And even then Utah can't sell their program without paying players

The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the PAC12

Richbyu

2/25/18 7:53am

How can you say this? Utah basketball has been a legit program in the PAC- football their mid level but get a pay check

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 7:58am

Since joining the PAC12, Utah has gone to the NCAA Tourney 2 out of 7 years.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:21am

They haven’t been the doormat of the PAC in basketball and if I recall they made a good run once or twice. I don’t

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:27am

I said they have been "middling". (that's down from what they were in the MWC)

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:32am

Kind of an interesting point you bring up- who in G5 has been consistently good in the last 7 years?

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:34am

In basketball? Wichita State. Some of the AAC teams have been pretty good.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:38am

Good call-

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 9:35am

Perhaps Butler also

Oldcougfan

2/25/18 10:31am

Butler has been in the new Big East for awhile now.

Ocho Cuatro

2/25/18 11:39am

The first several years were horrible in hoops, and would have been horrible in

Scratch

2/25/18 10:28am

He never said dormat. Reading comprehension fail.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:47am

Their recruiting continues to improve even after a 7-6 year...they have been

Gathers

2/25/18 8:46am

So if Big 12 comes calling we should just reject our membership to them. After

Mark320

3/12/18 3:31pm

You might be right that Utah will never win the PAC 12

mpfunk

2/25/18 8:09am

They definitely had more success from 03-10 compared to 11-18

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 8:23am

It is not absurd. Utah goes to the NCAA tournament LESS. Is ranked LOWER in

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:24am

I get the envy. I have it. But I’d take Utah’s success in the PAC since they’ve joined. Fans seem to buy in as well

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:29am

Envy? You are projecting... I haven't said anything that isn't accurate.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:36am

they have been in the top 25 at some point of every football season it seems. top 10 several times

BlueFrog

2/25/18 8:52am

Football has finished ranked 3 out of 4 years. How often did that happen in the

Scratch

2/25/18 10:44am

So why does Utah always get the PAC12's lower regarded bowl games?

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:10am

Used to go to the Fiesta and Sugar?

Rise as Utes

2/25/18 1:02pm

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Little Britches

2/25/18 2:01pm

Remind me of BUY’s last bigtime bowl again?? Sorry old age and all..

DocUte

2/25/18 1:20pm

No worries I get the envy...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:44pm

Actually, everything you’ve said is inaccurate.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:29pm

You're confusing success, with more interesting conference mates.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:51am

You’re cherry picking pre-P12 success. You’re also erroneously attributing

Scratch

2/25/18 11:59am

2014-2018 Utah trails only Oregon and Arizona in PAC12 conference wins

cav73

2/26/18 8:32am

Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12. Middling.

Richbyu

2/26/18 9:55am

On the verge of three NCAA tournament appearances in the last four years.

cav73

2/26/18 11:55am

Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12.

Richbyu

2/26/18 12:02pm

The hoops program would not have gone to the NCAA tournament from any

Scratch

2/25/18 10:38am

Honestly, we like where we are at. And it isn’t even close. It was fun smacking

DocUte

2/25/18 12:40pm

And yet your insecurity is showing as you frequent a BYU fan board.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 10:59pm

I’m here because I truly enjoy the rivalry, and it is fun to run smack

DocUte

2/26/18 12:27am

I thought Colorado was your rival. Hmm.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:05am

Got em.

DocUte

2/26/18 1:52am

RE: The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the

swaggy1090

2/25/18 8:59am

Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 9:05am

RE: Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.

swaggy1090

2/25/18 9:10am

I think it really comes down to what you want.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 9:52am

So why was BYU not crushing Utah when they were in the same conference?

Scratch

2/25/18 10:48am

You’re cherry picking a 5 year span if you’re

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:17pm

Not for the 20-25 years before Utah joined the P12.

Scratch

2/25/18 12:23pm

19-12 from 1980 to 2010

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:19pm

I said 20-15 years. The 25 years before Utah joined the P12, BYU went 13-12

Scratch

2/25/18 3:32pm

Also to clarify, I was not stating that BYU would crush Utah but that

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:19pm

It would hurt Utah but not crush Utah. How many recruits would utah have lost to

Scratch

2/25/18 12:25pm

Which would drop Utah from a #6 or #7 pac team that goes 8-4 or 7-5

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:21pm

Ha. A couple of guys wouldn't make that much of a difference, especially now

Scratch

2/25/18 3:33pm

If only Ifs could become reality...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:41pm

Exactly, if you were one of the few counting the money there would be some

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:23pm

The benifit is being a part of a P5...

DocUte

2/25/18 3:43pm

You're Wrong. One BCS bowl was under Whit

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:52am

FYI, Urban coached the Fiesta, but not the Sugar. KW

Rise as Utes

2/25/18 1:08pm

Bahaha! Nice wishful thinking. After 1 full recruiting cycle Utah FB finished

BigBrotherUte

2/25/18 11:13am

A lot of Utes are apparently confused about what the word "middling" means.

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:35am

Being a middling P12 team is infinitely better than being a top-tier G5 team.

Scratch

2/25/18 11:43am

That’s an opinion I disagree with.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:21pm

Great. Every P5 school and fan disagrees with you.

Scratch

2/25/18 12:26pm

By the way, why doesn’t BYU go back to the MWC where it was a top-tier team

Scratch

2/25/18 1:10pm

Lol, i like the teams you picked in the PAC for comparisons. Utah has split the

BigBrotherUte

2/25/18 1:47pm

They’ve finished ranked 3 of the last 4 years and have been ranked at some

Gathers

2/25/18 11:36am

Here is what the middle looks like:

Richbyu

2/25/18 12:05pm

Look at the last several years, that shows you what the P12 has done once

Scratch

2/25/18 12:22pm

Failure to read is why some Utes got lower ACT scores and were rejected by BYU

Richbyu

2/25/18 1:41pm

Ha, you’ve said utah has taken a step back, is achieving less, and accomplished

Scratch

2/25/18 2:47pm

You are easy fishing.. What other insecurities buttons should I try pushing to

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:33pm

So your goal was to act pompous and spout off nonsense to provoke a response?

Scratch

2/25/18 11:44pm

Aren't you the "Ute fan" that requests all of BYU's football contracts?

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:55pm

Can we agree on this. The middle of the PAC >>>> Upper tier MWC. The quality

ALUF 1990

2/25/18 12:52pm

You make a good point re cheating in basketball...

Richbyu

2/25/18 1:44pm

Good job. First accurate post you’ve made in this entire thread.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:43pm

This has been the easiest fishing I've done in a while. Ute insecurities buttons

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:29pm

We may find that Utah cheated too, after recent reports?

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:04pm

You mean the recent reports that had nothing whatsoever to do with Utah cheating

Scratch

2/25/18 11:35pm

Utah cheated. Paid Kuzma agent money.

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:57pm

Hey we are playing some ultimate weed frisbee this weekend...

DocUte

2/26/18 12:22am

Yeah but did they buy him a Jetta or take him to Disneyland a bunch of times?

cav73

2/26/18 9:08am

Utah is part of that FBI investigation because they cheated.

Richbyu

2/26/18 9:54am

Utah is not part of the FBI investigation (at least there is no evidence of Utah

Scratch

2/26/18 9:57am

Utah got caught cheating. The school is now tied up with the FBI investigation.

Richbyu

2/26/18 10:01am

Are you not terribly bright or are you a troll? Because it's one or the other.

Scratch

2/26/18 10:09am

You can excuse Utah's cheating, but the FBI won't!

Richbyu

2/26/18 10:21am

He’s a a troll, Scratch. He’s admitted as much. At least he’s honest about it.

Demosthenes Red

2/28/18 9:17pm

Some irony... A Ute fan on a BYU fan board upset that he is getting "trolled"

Richbyu

2/28/18 11:26pm

Definitely not upset about it. Just think its funny you're working at it so hard

Demosthenes Red

3/1/18 9:43am

"Working hard"? I spend 10 seconds responding...

Richbyu

3/1/18 10:40am

Stop, you're sounding all cool and rational. Don't make me start liking you! 🙂

Demosthenes Red

3/1/18 3:34pm

I'd buy you an ice cream cone right now!

Richbyu

3/2/18 5:18pm

Also, this place is inundated with Ute fans pretending to be BYU fans.

Richbyu

2/28/18 11:28pm

How can you say that "positive results are inevitable" when other PAC

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:03pm

How much hatorade you drink tonight Georgie? Was it SEVEN by chance 😃

DocUte

2/26/18 12:26am

Enjoy it while it lasts. What goes around, comes around.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:07am

Lolzzz. Wish I could put money on this...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:36pm

That's just not accurate.

IronPotato

2/25/18 2:33pm

Uh, no.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:20pm

We've been very competitive and won a lot of games against very good teams

formerly utesplease

2/28/18 4:44am

You are looking at 2 NCAA tournament bids in 7 years.

Richbyu

2/28/18 7:57am

Or 3 in 4 years and 3 straight 1st rd draft picks. I like how you keep dodging

BigBrotherUte

2/28/18 6:14pm

I can also see why you're struggling to understand the PAC12 world vs the

BigBrotherUte

2/28/18 6:22pm

I'm not celebrating. That needs to be better and I've been critical of Larry's

formerly utesplease

3/1/18 1:01am

Larry has his own concerns now with the FBI.

Richbyu

3/1/18 7:36am

Not as much as the agent who paid kuz

formerly utesplease

3/4/18 7:02am

Larry is under investigation by the FBI for payments.

Richbyu

3/4/18 5:06pm

It must not have been enough considering Utah has come in 2nd for every

formerly utesplease

3/5/18 10:53pm

I think Utah has some real problems--never mess with the FBI

Richbyu

3/6/18 12:25pm

It isn't just Utah, it's the whole P5 system. It was designed to leave all

coolblue

2/25/18 8:02am

Yep. The moment that happened our fate was sealed. Out of our control

Croweater

2/25/18 8:28am

Except that we could be in the big 12

Josef K

2/25/18 9:16am

Except that we were never invited. We can't self-invite.

CougarThug

2/25/18 10:02am

You do not know this for certain

Adrielle

2/25/18 10:03am

That is a Mormon myth

Croweater

2/25/18 10:24am

Please name a few of these players.

golf1

2/25/18 9:12am

Covey, Nacua, Barton, Chase Hansen, Tuipai, Lotuleilei, Orchard, etc, etc

Jdoc

2/25/18 9:34am

Most of those are legacy Utes. Hansen went to be a QB. Nothing

golf1

2/25/18 4:00pm

I agree

Hoax

2/25/18 9:33am

I knew once I heard the news in 2010 and knowing that BYU was going Indy on 9/1

Mark320

2/25/18 9:49am

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RC Vikings

2/25/18 9:54am

I'd argue that if we stayed in the MWC we'd be in a lot worse shape. Indy is actually salvaging us, whatever

ocmyhome

2/25/18 10:16am

No one knows for certain...

TrueBlue67

2/25/18 10:19am

Or...it's the cyclical nature of athletics prevalent in virtually all programs

MormonThug

2/25/18 10:31am

Many many posts at the time said this. Indy was simply the next best option.

RealityCheck

2/25/18 10:40am

100% agree... And it's created more apathetic fans

germm

2/25/18 11:10am

RE: BYU’s decline is a direct result of Utah joining the PAC-12

rhatchmd

2/25/18 11:45am

Well, no doubt the P5 cartel $ / resources puts all non P5 at a significant

ZooBlue

2/25/18 12:17pm

It's too bad that the almighty $$ rules major college sports too. That's the way it is.

lightmann

2/25/18 1:13pm

So why don’t you cry about it? What is the purpose of the post?

Pretorian

2/25/18 2:37pm

And even then Utah can't sell their program without paying players

Y4LYFE

2/25/18 3:11pm

DocUte

2/25/18 6:54pm

Is it accurate that not much has changed with LDS mission kids, but that non-

sandiegocgrfan

2/25/18 3:12pm

Utah troll posted this. Why would an LDS recruit choose Utah over BYU? Why

bluebrotha

2/25/18 6:06pm

Wat??

DocUte

2/25/18 6:42pm

To answer your question Bro Blue...

DocUte

2/25/18 6:43pm

Yeah, Utah has never had a bad season. Thanks for settin that straight. Clueless

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:07pm

You’re welcome Georgie!

DocUte

2/26/18 12:18am

The anti-Mormon school with a Mormon HC and DC? And lots of other active LDS

Scratch

2/25/18 6:46pm

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bluebrotha

3/5/18 6:44pm

Wow, Whit, who is on the high council? Do you feel good attacking the integrity

Scratch

3/5/18 7:09pm

My goodness. You have no clue.

Jdoc

3/5/18 10:51pm

One final PS

DocUte

2/25/18 6:48pm

So you don't think that BYU has been snubbed by the

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:14pm

Is it real? Sure, there is some anti-Mormon sentiment there. Rampant? Not

Scratch

2/25/18 11:42pm

You’re logic is spot on.

DocUte

2/26/18 12:21am

I'm taking specifically Mormon. You know very well

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:14am

Once again...

DocUte

2/26/18 2:11am

And TCU recieved the P5 invite around the same time we did so unless things

DocUte

2/26/18 2:12am

So the funny thing is you are trying to be sarcastic but are more right than you

Mr Blue

2/26/18 7:19am

The same Baylor that the PAC was so scared of being lumped in with the other

crack

2/26/18 11:08am

Are you aware that around half of Utah’s student body

Jdoc

2/25/18 6:51pm

I’m aware LDS kids go to every school nationally. But most don’t sit next to

bluebrotha

3/5/18 6:50pm

RE: Utah troll posted this. Why would an LDS recruit choose Utah over BYU? Why

swaggy1090

2/25/18 8:57pm

Yet we beat Utah in basketball this season and have won

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:05pm

Enjoy the highlight of your basketball season.

DocUte

2/26/18 12:24am

LDS players have chosen BYU over other “better” teams for decades now.

bluebrotha

3/5/18 6:46pm

Yep. And they have also done the opposite. The point is there are lots of valid

Scratch

3/5/18 7:12pm

It's an interesting hypothetical: what if BYU had remained in the MWC?

boscatar

2/26/18 10:19am

The difference between the MWC and Indy is that we have many

BYUButters

3/1/18 12:36am

I can never buy into this argument. I think it’s a small part of many

Traveshamockery

2/26/18 11:36am

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