Yeah but did they buy him a Jetta or take him to Disneyland a bunch of times?

The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the PAC12

Richbyu

2/25/18 7:53am

How can you say this? Utah basketball has been a legit program in the PAC- football their mid level but get a pay check

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 7:58am

Since joining the PAC12, Utah has gone to the NCAA Tourney 2 out of 7 years.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:21am

They haven’t been the doormat of the PAC in basketball and if I recall they made a good run once or twice. I don’t

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:27am

I said they have been "middling". (that's down from what they were in the MWC)

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:32am

Kind of an interesting point you bring up- who in G5 has been consistently good in the last 7 years?

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:34am

In basketball? Wichita State. Some of the AAC teams have been pretty good.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:38am

Good call-

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 9:35am

Perhaps Butler also

Oldcougfan

2/25/18 10:31am

Butler has been in the new Big East for awhile now.

Ocho Cuatro

2/25/18 11:39am

The first several years were horrible in hoops, and would have been horrible in

Scratch

2/25/18 10:28am

He never said dormat. Reading comprehension fail.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:47am

Their recruiting continues to improve even after a 7-6 year...they have been

Gathers

2/25/18 8:46am

So if Big 12 comes calling we should just reject our membership to them. After

Mark320

3/12/18 3:31pm

You might be right that Utah will never win the PAC 12

mpfunk

2/25/18 8:09am

They definitely had more success from 03-10 compared to 11-18

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 8:23am

It is not absurd. Utah goes to the NCAA tournament LESS. Is ranked LOWER in

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:24am

I get the envy. I have it. But I’d take Utah’s success in the PAC since they’ve joined. Fans seem to buy in as well

SouthernBlueBlood

2/25/18 8:29am

Envy? You are projecting... I haven't said anything that isn't accurate.

Richbyu

2/25/18 8:36am

they have been in the top 25 at some point of every football season it seems. top 10 several times

BlueFrog

2/25/18 8:52am

Football has finished ranked 3 out of 4 years. How often did that happen in the

Scratch

2/25/18 10:44am

So why does Utah always get the PAC12's lower regarded bowl games?

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:10am

Used to go to the Fiesta and Sugar?

Rise as Utes

2/25/18 1:02pm

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Little Britches

2/25/18 2:01pm

Remind me of BUY’s last bigtime bowl again?? Sorry old age and all..

DocUte

2/25/18 1:20pm

No worries I get the envy...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:44pm

Actually, everything you’ve said is inaccurate.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:29pm

You're confusing success, with more interesting conference mates.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:51am

You’re cherry picking pre-P12 success. You’re also erroneously attributing

Scratch

2/25/18 11:59am

2014-2018 Utah trails only Oregon and Arizona in PAC12 conference wins

cav73

2/26/18 8:32am

Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12. Middling.

Richbyu

2/26/18 9:55am

On the verge of three NCAA tournament appearances in the last four years.

cav73

2/26/18 11:55am

Utah Utes: Only 2 NCAA tourney appearances in 7 years in the PAC12.

Richbyu

2/26/18 12:02pm

The hoops program would not have gone to the NCAA tournament from any

Scratch

2/25/18 10:38am

Honestly, we like where we are at. And it isn’t even close. It was fun smacking

DocUte

2/25/18 12:40pm

And yet your insecurity is showing as you frequent a BYU fan board.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 10:59pm

I’m here because I truly enjoy the rivalry, and it is fun to run smack

DocUte

2/26/18 12:27am

I thought Colorado was your rival. Hmm.

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/26/18 1:05am

Got em.

DocUte

2/26/18 1:52am

RE: The irony is that Utah has also significantly declined since it joined the

swaggy1090

2/25/18 8:59am

Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 9:05am

RE: Urban had been gone for 4 years prior to the sugar bowl.

swaggy1090

2/25/18 9:10am

I think it really comes down to what you want.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 9:52am

So why was BYU not crushing Utah when they were in the same conference?

Scratch

2/25/18 10:48am

You’re cherry picking a 5 year span if you’re

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:17pm

Not for the 20-25 years before Utah joined the P12.

Scratch

2/25/18 12:23pm

19-12 from 1980 to 2010

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:19pm

I said 20-15 years. The 25 years before Utah joined the P12, BYU went 13-12

Scratch

2/25/18 3:32pm

Also to clarify, I was not stating that BYU would crush Utah but that

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:19pm

It would hurt Utah but not crush Utah. How many recruits would utah have lost to

Scratch

2/25/18 12:25pm

Which would drop Utah from a #6 or #7 pac team that goes 8-4 or 7-5

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:21pm

Ha. A couple of guys wouldn't make that much of a difference, especially now

Scratch

2/25/18 3:33pm

If only Ifs could become reality...

DocUte

2/25/18 12:41pm

Exactly, if you were one of the few counting the money there would be some

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 3:23pm

The benifit is being a part of a P5...

DocUte

2/25/18 3:43pm

You're Wrong. One BCS bowl was under Whit

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:52am

FYI, Urban coached the Fiesta, but not the Sugar. KW

Rise as Utes

2/25/18 1:08pm

Bahaha! Nice wishful thinking. After 1 full recruiting cycle Utah FB finished

BigBrotherUte

2/25/18 11:13am

A lot of Utes are apparently confused about what the word "middling" means.

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:35am

Being a middling P12 team is infinitely better than being a top-tier G5 team.

Scratch

2/25/18 11:43am

That’s an opinion I disagree with.

bluecougar1985

2/25/18 12:21pm

Great. Every P5 school and fan disagrees with you.

Scratch

2/25/18 12:26pm

By the way, why doesn’t BYU go back to the MWC where it was a top-tier team

Scratch

2/25/18 1:10pm

Lol, i like the teams you picked in the PAC for comparisons. Utah has split the

BigBrotherUte

2/25/18 1:47pm

They’ve finished ranked 3 of the last 4 years and have been ranked at some

Gathers

2/25/18 11:36am

Here is what the middle looks like:

Richbyu

2/25/18 12:05pm

Look at the last several years, that shows you what the P12 has done once

Scratch

2/25/18 12:22pm

Failure to read is why some Utes got lower ACT scores and were rejected by BYU

Richbyu

2/25/18 1:41pm

Ha, you’ve said utah has taken a step back, is achieving less, and accomplished

Scratch

2/25/18 2:47pm

You are easy fishing.. What other insecurities buttons should I try pushing to

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:33pm

So your goal was to act pompous and spout off nonsense to provoke a response?

Scratch

2/25/18 11:44pm

Aren't you the "Ute fan" that requests all of BYU's football contracts?

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:55pm

Can we agree on this. The middle of the PAC >>>> Upper tier MWC. The quality

ALUF 1990

2/25/18 12:52pm

You make a good point re cheating in basketball...

Richbyu

2/25/18 1:44pm

Good job. First accurate post you’ve made in this entire thread.

Demosthenes Red

2/25/18 3:43pm

This has been the easiest fishing I've done in a while. Ute insecurities buttons

Richbyu

2/25/18 11:29pm

We may find that Utah cheated too, after recent reports?

SaintGeorgeYFan

2/25/18 11:04pm

You mean the recent reports that had nothing whatsoever to do with Utah cheating

Scratch

2/25/18 11:35pm

Utah cheated. Paid Kuzma agent money.

Richbyu