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CougarThug
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Rivals aren't a matter of conference designation. You should know better.
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BYU vs P5 over the last 10 years
krindorr
12/14/20 2:19pm
I’d redo this analysis but take out all the losses to Utah.
zsmooth
12/14/20 2:20pm
Yeah take out some of the data so BYU looks better.
Ham
12/14/20 2:22pm
Rivalry games are a different beast. You could control for P5 rivalries, too.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 2:27pm
The idea of a rivalry game is that it's anybody's game, regardless of record...
krindorr
12/14/20 2:38pm
It's also that the causal factors at play are a different kind than the other
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 2:39pm
Potentially, but that's a lot more work and introduces more uncertainty
krindorr
12/14/20 6:21pm
Rivals aren't a matter of conference designation. You should know better.
CougarThug
12/14/20 8:46pm
Take out the close losses too. And add half a dozen moral victories. That’ll give you a better idea
TEXAS
12/14/20 2:24pm
That’s the spirit!
zsmooth
12/14/20 4:24pm
I'd take out the losses to Utah if BYU would stop losing to Utah
krindorr
12/14/20 2:25pm
Well that sounds harder.
zsmooth
12/14/20 4:24pm
You're a yewt. Lets not believe you were objective in this.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:21pm
Haven't hid anything - want BYU to do well
krindorr
12/14/20 5:37pm
You can say that but when you post things that really belong on utefans.net...
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:52pm
Didn't think BYU resume was top 10 after 3 games - I stand by that
krindorr
12/14/20 7:15pm
Take out the other losses too. Then we'll be undefeated.
All-American
12/14/20 2:29pm
He's a yewt troll. He selected the most unfavorable data. Proof of yewtness:
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:13pm
Thanks for this research. I have tagged him so I know in the future everything he says is garbage.
zsmooth
12/14/20 5:21pm
I'd suggest reading the post he's spamming
krindorr
12/14/20 5:49pm
Yeah I was trying to be sarcastic.
zsmooth
12/14/20 5:54pm
I actually tagged you “BYU fan with questionable Ute sympathies”
zsmooth
12/14/20 6:26pm
That's probably accurate
krindorr
12/14/20 6:45pm
No, that's hyperbole if not 100% untrue.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:56pm
Brando, we've been over this
krindorr
12/14/20 7:10pm
If if if... Here are the numbers that matter! 0 CFP, 0 NY6 Bowls, 0 Top 20
delete_king
12/14/20 8:09pm
Not MWC, but need to find a way to go AAC
krindorr
12/14/20 8:23pm
I want to see how BYU's P5 record stacks up against other P5s.
LegitCoug
12/14/20 2:22pm
Weighted for home vs away
BlueBlitzkrieg
12/14/20 2:26pm
This is a really good point; wish I'd thought of it
krindorr
12/14/20 5:52pm
^^^THIS!!! I’ve been saying it for years. 2 for 1s. and guess what??? All the
MustacheMan
12/14/20 9:14pm
Additional Stats on Home v Away
krindorr
12/15/20 11:08am
I'd appreciate an analysis that takes Utah as 1 data point rather than
I'm Dynamite
12/15/20 11:19am
Taking all repeated matchups as 1 data point
krindorr
12/15/20 11:50am
Thanks for this work krindorr! Very good of you.
I'm Dynamite
12/15/20 11:55am
Caveat on this data
krindorr
12/15/20 12:08pm
The data sets have their problems. This one is far better for the desired concl.
I'm Dynamite
12/15/20 12:59pm
Ultimately I don't think the data set tells that big a difference
krindorr
12/15/20 1:36pm
I think 500 without P5 resources is pretty exceptional!
I'm Dynamite
12/15/20 6:33pm
Definitely on the adjustment period
krindorr
12/16/20 7:41am
Or put Utah in its own category...so we see good P5's, "bad" P5's, and Utah
moknowssports
12/15/20 2:33pm
The Good, the Bad, and the Utah
krindorr
12/15/20 2:41pm
P5s are, on average, roughly .500 against other P5s.
All-American
12/14/20 2:29pm
But how are P5 against other good P5's versus bad P5's?
Doogal McCougar
12/14/20 2:42pm
Overall BYU has won 38%. The Average P5 team wins 50%
krindorr
12/14/20 3:00pm
I guess I was analyzing non-Utah rivalry games, where we compare to the average
Doogal McCougar
12/14/20 3:07pm
It also fails to get a nice randomized sample. Utah has been a bad matchup.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 3:10pm
Of course the average P5 teams win 50%. That's completely meaningless.
CougarThug
12/14/20 8:49pm
Utah is 50-45 against P5 teams over that span
krindorr
12/14/20 2:30pm
Without the P5 support and the recruiting, we're doing quite well.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 2:32pm
I think BYU could, after a decade of increased P5 resources, have a similar
ZacSeljaas'Stache
12/14/20 2:33pm
Agreed - Utah had a similar adjustment period
krindorr
12/14/20 2:35pm
Yep, 2 5-7 seasons to start their P5 era. I think we'd have a similar start
ZacSeljaas'Stache
12/14/20 2:36pm
I love how you're still pretending to be a BYU fan...
SaintGeorgeYFan
12/14/20 7:45pm
In fact, I think we have the fundamentals to build a better program.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 2:37pm
BYU and Utah have been pretty similar; I'd expect them to be similar at P5 level
krindorr
12/14/20 2:51pm
Our floor is higher because we consistently get good latter-day saint athletes
D.T. Survivor
12/14/20 4:38pm
Agreed, I'd love to see it at the P5 level
krindorr
12/14/20 5:55pm
Dude took the most unfavorable stretch to get data from because he's a yewt trol
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:16pm
I'm sorry to have upset you Brando
krindorr
12/14/20 5:40pm
So Utah is Mediocre, even with built in home P5 games, P5 money and P5 label.
SaintGeorgeYFan
12/14/20 7:43pm
RE: So Utah is Mediocre, even with built in home P5 games, P5 money and P5
krindorr
12/14/20 7:47pm
Utah has a higher % of "bad teams" in that span...P12 South not good last decade
moknowssports
12/15/20 2:06pm
Ya, I don’t think that’s true. The P12 South has
kos
12/15/20 5:03pm
your data makes me ask the following question:
run26
12/14/20 2:23pm
Take away Utah and it is 16 of 33. Pretty good for a school that doesn't get P5 recruiting advantages.
Turnpike Lane
12/14/20 2:23pm
That's a great point. Shoot, maybe the AP, Coach's Poll, and CFP Committee
kos
12/14/20 2:45pm
I was just using it as a measuring stick, but ok. Thanks!
Turnpike Lane
12/14/20 2:51pm
I know, I jumped the gun a little. My apologies. And you are right
kos
12/14/20 2:57pm
It's a statistical outlier. Settle down.
mulletino
12/14/20 3:14pm
One nit pick item -I wouldn't consider UW a lesser loss in 2019.
Gibbcoug
12/14/20 2:26pm
Fair, just can't account for everything
krindorr
12/14/20 2:32pm
thx for doing analysis. great info
Gibbcoug
12/14/20 2:36pm
Interesting to note that against the Pac-12, who a lot of folks here seem to
kos
12/14/20 2:48pm
BYU fans aren't the only ones that think the PAC12 is a joke
BlueBlitzkrieg
12/14/20 3:05pm
but we may be the only fans dying to get into the Pac12
run26
12/14/20 3:07pm
I'm not saying that. Of course I want in any P5, but I don't like the attitude
BlueBlitzkrieg
12/14/20 3:15pm
Look, I actually agree that BYU deserves to be in a P5. Just providing a little
kos
12/14/20 3:26pm
Couple of things.
kos
12/14/20 3:09pm
5-6 (no 2014 game), but agree in principle
krindorr
12/14/20 3:11pm
This makes sense and seems pretty reasonable to me. And to be fair, I agree
kos
12/14/20 3:17pm
Agreed. The HC will keep us from ever competing at the top level.
BlueBlitzkrieg
12/14/20 3:33pm
Fiances my friend, finances. Debt free, national fan base who watch and travel.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 3:17pm
There is a joke in there about fiances and BYU recruiting, but I'm afraid of
kos
12/14/20 3:23pm
I don't think BYU would be my top choice, but they're certainly top 5
krindorr
12/14/20 3:24pm
Your criteria here remain mysterious.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 3:27pm
Population, student size, on-field success, academic reputation, travel
krindorr
12/14/20 3:33pm
The financial case is strongly in BYU's favor. The rest also favor us on balance
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 3:48pm
What makes you so sure on finances?
krindorr
12/14/20 3:54pm
I am confident that the finances heavily favor BYU.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 3:57pm
You keep saying that, but I'm just wanting some sort of data
krindorr
12/14/20 4:46pm
See my last post for basic evidence. Your claims also seem to lack evidence
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 4:53pm
See links with evidence
krindorr
12/14/20 5:13pm
And Fandom involves actually liking your team.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:18pm
Not sure why you feel the need to keep posting this....
krindorr
12/14/20 6:06pm
Not sure why you still try to act like you're a BYU fan
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:48pm
You have a strange conception of evidence. Consider the courtroom notion.
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 5:22pm
The ESPN deal isn’t some crazy cash deal.
DrJazzy
12/14/20 5:14pm
This is one reason I'd love to see BYU football in the AAC
krindorr
12/16/20 8:29am
Not mysterious. He's a yewt troll
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:11pm
Did you actually read the post you're linking? where I say BYU > Utah
krindorr
12/14/20 5:44pm
You didn't actually say that. And you said you chuckle at BYU fans
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:57pm
Please check the date before rambling
krindorr
12/14/20 7:05pm
Oh you said that more than once.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 7:16pm
71% vs Big 12 -including winning records against Texas and Oklahoma
Happy As Larry
12/14/20 3:54pm
Yeah, I just looked at last decade (since Indy) but Okla win was big
krindorr
12/14/20 3:58pm
And also because you're a Yewt you selectively chose what data to include
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:10pm
Also take out all losses if we’re were wearing all whites.
SFarkus
12/14/20 4:25pm
Agreed. Any losses in the bibs are suspect too.
zsmooth
12/14/20 4:32pm
How about drop to FCS and win an NC? For me it is Power or Indy. Never again G5
ImuaKahuku
12/14/20 4:44pm
Good work. Data takes (or should) the emotion out of the analysis. I prefer
Forzaitalia
12/14/20 4:52pm
Wasn't our record against P5s before independence similar?
D.T. Survivor
12/14/20 5:01pm
The decade before that BYU won 38.4% (10/26)
krindorr
12/15/20 2:54pm
Not good work. He's a Yewt who put Yewt Spin on it
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:05pm
Data not emotion.
Forzaitalia
12/14/20 5:46pm
Data: 100% of his posts are positive on yewtah and negative on BYU.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:42pm
13 of your 57 posts at this point are attacking me...
krindorr
12/14/20 6:53pm
I never pretended to like yewt fans. Or worse, to be one *shudder.*
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 7:20pm
To be fair Krindor, objective analysis of P5 schedules wouldn't look like yours
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 7:22pm
Why throw out the Utah results? Does Auburn get to ignore annual losses to
Forzaitalia
12/14/20 7:34pm
I missed on home/away; think leaving Utah in is more objective than ignoring
krindorr
12/14/20 7:40pm
If you are trying to make a conclusions about P5 competition
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 8:13pm
Also, those alleged posts are misquoted by you or aren't in fact positive
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 7:23pm
TROLL ALERT: Originator is a dirty Yewt.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 5:02pm
I'm up front about fandom of both BYU and Utah; doesn't change data
krindorr
12/14/20 5:18pm
it's common on here to attack folks personally when you say something
run26
12/14/20 5:32pm
A possibility
I'm Dynamite
12/14/20 5:46pm
Frankly, I don't think you're a homer
krindorr
12/14/20 6:16pm
Nope. You're upfront about being a yewt. Your posts on BYU are all negative.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:19pm
Except for all those positive posts about BYU
krindorr
12/14/20 6:34pm
Interesting, I don't see any. The only positive posts from you are about yewtah
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:41pm
Krindorr: "I chuckle at all these BYU fans who think they're a top 10 team."
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:50pm
Because I expected the committee to rank BYU #12 - EDITED
krindorr
12/14/20 6:58pm
Ha. On October 7? Gig's up yewt.
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 7:17pm
Yes - On October 7th, I didn't think BYU was a top 10 team. And?
krindorr
12/14/20 7:23pm
Here's a fact yewtah's sucking worse: mustered 2 wins this year
Brandoblueblood
12/14/20 6:25pm
Seems like a good position...add P5 money and prestige...BYU emerges upper tier
Jasbo
12/14/20 7:21pm
Agree, I think there's a rough transition, but they'd be as good as Utah
krindorr
12/14/20 7:26pm
I have different takes on this data...
Hill4Heisman
12/15/20 12:40pm
Lots of that has been addressed
krindorr
12/15/20 1:12pm
Just for fun, I did an analysis for Florida
Hill4Heisman
12/15/20 2:12pm
Thanks for this - that's a ton of effort
krindorr
12/15/20 2:28pm
Add in 6 cancelled P5s this season. That would help.
I'm Dynamite
12/15/20 1:17pm
Having now collected data for all 69 P5S teams (including BYU, UCF, Cincy, Houston)...
krindorr
9/8/21 6:59pm
How other G5 teams compare
krindorr
12/15/20 2:22pm
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