnerstag

4/21/14 3:31pm

Untill the actual parties involved say otherwise.

4/21/14 3:53pm

The primary source was Reynolds

donnerstag

4/21/14 4:28pm

"everything else is conjecture no matter how many sources confirmed it"

Michael Skarn

4/21/14 5:17pm

Well

4/22/14 1:23pm

link to where those three people said that Anae was not encouraged

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 1:43pm

Maybe it would help if you explained what you mean by circles.

4/22/14 2:05pm

I didn't see a link anywhere in there

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 2:37pm

Well....

4/22/14 5:52pm

That in no way, shape, or form supports what you said

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 8:33pm

Well - you had better go back and re-read what started all this

4/23/14 6:28pm

I am not buying the stories

4/21/14 4:17pm

PP, if you choose not to believe BM let RA go, you are therefore

Gene Frenkle

4/21/14 6:39pm

I think he realized that RA was leaving mid season

4/22/14 12:58pm

Talk about pure conjecture

Jkampana

4/22/14 5:40pm

he's balancing the ledger...

icecougar

4/18/14 7:34pm

There are a lot of other programs that could make most of these claims

Italics

4/18/14 8:12pm

There are only a few Elite teams in college football and as long as

byusage

4/19/14 10:42am

Amen

Ragid1

4/21/14 8:02am

I don't believe this is the issue

Heinz57

4/20/14 6:10pm

I thought Weber should have been let go after his first year.

4/22/14 1:29pm

oh my gosh!! why are you so critical and sad?

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 1:55pm

So...

4/22/14 5:31pm

Coming from an expert, you need more Cowbell!

Gene Frenkle

4/22/14 6:32pm

gotcha, stats prove that good coaches hire bad coaches

Michael Skarn

4/22/14 8:34pm

Yet again you prove why you dont make very good arguments

4/23/14 6:34pm

Is this the longest thread in CB history?

El Fuego

4/21/14 4:16pm

(Please, make it stop!)

LV Mike

4/21/14 5:46pm

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