Yep. The moment that happened our fate was sealed. Out of our control

Feb 25, 2018
8:28:40am

Croweater All-American

Too many of our fans want to tear down the efforts of Holmoe to keep us competitive. Too many suggest we didn’t do enough to get into the B12.

We are a victim of the class disparity in college sports. Our independence is a gallant effort to stay relevant, but at the end of the day it is lipstick on a pig

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BYU’s decline is a direct result of Utah joining the PAC-12

swaggy1090

2/25/18 7:45am

The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the PAC12

Richbyu

2/25/18 7:53am

How can you say this? Utah basketball has been a legit program in the PAC- football their mid level but get a pay check

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 7:58am

Since joining the PAC12, Utah has gone to the NCAA Tourney 2 out of 7 years.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:21am

They haven’t been the doormat of the PAC in basketball and if I recall they made a good run once or twice. I don’t

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:27am

I said they have been "middling". (that's down from what they were in the MWC)

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:32am

Kind of an interesting point you bring up- who in G5 has been consistently good in the last 7 years?

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:34am

In basketball? Wichita State. Some of the AAC teams have been pretty good.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:38am

Good call-

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 9:35am

Perhaps Butler also

Oldcougfan

2/25/18 10:31am

Butler has been in the new Big East for awhile now.

Ocho Cuatro

2/25/18 11:39am

The first several years were horrible in hoops, and would have been horrible in

Scratch

2/25/18 10:28am

He never said dormat. Reading comprehension fail.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:47am

Their recruiting continues to improve even after a 7-6 year...they have been

Gathers

2/25/18 8:46am

So if Big 12 comes calling we should just reject our membership to them. After

Mark320

3/12/18 3:31pm

You might be right that Utah will never win the PAC 12

mpfunk

2/25/18 8:09am

They definitely had more success from 03-10 compared to 11-18

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 8:23am

It is not absurd. Utah goes to the NCAA tournament LESS. Is ranked LOWER in

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:24am

I get the envy. I have it. But I’d take Utah’s success in the PAC since they’ve joined. Fans seem to buy in as well

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:29am

Envy? You are projecting... I haven't said anything that isn't accurate.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:36am

they have been in the top 25 at some point of every football season it seems. top 10 several times

BlueFrog

2/25/18 8:52am

Football has finished ranked 3 out of 4 years. How often did that happen in the

Scratch

2/25/18 10:44am

So why does Utah always get the PAC12's lower regarded bowl games?

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:10am

Used to go to the Fiesta and Sugar?

Rise as Utes

2/25/18 1:02pm

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Little Britches

2/25/18 2:01pm

Remind me of BUY’s last bigtime bowl again?? Sorry old age and all..

DocUte

2/25/18 1:20pm

No worries I get the envy...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:44pm

Actually, everything you’ve said is inaccurate.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:29pm

You're confusing success, with more interesting conference mates.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:51am

You’re cherry picking pre-P12 success. You’re also erroneously attributing

Scratch

2/25/18 11:59am

2014-2018 Utah trails only Oregon and Arizona in PAC12 conference wins

cav73

2/26/18 8:32am

Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12. Middling.

Richbyu

2/26/18 9:55am

On the verge of three NCAA tournament appearances in the last four years.

cav73

2/26/18 11:55am

Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12.

Richbyu

2/26/18 12:02pm

The hoops program would not have gone to the NCAA tournament from any

Scratch

2/25/18 10:38am

Honestly, we like where we are at. And it isn’t even close. It was fun smacking

DocUte

2/25/18 12:40pm

And yet your insecurity is showing as you frequent a BYU fan board.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 10:59pm

I’m here because I truly enjoy the rivalry, and it is fun to run smack

DocUte

2/26/18 12:27am

I thought Colorado was your rival. Hmm.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:05am

Got em.

DocUte

2/26/18 1:52am

RE: The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the

swaggy1090

2/25/18 8:59am

Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 9:05am

RE: Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.

swaggy1090

2/25/18 9:10am

I think it really comes down to what you want.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 9:52am

So why was BYU not crushing Utah when they were in the same conference?

Scratch

2/25/18 10:48am

You’re cherry picking a 5 year span if you’re

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:17pm

Not for the 20-25 years before Utah joined the P12.

Scratch

2/25/18 12:23pm

19-12 from 1980 to 2010

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:19pm

I said 20-15 years. The 25 years before Utah joined the P12, BYU went 13-12

Scratch

2/25/18 3:32pm

Also to clarify, I was not stating that BYU would crush Utah but that

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:19pm

It would hurt Utah but not crush Utah. How many recruits would utah have lost to

Scratch

2/25/18 12:25pm

Which would drop Utah from a #6 or #7 pac team that goes 8-4 or 7-5

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:21pm

Ha. A couple of guys wouldn't make that much of a difference, especially now

Scratch

2/25/18 3:33pm

If only Ifs could become reality...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:41pm

Exactly, if you were one of the few counting the money there would be some

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:23pm

The benifit is being a part of a P5...

DocUte

2/25/18 3:43pm

You're Wrong. One BCS bowl was under Whit

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:52am

FYI, Urban coached the Fiesta, but not the Sugar. KW

Rise as Utes

2/25/18 1:08pm

Bahaha! Nice wishful thinking. After 1 full recruiting cycle Utah FB finished

BigBrotherUte

2/25/18 11:13am

A lot of Utes are apparently confused about what the word "middling" means.

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:35am

Being a middling P12 team is infinitely better than being a top-tier G5 team.

Scratch

2/25/18 11:43am

That’s an opinion I disagree with.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:21pm

Great. Every P5 school and fan disagrees with you.

Scratch

2/25/18 12:26pm

By the way, why doesn’t BYU go back to the MWC where it was a top-tier team

Scratch

2/25/18 1:10pm

Lol, i like the teams you picked in the PAC for comparisons. Utah has split the

BigBrotherUte

2/25/18 1:47pm

They’ve finished ranked 3 of the last 4 years and have been ranked at some

Gathers

2/25/18 11:36am

Here is what the middle looks like:

Richbyu

2/25/18 12:05pm

Look at the last several years, that shows you what the P12 has done once

Scratch

2/25/18 12:22pm

Failure to read is why some Utes got lower ACT scores and were rejected by BYU

Richbyu

2/25/18 1:41pm

Ha, you’ve said utah has taken a step back, is achieving less, and accomplished

Scratch

2/25/18 2:47pm

You are easy fishing.. What other insecurities buttons should I try pushing to

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:33pm

So your goal was to act pompous and spout off nonsense to provoke a response?

Scratch

2/25/18 11:44pm

Aren't you the "Ute fan" that requests all of BYU's football contracts?

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:55pm

Can we agree on this. The middle of the PAC >>>> Upper tier MWC. The quality

ALUF 1990

2/25/18 12:52pm

You make a good point re cheating in basketball...

Richbyu

2/25/18 1:44pm

Good job. First accurate post you’ve made in this entire thread.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:43pm

This has been the easiest fishing I've done in a while. Ute insecurities buttons

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:29pm

We may find that Utah cheated too, after recent reports?

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:04pm

You mean the recent reports that had nothing whatsoever to do with Utah cheating

Scratch

2/25/18 11:35pm

Utah cheated. Paid Kuzma agent money.

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:57pm

Hey we are playing some ultimate weed frisbee this weekend...

DocUte

2/26/18 12:22am

Yeah but did they buy him a Jetta or take him to Disneyland a bunch of times?

cav73

2/26/18 9:08am

Utah is part of that FBI investigation because they cheated.

Richbyu

2/26/18 9:54am

Utah is not part of the FBI investigation (at least there is no evidence of Utah

Scratch

2/26/18 9:57am

Utah got caught cheating. The school is now tied up with the FBI investigation.

Richbyu

2/26/18 10:01am

Are you not terribly bright or are you a troll? Because it's one or the other.

Scratch

2/26/18 10:09am

You can excuse Utah's cheating, but the FBI won't!

Richbyu

2/26/18 10:21am

He’s a a troll, Scratch. He’s admitted as much. At least he’s honest about it.

Demosthenes Red

2/28/18 9:17pm

Some irony... A Ute fan on a BYU fan board upset that he is getting "trolled"

Richbyu

2/28/18 11:26pm

Definitely not upset about it. Just think its funny you're working at it so hard

Demosthenes Red

3/1/18 9:43am

"Working hard"? I spend 10 seconds responding...

Richbyu

3/1/18 10:40am

Stop, you're sounding all cool and rational. Don't make me start liking you! 🙂

Demosthenes Red

3/1/18 3:34pm

I'd buy you an ice cream cone right now!

Richbyu

3/2/18 5:18pm

Also, this place is inundated with Ute fans pretending to be BYU fans.

Richbyu

2/28/18 11:28pm

How can you say that "positive results are inevitable" when other PAC

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:03pm

How much hatorade you drink tonight Georgie? Was it SEVEN by chance 😃

DocUte

2/26/18 12:26am

Enjoy it while it lasts. What goes around, comes around.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:07am

Lolzzz. Wish I could put money on this...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:36pm

That's just not accurate.

IronPotato

2/25/18 2:33pm

Uh, no.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:20pm

We've been very competitive and won a lot of games against very good teams

formerly utesplease

2/28/18 4:44am

You are looking at 2 NCAA tournament bids in 7 years.

Richbyu

2/28/18 7:57am

Or 3 in 4 years and 3 straight 1st rd draft picks. I like how you keep dodging

BigBrotherUte

2/28/18 6:14pm

I can also see why you're struggling to understand the PAC12 world vs the

BigBrotherUte

2/28/18 6:22pm

I'm not celebrating. That needs to be better and I've been critical of Larry's

formerly utesplease

3/1/18 1:01am

Larry has his own concerns now with the FBI.

Richbyu

3/1/18 7:36am

Not as much as the agent who paid kuz

formerly utesplease

3/4/18 7:02am

Larry is under investigation by the FBI for payments.

Richbyu

3/4/18 5:06pm

It must not have been enough considering Utah has come in 2nd for every

formerly utesplease

3/5/18 10:53pm

I think Utah has some real problems--never mess with the FBI

Richbyu

3/6/18 12:25pm

It isn't just Utah, it's the whole P5 system. It was designed to leave all

coolblue

2/25/18 8:02am

Yep. The moment that happened our fate was sealed. Out of our control

Croweater

2/25/18 8:28am

Except that we could be in the big 12

Josef K

2/25/18 9:16am

Except that we were never invited. We can't self-invite.

CougarThug

2/25/18 10:02am

You do not know this for certain

Adrielle

2/25/18 10:03am

That is a Mormon myth

Croweater

2/25/18 10:24am

Please name a few of these players.

golf1

2/25/18 9:12am

Covey, Nacua, Barton, Chase Hansen, Tuipai, Lotuleilei, Orchard, etc, etc

Jdoc

2/25/18 9:34am

Most of those are legacy Utes. Hansen went to be a QB. Nothing

golf1

2/25/18 4:00pm

I agree

Hoax

2/25/18 9:33am

I knew once I heard the news in 2010 and knowing that BYU was going Indy on 9/1

Mark320

2/25/18 9:49am

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RC Vikings

2/25/18 9:54am

I'd argue that if we stayed in the MWC we'd be in a lot worse shape. Indy is actually salvaging us, whatever

ocmyhome

2/25/18 10:16am

No one knows for certain...

TrueBlue67

2/25/18 10:19am

Or...it's the cyclical nature of athletics prevalent in virtually all programs

MormonThug

2/25/18 10:31am

Many many posts at the time said this. Indy was simply the next best option.

RealityCheck

2/25/18 10:40am

100% agree... And it's created more apathetic fans

germm

2/25/18 11:10am

RE: BYU’s decline is a direct result of Utah joining the PAC-12

rhatchmd

2/25/18 11:45am

Well, no doubt the P5 cartel $ / resources puts all non P5 at a significant

ZooBlue

2/25/18 12:17pm

It's too bad that the almighty $$ rules major college sports too. That's the way it is.

lightmann

2/25/18 1:13pm

So why don’t you cry about it? What is the purpose of the post?

Pretorian

2/25/18 2:37pm

And even then Utah can't sell their program without paying players

Y4LYFE

2/25/18 3:11pm

DocUte

2/25/18 6:54pm

Is it accurate that not much has changed with LDS mission kids, but that non-

sandiegocgrfan

2/25/18 3:12pm

Utah troll posted this. Why would an LDS recruit choose Utah over BYU? Why

bluebrotha

2/25/18 6:06pm

Wat??

DocUte

2/25/18 6:42pm

To answer your question Bro Blue...

DocUte

2/25/18 6:43pm

Yeah, Utah has never had a bad season. Thanks for settin that straight. Clueless

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:07pm

You’re welcome Georgie!

DocUte

2/26/18 12:18am

The anti-Mormon school with a Mormon HC and DC? And lots of other active LDS

Scratch

2/25/18 6:46pm

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bluebrotha

3/5/18 6:44pm

Wow, Whit, who is on the high council? Do you feel good attacking the integrity

Scratch

3/5/18 7:09pm

My goodness. You have no clue.

Jdoc

3/5/18 10:51pm

One final PS

DocUte

2/25/18 6:48pm

So you don't think that BYU has been snubbed by the

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:14pm

Is it real? Sure, there is some anti-Mormon sentiment there. Rampant? Not

Scratch

2/25/18 11:42pm

You’re logic is spot on.

DocUte

2/26/18 12:21am

I'm taking specifically Mormon. You know very well

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:14am

Once again...

DocUte

2/26/18 2:11am

And TCU recieved the P5 invite around the same time we did so unless things

DocUte

2/26/18 2:12am

So the funny thing is you are trying to be sarcastic but are more right than you

Mr Blue

2/26/18 7:19am

The same Baylor that the PAC was so scared of being lumped in with the other

crack

2/26/18 11:08am

Are you aware that around half of Utah’s student body

Jdoc

2/25/18 6:51pm

I’m aware LDS kids go to every school nationally. But most don’t sit next to

bluebrotha

3/5/18 6:50pm

RE: Utah troll posted this. Why would an LDS recruit choose Utah over BYU? Why

swaggy1090

2/25/18 8:57pm

Yet we beat Utah in basketball this season and have won

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:05pm

Enjoy the highlight of your basketball season.

DocUte

2/26/18 12:24am

LDS players have chosen BYU over other “better” teams for decades now.

bluebrotha

3/5/18 6:46pm

Yep. And they have also done the opposite. The point is there are lots of valid

Scratch

3/5/18 7:12pm

It's an interesting hypothetical: what if BYU had remained in the MWC?

boscatar

2/26/18 10:19am

The difference between the MWC and Indy is that we have many

BYUButters

3/1/18 12:36am

I can never buy into this argument. I think it’s a small part of many

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