Except the Property Clause explicitly trumps the Property Management Clause

Feb 24, 2017
6:37:55pm

bluebloodedcoug All-American

"nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States..."

And the fact that every legitimate legal scholar in the nation disagrees with you...

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I think hunting is on the way out as a general public recreation

OU Cougar

2/24/17 4:52am

Especially (in Utah) if Utah privatizes public lands.

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 5:16am

It is not going to be privatized if the state takes over.

Dixie's Red Rocks

2/24/17 5:51am

That's what they said about Arizona but the state has been trying to

chago04

2/24/17 5:55am

Also, as a hunter from back east, hunting is way better out west.

chago04

2/24/17 6:03am

RE: Also, as a hunter from back east, hunting is way better out west.

LCcoug

2/24/17 11:06pm

I wont say that nothing will be sold but it will likely be a small amount.

Dixie's Red Rocks

2/24/17 6:13am

Feds lose money on public lands because its unsustainable. States will won't

Bert609

2/24/17 6:30am

Most of the off-roaders I know back east come to the west because they either

Bert609

2/24/17 6:28am

It should be privatized!

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 6:35am

Nobody would line up to hunt on the land where the Bundy family operates. It's

gwalker

2/24/17 6:37am

The point is that if the state owned the land and held it up for sale, people

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 7:50am

You have a great deal of optimism. Misplaced

macdizzle

2/24/17 4:46pm

There will be hunting, you'll just have to pay more to do it.

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 6:33am

How is that a positive outcome for the average rural hunter who grew up hunting

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:03am

It's not, but why should rural hunters be subsidized by the taxpayer?

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 7:10am

This argument has the sophistication of a freshman in the first week of his Econ

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:12am

LOL, so what? But, you paint too stark a picture. Plenty of non-wealthy people

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 7:28am

Subsidy is a fine way to put it. I'm fine giving poor desert dwellers out west

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:39am

And like all public goods, it degrades over time to the point that it's not

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 10:25am

Privatization seems to yield better stewardship of resources...

cdr88

2/24/17 8:28pm

RE: There will be hunting, you'll just have to pay more to do it.

LCcoug

2/24/17 11:17pm

I agree and disagree.

TaiJuan

2/24/17 6:54am

The national monuments are a separate issue, imo. And I agree that they are

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 7:44am

I agree. I'm not a fan of the suits (though I could live with some additional

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:48am

I don't think the Federal government should just hand over land to the states.

chilango

2/24/17 11:42am

Of course it should. It's unconstitutional for the feds to own it.

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 11:59am

Incorrect. The vast majority of federal land, especially in the western states,

chilango

2/24/17 12:17pm

Utah is a little bit of a different animal in this regards

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 2:52pm

Fair point, but note that the lands were seized from the LDS church, and not

chilango

2/24/17 3:04pm

The federal government can only own land necessary and proper to carry out its

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 3:00pm

RE: The federal government can only own land necessary and proper to carry out

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 3:07pm

I get a kick out of people listing court cases as if that's an argument

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 3:59pm

Except the Property Clause explicitly trumps the Property Management Clause

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 6:37pm

There's literally nothing in that phrasing that supports what you are saying

Freddie Cougar

2/25/17 4:32pm

Clearly the Founding Fathers felt otherwise, as evidenced by their actions in

chilango

2/24/17 3:31pm

The Louisiana purchase was acquired by treaty and was eventually disposed of

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 4:07pm

And what happens when the fed wants to prevent hunting? Then the entire country

Spine

2/24/17 12:11pm

Will that mean it'll be easier or harder for me to pull a bull elk tag?

chago04

2/24/17 5:56am

You'll get the tag easier. But where will you find the bull?

Bert609

2/24/17 6:30am

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JimmyZ

2/24/17 6:11am

Recreational hunting will be replaced with government/private trappers/hunters.

Bert609

2/24/17 6:31am

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JimmyZ

2/24/17 6:33am

I've seen it in my own backyard. Deer population gets to big,

Bert609

2/24/17 6:41am

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JimmyZ

2/24/17 7:14am

The states would fight that so hard. Hunting brings a lot of money into state

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:09am

People still hunt?? Why?

pink22

2/24/17 8:56am

There's something primal about providing your own food. I also think if you eat

TaiJuan

2/24/17 9:08am

Good reason to get out in nature, more humane than cattle

chago04

2/24/17 9:46am

Or woman, or child. I don't hunt (unless you count fishing), but I agree with

Jay Rick

2/24/17 10:07am

Exactly. There aren't many things as ridiculous as someone who eats meat

WhiteAndBlue

2/24/17 11:46am

Every time I read a comment, or question, like this I commit to killing one more

WhiteAndBlue

2/24/17 10:40am

I'll bet you do

pink22

2/24/17 11:09am

That's another half an animal.

WhiteAndBlue

2/24/17 11:48am

Why not? Give a valid reason for not doing it.

Sir Hammer

2/24/17 5:25pm

It is also a great population control method for some species like deer.

Spine

2/24/17 5:32pm

oh well

Cougarealist

2/24/17 4:38pm

I'm not a hunter, but I don't think that is close to true.

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