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The Dick Harmon interview on 1280 reveals a lot
Claire Standish
1/24/18 7:18pm
My son is in 9th grade and I have got to give him other options....
idacoug
1/24/18 7:21pm
Idacoug...gotta love BYU-Idaho baby
OU Cougar
1/24/18 7:59pm
Funny how BYU students are suddenly nerds when your kids can’t get in
SneakerPimp
1/24/18 8:47pm
I called byu nerdtown when I was there 20 years ago, but nice assumption.
idacoug
1/24/18 10:14pm
Me too but can only imagine what it is now.
timponyloco
1/24/18 11:02pm
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JupiterJones
1/25/18 3:31pm
BYU students have always been a unique bunch
cedar cougar
1/25/18 6:50am
As far as I know, the "tunnel singing" thing isn't a new phenomenon.
Eddie
1/25/18 10:08am
Why not just own it?
ditch
1/25/18 11:47am
That's kinda the definition of 'Nerd'
Dissenter
1/25/18 11:51am
Thanks for trying
ditch
1/25/18 12:48pm
Only a nerd would look up the real definition.
ditch
1/25/18 12:52pm
And I'm not even claiming to be smart.
ditch
1/25/18 12:53pm
Geeks, not nerds.
JupiterJones
1/25/18 3:32pm
go to SLCC for a year and transfer
MWKV3
1/24/18 10:48pm
Even transferring is hard. My son did not get in with an Associates degree.
scott715
1/24/18 11:28pm
Getting accepted as a transfer depends on your GPA; must be atleast 3.85.
LifelongAP
1/24/18 11:38pm
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BaseballCoug
1/24/18 11:53pm
I transferred from UVSC (before UVU) with a 3.4
DCCougFan
1/25/18 7:06am
I think what did him in was lack of extracurricular activities.
scott715
1/25/18 9:13am
that's the average for out of high school, for transfers it's 3.3 I think
Hill4Heisman
1/25/18 1:26pm
My daughter tried to transfer from Chandler-Gilbert before her mission and got rejected...
Adrielle
1/30/18 8:58pm
I got in in 2011 with under a 3.0. There's hope
Dissenter
1/25/18 11:51am
I don't believe that for a second. Athletes certainly get breaks. If you're a good athlete with a 19 ACT score and a 2.5
Brisco
1/24/18 7:23pm
Harmon covers BYU and recruiting year in and out
Claire Standish
1/24/18 7:26pm
I’ll bet there are a bunch of scholarship football players with minimal
idacoug
1/24/18 7:30pm
IIRC BYU does not accept the NCAA minimum
Nat Gas Man
1/24/18 7:30pm
I'll buy that. You scarecly have to know how to read to clear the NCAA minimum.
Brisco
1/24/18 7:43pm
Dayan didn’t clear the minimum
jrj84105
1/25/18 10:45am
He's not the only one. BYU is actively recruiting non-qualifiers by telling
Scratch
1/25/18 10:52am
See how many kids have BYU and Marshall offers
jrj84105
1/25/18 10:57am
I am quite sure that Utah uses its full allotment of non-qualifiers:
NewMexiCoug
1/25/18 11:18am
Utah does occasionally. I think they only allow one per team every couple of
Scratch
1/25/18 11:33am
4 per school per academic year for the school's entire AD.
NewMexiCoug
1/25/18 11:35am
That's what the conference allows. Utah then limits them so that they get spread
Scratch
1/25/18 11:41am
That’s a conference rule, not a Utah rule. MWC allows none.
jrj84105
1/25/18 12:07pm
I've been told by someone in football that there are both. The conference has
Scratch
1/25/18 12:40pm
PAC rule: Two men, Two women, no more than 1 per sport.
jrj84105
1/25/18 11:54am
You don't know that it was GPA or ACT. It could have been a mix-up on
NewMexiCoug
1/25/18 11:08am
But the issue was that he never cleared the NCAA clearinghouse and that did not
Scratch
1/25/18 11:35am
By the way, this was the same thing that happened with Pita T. If you recall,
Scratch
1/25/18 11:40am
And yet we know Utah takes non qualifiers
AC_Coug
1/25/18 12:45pm
The issue is BYU coaches getting a pass for recruiting failure based on falacy
jrj84105
1/25/18 3:42pm
This was not the case under Bronco, which is my point. Pita T occurred under
NewMexiCoug
1/27/18 12:22pm
You’re missing the point on Lake. Even if they thought Lake would qualify,
Scratch
1/27/18 12:58pm
That’s just entrance. What about staying eligible?
AC_Coug
1/29/18 11:21pm
RE: That’s just entrance. What about staying eligible?
jrj84105
1/30/18 8:05am
Compelling evidence here
jrj84105
1/30/18 8:08am
I got into byu as an undergrad applicant and for grad school. Next
AC_Coug
1/30/18 10:33am
Actually compelling evidence that Utah players I knew
AC_Coug
1/30/18 10:36am
With all the help they receive, there's no excuse for players just about
Scratch
1/30/18 8:59am
Byu has taken one non qualifier that we know of
AC_Coug
1/30/18 10:32am
You’re absolutely wrong on both accounts.
jrj84105
1/29/18 10:21pm
Kids as in Dayan Lake because the rest is pure conjecture
AC_Coug
1/30/18 10:36pm
Just because they aren't public like Lake doesn't make it conjecture.
Scratch
1/31/18 9:06am
Sure it does. Just because they can doesn’t mean they do
AC_Coug
1/31/18 11:08am
Yes they do. Because they are not public does not mean that there are no people
Scratch
1/31/18 11:15am
But do you know of any?
AC_Coug
1/31/18 11:18am
Yes I do. Several. A couple of current players and a couple of current recruits.
Scratch
1/31/18 11:32am
You have a lot of people willing to confide very personal
AC_Coug
1/31/18 11:46am
I do recall Pita T, but your characterization of the events is not accuratre
NewMexiCoug
1/27/18 12:20pm
You’re wrong. Utah got Pita qualified. If it had just been the NQ waiver he
Scratch
1/27/18 12:48pm
If you followed recruiting.....
jrj84105
1/25/18 12:06pm
I sure hope so. We'd be dumb not to
Ulysses14
1/24/18 7:41pm
That is definitely true.
AZ Coug
1/24/18 8:12pm
Check your boardmail.
Brisco
1/24/18 7:40pm
If an athlete did have lower score/grades, it's likely an exception to the norm
Claire Standish
1/24/18 7:58pm
Claire, Claire, Claire.
Brisco
1/24/18 8:09pm
Give the Harmon interview a listen before rushing to judgement
Claire Standish
1/24/18 8:42pm
I can tell you with 100% confidence that athletes at BYU do get "special breaks"
goldy
1/24/18 10:54pm
A relative of mine was recruited to play a sport for BYU. Coach said: "Send...
cougarmeister
1/24/18 10:53pm
The same can also be said in other programs but perhaps not
soupie
1/24/18 11:05pm
Well now we know what the average GPA is 3.9 and the ACT is 29.6
Nat Gas Man
1/24/18 11:12pm
And doesn't have near the access and contacts that he used to have. Makes a lot
basman
1/24/18 8:18pm
His deductive processing has always been suspect too. And his hard-working
mantis mutu
1/24/18 11:17pm
There are plenty of kids on the football team who do not meet the academic
Nagurski
1/25/18 10:28am
Know a kid w/ Utah offer to play FB a few yrs ago. Not even offered
soupie
1/24/18 7:54pm
I have a hard time believing there weren't other factors tht were the real issue
mantis mutu
1/25/18 12:11am
had to be an excuse - I know of player on the team that was told they could
truecougster
1/25/18 12:25am
A friend of mine was admitted with a 24 ACT and 3.5 GPA. He was not an athlete.
Gorum the Old
1/25/18 6:57am
The averages have been creeping up every year. Maybe this was the public
soupie
1/25/18 7:54am
At a previous job, I looked at application details as part of my job function...
lspin01l
1/24/18 8:23pm
Just like it works at most schools
Kerbouchard
1/25/18 11:00am
Not for football under Bronco.
NewMexiCoug
1/24/18 9:16pm
I wouldn’t be too sure. My friend was a football recruit
Redfiretruck
1/24/18 10:01pm
Night and day difference for a walkon.
Scratch
1/24/18 10:04pm
Was offered a scholarship from BYU but not Boise
Redfiretruck
1/24/18 10:58pm
Boise has higher admission standards for athletes
jrj84105
1/25/18 10:49am
You really love this point.
AC_Coug
1/25/18 12:23pm
BYU is more difficult to stay eligible...
Cougstreak
1/25/18 1:00pm
Maybe it is that byu just holds players more accountable
AC_Coug
1/25/18 2:14pm
RE: Maybe it is that byu just holds players more accountable
Cougstreak
1/25/18 2:16pm
Compared to sec and state schools I would say it is much tougher
AC_Coug
1/25/18 2:18pm
At best minimal. No real disadvantage to BYU.
Cougstreak
1/26/18 6:55am
I guess you have the answer for everything. Sorry to question you all knowing
AC_Coug
1/26/18 10:51am
Is that your response? Ha.
Cougstreak
1/26/18 11:06am
Except byu doesn’t take as many non qualifiers as possible
AC_Coug
1/30/18 8:02pm
Is there is any difference in BYU and others it is minimal.
Cougstreak
1/31/18 10:08am
But what evidence do you have that staying eligible
AC_Coug
1/31/18 11:23am
Ha ha.
Cougstreak
1/31/18 11:43am
Logic is the key
AC_Coug
1/31/18 10:34pm
The NCAA even banned BYU coursework for eligibility because it was too easy
jrj84105
1/25/18 4:10pm
That was the old home school crap. Much has changed since then
Nat Gas Man
1/25/18 4:54pm
Just as many anecdotes go this way than athletes getting special breaks
Claire Standish
1/24/18 11:17pm
No offense but if the coaches wanted him bad enough
RockyBalboa
1/25/18 10:14am
While it is true that they do get a break, even at BYU, the minimum
The Llama
1/25/18 8:26am
"Quite a bit higher"......not accurate
Cougstreak
1/25/18 9:04am
Well, I'm happy to say I'm wrong if you would explain your reasoning.
The Llama
1/25/18 9:14am
RE: Well, I'm happy to say I'm wrong if you would explain your reasoning.
Cougstreak
1/25/18 9:52am
I'll admit the use of "quite a bit higher" was probably incorrect
The Llama
1/25/18 3:13pm
Also, I never said BYU was like ND or Stanford. I said they are more strict than
The Llama
1/25/18 3:16pm
RE: Well, I'm happy to say I'm wrong if you would explain your reasoning.
jrj84105
1/25/18 10:51am
NCAA Clearinghouse for good athletes and nonqualifier for better athletes =
ALUF 1990
1/24/18 7:27pm
Dick Harmon is a sportswriter and not an academic
CMuehle
1/24/18 7:31pm
Correct.
Brisco
1/24/18 7:44pm
Can we PLEASE stop this stupid narrative. It simply isn’t true.
itsuptoyou
1/24/18 7:56pm
That may be true at times, but I know for a fact that Bronco had a GPA standard
NewMexiCoug
1/24/18 8:01pm
How long ago? Lots of changes since 2006
Turnpike Lane
1/24/18 8:24pm
Byu has had a lot of academically ineligible players
AC_Coug
1/24/18 9:35pm
Look everyone, Dick Harmon is not known for being inaccurate or spreading false
Claire Standish
1/24/18 10:53pm
Everything he writes is a puff piece about BYU IMO. There's no way this is
Nakedbootleg
1/24/18 10:59pm
He writes what? Not that I have seen. He’s been pretty outspoken
Mathew
1/24/18 11:33pm
As a former BYU athlete, I can confirm this! Much easier to get in as an athlete
RUNBYU1
1/24/18 11:15pm
Yes, but do you know anyone who was even near the levels set on the NCAA
NewMexiCoug
1/25/18 6:03am
I know a teammate who got in with an 18 on his ACT but couldn’t get in w/the 16
RUNBYU1
1/25/18 9:16am
Worth noting that he was an all-American athlete
RUNBYU1
1/25/18 9:17am
If the NCAA sliding scale was in use, that means his core course GPA would
NewMexiCoug
1/25/18 11:02am
RE: Yes, but do you know anyone who was even near the levels set on the NCAA
jrj84105
1/25/18 10:53am
Or non-existant.
jrj84105
1/25/18 10:51am
He is correct about non-athletes
Croweater
1/25/18 11:40am
Dick Harmon is the propaganda arm of BYU, not a sportswriter
Go_Trojans
1/25/18 3:44pm
I didn't know BYU played in the Davis Cup...are we our own country? Who knew...
SneakerPimp
1/24/18 7:56pm
BYU is its own planet. Didn't you get the memo?
CougarThug
1/24/18 8:08pm
The world is our campus.
Iron Coug
1/24/18 10:01pm
Some of you guys are in for a shock when you try to get your kids into BYU...
TheLost
1/24/18 7:58pm
I think she'll get in but you still have a very good point.
soupie
1/24/18 8:00pm
She will get in and probably get scholarships.
itsuptoyou
1/24/18 8:00pm
She would be accepted in 5 seconds if she were an athlete
AZ Coug
1/24/18 8:15pm
She will get in easily, but it is getting very hard for sure.
WizeGuise
1/24/18 8:17pm
nearly everyone with those metrics got in last year. I'd bet 97% of applicants with those metrics get in this year.
HarlemCoug
1/24/18 8:30pm
My daughter had a 4.0 with 27ACT, PResident of Seminary Council, Stake Youth
TheHop
1/24/18 8:34pm
My daughter has a 4.0, 27 on her ACT, school SB president, Seminary President
OGSuperfan
1/25/18 8:53am
Well played, sir. Well played, indeed.
NewYorkCougar
1/25/18 9:43am
According to BYU's webpage, the admissions rate is 53%, not exactly a
vaquero
1/24/18 9:14pm
Compared to the elite schools yes. Compared to most state schools no
AC_Coug
1/24/18 9:36pm
BYU isn't a state school. To make a better comparison on admission rates
vaquero
1/24/18 9:55pm
I’m comparing them to all schools since those are their peers
AC_Coug
1/25/18 12:25pm
Admission rate tells almost nothing.
RealityCheck
1/24/18 10:09pm
Most of the 47% rejected are Females from Utah...
TheLost
1/25/18 9:05am
Another source suggests otherwise; 44% of applicants were men of which
vaquero
1/25/18 10:12am
there is a high amount of self-selection before application
Bob Vance
1/25/18 11:00am
As well there should be at any better school. BYU is not the same as
vaquero
1/25/18 11:41am
Yes, i wish the church would continue in "the education business" and expand. I think they worry about
Bob Vance
1/25/18 4:51pm
She'll get in. Seminary president?
Kerbouchard
1/24/18 10:17pm
This is true for students who graduated from a Utah High School...
TrueBlue67
1/24/18 10:29pm
No it’s not
TheHop
1/24/18 11:36pm
Its True.. Its harder to get into BYU if your from Utah and Female.
TheLost
1/25/18 8:58am
Interesting, thank you for posting.
Cougstreak
1/25/18 9:12am
Not true. The women thing was true but only for two years. Utah thing is bogus.
jvquarterback
1/25/18 9:47am
Interesting, thank you for posting.
Cougstreak
1/25/18 10:03am
It's not Utah students, it's west coast students, and the boost is less than 2%
SWP
1/25/18 10:57am
Reason # 23,823 to not live in Utah!!
CObluezone
1/25/18 4:30am
Mostly cuz schools elsewhere in the country (not everywhere, mind you) are quite
mantis mutu
1/25/18 7:05am
BYU Grads all have about 5 kids and then want all their kids to go to BYU.
baldcoug74
1/24/18 10:35pm
They post averages right on their sight. She'll get in unless
canofpicante
1/24/18 10:40pm
She will get in. 100%. That’s an auto lock for admission.
yapacoug
1/24/18 10:56pm
As a scholarship athlete, I got in with a 28 ACT and 3.3 GPA 15 years ago. I
RUNBYU1
1/24/18 10:58pm
I wouldn't let her in because seminary president is a stupid thing.
Turd Ferguson
1/24/18 11:01pm
Toughest denial which I've seen relatively closely
cajuncoug
1/24/18 11:05pm
Told by who?
JuicyJam
1/25/18 5:59am
Who told you she wouldn't get in? That person is terribly wrong.
mudpupper
1/25/18 8:59am
My wife is Hispanic, so my kids will get in 🙂.
dYrtbYkerYder
1/25/18 11:04am
Your daughter will get in. Quit worrying.
kccougar
1/25/18 11:41am
Is she from Utah? I've seen out of staters get in with much worse grades
D.T. Survivor
1/25/18 1:29pm
This is true for the typical student. However, students with special talents and
Monomachos
1/24/18 8:24pm
To say athletes get no breaks because there
bluegato
1/24/18 9:02pm
It's deficit hard to get into BYU, unless you are an athlete. He's conflating to separate things
Adrielle
1/24/18 9:12pm
There are players on the team that didn't get even a 20 on the ACT.
LifelongAP
1/24/18 9:48pm
If so, it's exception and special circumstances and not the norm
Claire Standish
1/24/18 10:40pm
No. Athletes who have care about school are the exception.
itsuptoyou
1/25/18 6:30am
you are dead wrong. It's the norm not the exception with athletes.
A Drew Aitch
1/25/18 7:25am
Here is the NCAA admissions sliding Test/GPA scale. Basically, a 10 ACT
NewMexiCoug
1/25/18 5:59am
This is why Utah and frankly Utah State could become a bigger threat to BYU.
saltlakecoug1
1/24/18 10:12pm
BYU’s counter is that they have LOWER academic requirements
jrj84105
1/25/18 12:13pm
I got in by an act of heaven
SalemBlue
1/24/18 10:59pm
Yeah, those things USED to happen. Thankfully for many of us.
mantis mutu
1/24/18 11:21pm
Oh boy. Here we go.
Gerald-DeGroot
1/24/18 11:45pm
He's right. Remember that streak KVN had on Jeopardy?
uberslacker
1/25/18 4:48am
this is completely false
PickleButton
1/25/18 6:32am
Zero credibility to this post or interview.....simply what the OP/Harmon is....
Cougstreak
1/25/18 8:05am
BYU has an enrollment of 33k, but should really be closer to 50k mark....
Guy On A Buffalo
1/25/18 8:42am
I disagree - I think we need fewer people. The church spends way too much tithing dollars on BYU. Expanding would
HarlemCoug
1/25/18 9:28am
And - as Arizona State has discovered - pushing enrollment over 50k lowers the
Game Changer
1/25/18 3:09pm
Michigan State has over 50k, Ohio State has over 60k. Nobody saying that those
Guy On A Buffalo
1/26/18 8:53am
Actually, pretty much everybody agrees that Michigan and Ohio State would be
Game Changer
1/27/18 1:23pm
IMHO they should jump to 50K and double tuition...reduce the subsidy
Nat Gas Man
1/27/18 4:49pm
Having been involved in admissions at small, selective private universities,
NYCUte
1/25/18 9:01am
All due respect to Dick Harmon but...
originalsocal
1/25/18 9:05am
He HAD great sources. Not even sure what he's got anymore. His location in SLC
mantis mutu
1/25/18 9:18am
I suspect HB Arnett would take offense to that comparison 🙂
AZ Coug
1/25/18 3:19pm
Acceptance Rates
Jeffacka
1/25/18 9:25am
I assumed some of those schools had to be under 30%.
mantis mutu
1/25/18 9:28am
BYU's more on par with Big Ten or ACC state schools for acceptance rate
The Chelsea Dagger
1/25/18 10:00am
We're actually on par w the Pac. There's a rather steep inequality among its
mantis mutu
1/25/18 10:14am
My point is that BYU has very few peers in the Pac 12 based on acceptance rate
The Chelsea Dagger
1/25/18 12:02pm
That is a meaningless statistic for BYU. Big school with a very limited pool of
Nat Gas Man
1/25/18 1:37pm
Bigger problem is that you can get a 4.0 at some schools with minimal effort...
Fdnman
1/25/18 1:57pm
that happened to my son as well when we moved to Chicago. 4.0 student
Nat Gas Man
1/25/18 2:03pm
I actually got lucky as they took all of my As and transferred them to As in the
Fdnman
1/25/18 2:07pm
which school, my son went to Libertyville, but there are some great schools
Nat Gas Man
1/25/18 2:14pm
St. Charles High School...north of Naperville
Fdnman
1/25/18 5:39pm
USC and Stanford are both tougher to get in to than the UCs and UW.
Jeffacka
1/25/18 10:33am
Yeah the UCs and USC are very hard, Stanford is ridiculous hard
Turd Ferguson
1/25/18 10:43am
BYU isn't too far off from that number. If BYU reduced the undergrad population
Nat Gas Man
1/25/18 3:05pm
RE: "we can't give special breaks to athletes"... Um
jomo
1/25/18 10:34am
I've wondered why BYU doesn't allow dropage on GPA for sports players?
stealth
1/25/18 1:11pm
They do. Athlete admissions are a much lower bar.
itsuptoyou
1/26/18 10:10am
I'd never get into BYU now
CharlottesvilleCoug
1/25/18 4:10pm
BYU average GPA and ACT scores are higher than USC.
oldrugger
1/25/18 6:06pm
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