That's what they said about Arizona but the state has been trying to

Feb 24, 2017
5:55:09am

chago04 All-American

Get the approval to sell land to private companies in order to generate revenue. So far we have defeated it twice but it's only a matter of time.

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I think hunting is on the way out as a general public recreation

OU Cougar

2/24/17 4:52am

Especially (in Utah) if Utah privatizes public lands.

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 5:16am

It is not going to be privatized if the state takes over.

Dixie's Red Rocks

2/24/17 5:51am

That's what they said about Arizona but the state has been trying to

chago04

2/24/17 5:55am

Also, as a hunter from back east, hunting is way better out west.

chago04

2/24/17 6:03am

RE: Also, as a hunter from back east, hunting is way better out west.

LCcoug

2/24/17 11:06pm

I wont say that nothing will be sold but it will likely be a small amount.

Dixie's Red Rocks

2/24/17 6:13am

Feds lose money on public lands because its unsustainable. States will won't

Bert609

2/24/17 6:30am

Most of the off-roaders I know back east come to the west because they either

Bert609

2/24/17 6:28am

It should be privatized!

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 6:35am

Nobody would line up to hunt on the land where the Bundy family operates. It's

gwalker

2/24/17 6:37am

The point is that if the state owned the land and held it up for sale, people

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 7:50am

You have a great deal of optimism. Misplaced

macdizzle

2/24/17 4:46pm

There will be hunting, you'll just have to pay more to do it.

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 6:33am

How is that a positive outcome for the average rural hunter who grew up hunting

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:03am

It's not, but why should rural hunters be subsidized by the taxpayer?

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 7:10am

This argument has the sophistication of a freshman in the first week of his Econ

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:12am

LOL, so what? But, you paint too stark a picture. Plenty of non-wealthy people

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 7:28am

Subsidy is a fine way to put it. I'm fine giving poor desert dwellers out west

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:39am

And like all public goods, it degrades over time to the point that it's not

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 10:25am

Privatization seems to yield better stewardship of resources...

cdr88

2/24/17 8:28pm

RE: There will be hunting, you'll just have to pay more to do it.

LCcoug

2/24/17 11:17pm

I agree and disagree.

TaiJuan

2/24/17 6:54am

The national monuments are a separate issue, imo. And I agree that they are

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 7:44am

I agree. I'm not a fan of the suits (though I could live with some additional

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:48am

I don't think the Federal government should just hand over land to the states.

chilango

2/24/17 11:42am

Of course it should. It's unconstitutional for the feds to own it.

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 11:59am

Incorrect. The vast majority of federal land, especially in the western states,

chilango

2/24/17 12:17pm

Utah is a little bit of a different animal in this regards

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 2:52pm

Fair point, but note that the lands were seized from the LDS church, and not

chilango

2/24/17 3:04pm

The federal government can only own land necessary and proper to carry out its

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 3:00pm

RE: The federal government can only own land necessary and proper to carry out

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 3:07pm

I get a kick out of people listing court cases as if that's an argument

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 3:59pm

Except the Property Clause explicitly trumps the Property Management Clause

bluebloodedcoug

2/24/17 6:37pm

There's literally nothing in that phrasing that supports what you are saying

Freddie Cougar

2/25/17 4:32pm

Clearly the Founding Fathers felt otherwise, as evidenced by their actions in

chilango

2/24/17 3:31pm

The Louisiana purchase was acquired by treaty and was eventually disposed of

Freddie Cougar

2/24/17 4:07pm

And what happens when the fed wants to prevent hunting? Then the entire country

Spine

2/24/17 12:11pm

Will that mean it'll be easier or harder for me to pull a bull elk tag?

chago04

2/24/17 5:56am

You'll get the tag easier. But where will you find the bull?

Bert609

2/24/17 6:30am

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JimmyZ

2/24/17 6:11am

Recreational hunting will be replaced with government/private trappers/hunters.

Bert609

2/24/17 6:31am

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JimmyZ

2/24/17 6:33am

I've seen it in my own backyard. Deer population gets to big,

Bert609

2/24/17 6:41am

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JimmyZ

2/24/17 7:14am

The states would fight that so hard. Hunting brings a lot of money into state

TaiJuan

2/24/17 7:09am

People still hunt?? Why?

pink22

2/24/17 8:56am

There's something primal about providing your own food. I also think if you eat

TaiJuan

2/24/17 9:08am

Good reason to get out in nature, more humane than cattle

chago04

2/24/17 9:46am

Or woman, or child. I don't hunt (unless you count fishing), but I agree with

Jay Rick

2/24/17 10:07am

Exactly. There aren't many things as ridiculous as someone who eats meat

WhiteAndBlue

2/24/17 11:46am

Every time I read a comment, or question, like this I commit to killing one more

WhiteAndBlue

2/24/17 10:40am

I'll bet you do

pink22

2/24/17 11:09am

That's another half an animal.

WhiteAndBlue

2/24/17 11:48am

Why not? Give a valid reason for not doing it.

Sir Hammer

2/24/17 5:25pm

It is also a great population control method for some species like deer.

Spine

2/24/17 5:32pm

oh well

Cougarealist

2/24/17 4:38pm

I'm not a hunter, but I don't think that is close to true.

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