Its easier to take over a "good" program and make strides than a bad program.

May 5, 2015
4:20:26pm

Reasonable1

Good coaches aren't going to want to take over a program in shambles. (Unless you pay them Texas or Michigan money at a huge program.)

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:12pm

Your "good is an enemy to great" pretty much nails it

Turnpike Lane

5/5/15 1:16pm

That quote comes from the book "Good to Great",

Hinta

5/5/15 1:43pm

Taullis

5/5/15 1:17pm

Yep. The best 10 year stretch of BYU football not including the year 1984...

db59840

5/5/15 1:26pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:29pm

Thats right...

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 1:49pm

Yup. No conference, no access to money bowls, losing to rivals consistently,

RSLCoug

5/5/15 1:33pm

30+ years ago...

Smoke Monster

5/5/15 1:38pm

I would say 2006 was "remotely close".

db59840

5/5/15 1:47pm

He has been better than remotely close 4 times.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 1:51pm

Pretty early in the thread to bring up that straw man. There isn't a fan on this

messi

5/5/15 3:03pm

Do you know what a straw man is?

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 3:27pm

Im a bad poster. But you sir are turrible. Just turrible.

Gerald-DeGroot

5/5/15 4:33pm

LOL - Thanks for the compliment.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:36pm

I dont get it.

Gerald-DeGroot

5/5/15 8:20pm

I love when you bring up BYU's theoretical BCS year.

swingcat

5/5/15 4:37pm

I love that you are such a yewt fan

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:38pm

ahhh, sweetheart. If that came from anyone else it would be insulting.

swingcat

5/5/15 5:13pm

Sorry... I'm married...

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 5:34pm

One of the most pathetic arguments on the board

Jkampana

5/5/15 4:44pm

do you have anything more than just your opinion to go on?

icecougar

5/5/15 4:41pm

Pfffft.... Easy.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:42pm

hahaha...touche

icecougar

5/5/15 4:43pm

That is all PP does on this board. Spews his opinion and act as if it were fact.

Jkampana

5/5/15 4:45pm

When was the last time you posted a link to "prove" a point?

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:51pm

Link?

Jkampana

5/5/15 4:53pm

Got it slugger.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 5:05pm

That's what you consider to be close?

Smoke Monster

5/5/15 1:54pm

You appear to watch sports in binary: Either you have an undefeated season or

db59840

5/5/15 1:58pm

2006 wasn't close to what Utah accomplished in 2004 and 2008...

Smoke Monster

5/5/15 2:03pm

Thats right!!!!! Two whole plays were the difference in 2006......

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 2:09pm

One OT loss on the road is the only thing that separates 1996 from 2006. How is

db59840

5/5/15 2:09pm

I just want to understand where you are coming from...

Smoke Monster

5/5/15 2:20pm

BYU 2006; AZ makes 52 yd FG to win, Utah; TCU misses two 20 yd FG to lose.

Cougar76

5/5/15 2:36pm

In 2008... 1st week of Novermber Utah was ranked 10th...

Smoke Monster

5/5/15 2:59pm

I don't get your argument about when teams were ranked...

byu_coug

5/5/15 10:17pm

Utah smoked Alabama in the Sugar Bowl.....

RupertPupkin

5/5/15 3:03pm

Yes. BYU was lucky to win all their games in 1984. To be a champion you have to

db59840

5/5/15 3:19pm

......and?

RupertPupkin

5/5/15 3:29pm

I think you fail to realize just how random the outcomes of sporting events

db59840

5/5/15 3:40pm

RE: I think you fail to realize just how random the outcomes of sporting events

RupertPupkin

5/5/15 4:54pm

It's not a coin flip, but "being good" only gets you so far. You need luck to

db59840

5/5/15 5:10pm

RE: It's not a coin flip, but "being good" only gets you so far. You need luck

RupertPupkin

5/5/15 8:05pm

My question for you then...

byu_coug

5/5/15 5:23pm

RE: My question for you then...

RupertPupkin

5/5/15 8:08pm

What you just described has never been the history at BYU

byu_coug

5/5/15 10:00pm

I have a hypothesis that this is related to where fans live. I'm going to go

db59840

5/6/15 11:11am

RE: What you just described has never been the history at BYU

RupertPupkin

5/6/15 11:26am

The better team makes the plays necessary to win

Utesplease

5/6/15 12:46pm

lol. TCU did not miss 2 20 yard fgs

Utesplease

5/5/15 3:38pm

LOL - you are so right.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:49pm

That, or you need to look up the terms "remote" and "close" in the dictionary.

db59840

5/5/15 1:59pm

1974-1983?

Turnpike Lane

5/5/15 1:41pm

That's the only other comparable 10 year period not including 1984.

db59840

5/5/15 1:56pm

1985-94

Y05

5/5/15 8:13pm

That is essentially what I wrote in response to the poll and I agree. Crowton

Real Men Wear Blue

5/5/15 1:26pm

You make a great strawman argument

BYUMizzou

5/5/15 1:27pm

Yep. I think we can all agree we would like to see better results. An NY6 now

db59840

5/5/15 1:31pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:34pm

But it's NOT a given. Crowton didn't run a clean ship. Not even close.

db59840

5/5/15 1:49pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:50pm

Which proves that it's not a given. Crowton couldn't do it. Bronco has done it.

db59840

5/5/15 2:01pm

Bronco has had plenty of time and has plateaued

Tip Tucker

5/5/15 1:29pm

So by plateaued you mean that barring injuries last year...

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 1:53pm

last year was an awful schedule

Tip Tucker

5/5/15 1:58pm

Last year was an awful schedule??????

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 2:10pm

This year is a very good schedule

Tip Tucker

5/5/15 2:18pm

You really believe it was one of the best ever?

checoug

5/5/15 2:32pm

LOL - Awful. Such hyperbole

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 3:32pm

your theories are not facts.

swingcat

5/5/15 4:53pm

You really have a keen eye for the near obvious

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 5:10pm

Losing badly to Utah State at home and 4 straight against Utah hurts so bad

Rise Against

5/5/15 1:35pm

Plus trying to ice a kicker on a PAT by using two crucial TO's. Ouch.

Rise Against

5/5/15 1:36pm

Plus....I know this will require therapy to bring up again, but.....Riley Nelsen

Rise Against

5/5/15 1:37pm

That's the best example

wilsdad

5/5/15 3:20pm

You mean Hill the freshman who was just back from a mission?

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:41pm

Yes, that same guy that almost single handily won us the game against Boise

Rise Against

5/5/15 7:36pm

So, I agree that Hill would have been better....

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 9:37pm

"If you demand perfection or nothing, you will always end up with nothing."

HuskerFan2

5/5/15 1:36pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:41pm

You're right. If BYU fans dig that hole we're not coming out.

HuskerFan2

5/5/15 1:49pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:56pm

Wow. You really have a vendetta dont you?

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 1:57pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 2:05pm

Who? Buck?

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 2:11pm

When I read the BoM I think 600 & 400 yrs is not so long to read. For you it

Q-grr

5/5/15 1:49pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:52pm

Yes, it seems that things are dismal, but in the grand scheme we will survive to

Q-grr

5/5/15 1:58pm

So....

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 1:56pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:58pm

No they arent.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 2:12pm

The truth comes out. It's all about Utah.

Blue Cat

5/5/15 1:57pm

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Mall Santa

5/5/15 1:59pm

No, you don't get it.

Blue Cat

5/5/15 2:04pm

If you can't own recruiting in your own state there is a problem

Tip Tucker

5/5/15 2:10pm

So both BYU and Utah are in trouble.

Blue Cat

5/5/15 2:24pm

I agree it is bad for both schools

Tip Tucker

5/5/15 2:27pm

Not really.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 2:14pm

Do you see any changes in the positive direction?

Bob Vance

5/5/15 2:29pm

So the question comes down to, and has always been: Who on earth do you

ocmyhome

5/5/15 3:03pm

I hope Tom is already exploring both options

HuskerFan2

5/5/15 3:47pm

Right back at you.

CMuehle

5/5/15 3:12pm

Exactly right...

byu_coug

5/5/15 4:38pm

Great post. Exactly how I feel.

Gerald-DeGroot

5/5/15 4:12pm

Its easier to take over a "good" program and make strides than a bad program.

Reasonable1

5/5/15 4:20pm

I love how more money than ever, better TV coverage than ever,

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:28pm

Alex smith and Weddle made Urbans takeover a lot easier.

Reasonable1

5/5/15 4:37pm

you forgot that all this occurred while playing top 15 SOS's in back to back yrs

icecougar

5/5/15 4:38pm

All very true.

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 4:54pm

Also, Crowton didn't get to hire his own staff of assistants, he had to carry...

icecougar

5/6/15 2:14am

Or if Luke Staley had stayed for his Sr Season.

PolarisPrime

5/6/15 10:56am

Sorry. Crowton muffed it so many times in so many ways. Hard to defend

Coogar2

5/5/15 5:24pm

he did make a lot of mistakes but just about anyone would in his situation...

icecougar

5/6/15 2:30am

Crowton's biggest mistake was not honoring the honor code with his recruiting

Q-grr

5/6/15 10:04am

I think it was more that he didn't realize

PolarisPrime

5/6/15 11:01am

The biggest issue I have with this is all evidence points to the contrary

Still Questing

5/5/15 4:49pm

Exactly. When replacing a winning coach in college it rarely gets more wins

Coogar2

5/5/15 5:22pm

And it hasn't gotten any better

PolarisPrime

5/5/15 5:37pm

Caboom!

mtnKat

5/5/15 6:10pm

Three words

Freddie Cougar

5/5/15 6:06pm

Great post. I agree wholeheartedly.

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