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Something that defies logic and we all just accept is how BYU brings baggage but

gwalker

7/23/21 3:58am

150 years ago BYU was polygamist and was racist. No room for that

BYUALWAYSNUM1

7/23/21 4:11am

Being currently anti-LGBTQ is the biggest issue. And, yes, by the world's

fattycoug

7/23/21 4:16am

But covering up murder and rapes within the last 20 years = no baggage. The

gwalker

7/23/21 4:19am

You’re allowed one carry-on item.

Q-grr

7/23/21 5:35am

Baylor cleaned house including their president. They also don’t wear their

coastcat

7/23/21 6:06am

This is a good point but really ignores the harm and consequences of all of this

Pretorian

7/23/21 9:44am

I heartily agree with you, except that anyone can attend BYU, even LGBTQ people.

tony

7/23/21 7:56pm

And anyone can marry a member of the opposite sex at BYU. Even gay people

run26

7/23/21 8:00pm

Anyone can practice the Muslim faith in an Islamic theocracy. No discrimination

krindorr

7/23/21 8:16pm

Couldn’t follow your logic here, was that TIC

Pretorian

7/24/21 11:36am

some people get sarcasm, some don't

run26

7/24/21 11:37am

Some are better at it than others

Pretorian

7/26/21 10:21am

Is the policy “don’t ask don’t tell?” Or do you get the boot if you are open and

coastcat

7/24/21 5:14am

I don’t know what would happen?

Pretorian

7/24/21 11:40am

I think it’s a problem if you and I don’t have a somewhat clear idea.

coastcat

7/24/21 12:10pm

I get that but the problem is

Pretorian

7/24/21 1:06pm

I agree with you. I saw a few cases where the ability or clout by a Bishop

coastcat

7/24/21 6:23pm

Groups, including conferences differentiate insiders and outsiders w/baggage

NYC and Japan

7/23/21 8:20am

I wasn't responding to that. I was responding to a post intimating that the

fattycoug

7/23/21 4:52pm

This. It’s more of a hot topic right now than rape and murder

ColonelMustard

7/23/21 8:30am

Are you aware that we have a gay professor and member of the honor code office.

civilcoug

7/23/21 8:40am

“Anti” based on what definition? The church & BYU are making real efforts

Soupie

7/23/21 9:27am

The world is wrong, sorry.

Mitty

7/23/21 10:09am

Sorry, polygamy was legal but I don't agree that racism was an institutional pol

oldrugger

7/23/21 8:05am

It was for the Southern Baptists.

CougarThug

7/23/21 9:23am

BYU was racist 44 years ago...i.e., 1977

run26

7/23/21 10:16am

You mean the Church was racist. Please go ahead and post that on here

jrifkin48

7/23/21 10:22am

Indeed and so was pretty much every other institution

Pretorian

7/23/21 10:32am

Sure about that? A black was elected as student body VP in 1976 ( maybe '77).

Forzaitalia

7/23/21 11:30am

Really, is that true?

Pretorian

7/23/21 11:53am

More believable than "Blacks didn't hold the priesthood because of racism"

jrifkin48

7/23/21 11:58am

Why don’t you boardmail me and explain the reason

run26

7/23/21 1:29pm

Yep. I voted for him. His last name was Stephenson; ran with a guy named Sloat.

Forzaitalia

7/23/21 2:53pm

I wish there was solid evidence of this, that is awesome,

Pretorian

7/23/21 7:37pm

There's lots of articles that mention it

krindorr

7/23/21 8:18pm

"I can't be racist. I have a black friend."

Byron McNertney

7/23/21 3:02pm

You're judged by the company you keep per Mom's wisdom. It's not nothing.

Forzaitalia

7/23/21 3:42pm

According to the Deseret News 2/12/2002 Rob Foster was the first Black Student

coastcat

7/23/21 5:09pm

No, Black's could not hold the Priesthood. It was either from God or you are in

oldrugger

7/23/21 2:31pm

The whole country was.

Shore10

7/24/21 6:12am

Speak for yourself Shore. Are you making an admission?

coastcat

7/24/21 6:21am

No it wasn't, actually

Kerbouchard

7/24/21 7:27am

Ok.

Shore10

7/24/21 7:35am

We’ll, you said “the whole country was”. There was no segregation where I grew

coastcat

7/24/21 8:15am

Segregation is hardly the only form of racism.

Shore10

7/24/21 8:38am

There were no “whites only” drinking fountains or lunch counters. I

coastcat

7/24/21 8:51am

Looking at the 100 largest universities in the US, BYU is #98 in diversity

krindorr

7/24/21 9:30am

What's sad with the church is the logic makes us look worse than the action.

Shore10

7/24/21 8:22pm

150 years ago?

Kerbouchard

7/24/21 7:21am

Sorry but you’re downplaying the Sunday play issue.

lilpenny

7/23/21 4:29am

It’s absolutely an issue to deal with. On that we agree. People act like BYU

gwalker

7/23/21 4:37am

Expecting 9 other schools to radically alter scheduling is not reasonable.

Backcountry

7/23/21 7:29am

I wouldn't say that is "radical" rescheduling. Not at all. Biggest reason is BYU

BleedCougarBlue2

7/23/21 7:45am

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cosmohio

7/23/21 11:31am

I don’t think you know what radical means…

Pretorian

7/23/21 11:54am

The sunday play issue is way overblown and not a deal breaker for "every sport

IceCreamButt

7/23/21 6:46am

The secular world doesn’t respect the sabbath. Because ND and others play on

coastcat

7/23/21 7:00am

I have spoken with people close to U Texas. No Sunday play is a deal breaker for

NewMexiCoug

7/23/21 7:22am

I will just leave this here.

Blue Coat

7/23/21 4:34am

The weightier matters ... The wightier matters

Y05

7/23/21 5:02am

Who has ever said Baylor doesn't have issues?

Byron McNertney

7/23/21 5:19am

They’re already in the club so the club protects its own

squirrelyearl

7/23/21 5:35am

It’s a fairly simple distinction

Joysey

7/23/21 5:45am

Bingo

kudzucoug

7/23/21 6:02am

Plus other wacky things. Historical viewpoints.

johnnycarson

7/23/21 6:06am

Can a homosexual go to another school? Is the homosexual not aware BYU's stance?

jrifkin48

7/23/21 6:26am

And that’s why BYU will likely be kept out of the P5. Happy?

CommodoreCoug

7/23/21 6:42am

In the grand scheme of things yes, BYU and the Church shouldn't give up....

jrifkin48

7/23/21 6:46am

Not worth giving up what an institution believes in

byuguns55

7/23/21 6:59am

If that's what you believe, fine. But let's not pretend

CommodoreCoug

7/23/21 7:05am

They do have a choice to go elsewhere. Not a problem IMO

byuguns55

7/23/21 7:07am

RE: They do have a choice to go elsewhere. Not a problem IMO

CommodoreCoug

7/23/21 7:09am

RE: They do have a choice to go elsewhere. Not a problem IMO

byuguns55

7/23/21 8:35am

I say it's good baggage. Some things you can't compromise

jrifkin48

7/23/21 7:22am

What if one catches the gay while at BYU?

mulletino

7/23/21 10:06am

Not that much different actually...

tcherrin

7/23/21 7:27am

Please, what policies does BYU have only for homosexuals?

oldrugger

7/23/21 8:02am

Your asking the wrong question. “What policies does BYU have that are different

conetah

7/23/21 8:11am

Why would I care if BYU has other beliefs than "mainstream"? Does being

oldrugger

7/26/21 10:07am

Unfriendly policies?

1CougFan

7/23/21 8:38am

Is that actually the same....? Seems like there's a lot of differences

krindorr

7/23/21 9:25am

Your point is technically valid… but you’re mission some obvious loopholes…

Pretorian

7/23/21 10:48am

Exactly, that's what I can't figure out.

Mitty

7/23/21 10:12am

Unfriendly…. Are we also unfriendly to coffee drinkers and Porn stars?

Pretorian

7/23/21 10:15am

Don’t forget bearded men or pink haired girls.

Soupie

7/23/21 10:33am

Indeed , thanks for the reminder…

Pretorian

7/23/21 10:49am

I want to make it clear that I don’t disagree with BYU policies

Joysey

7/23/21 1:13pm

I think in both cases, the universities' ties to religious institutions are seen

Shinshin

7/23/21 6:28am

You are downplaying BYUs baggage.

Backcountry

7/23/21 6:37am

That's what we have you for.

BYUALWAYSNUM1

7/23/21 6:56am

An unbiased and objective perspective?

Backcountry

7/23/21 7:18am

One person's "unbiased and objective" perspective is another one's....

jrifkin48

7/23/21 8:27am

And just to be clear, we are talking about 31 BU players committing 52 rapes.

rivercitycoug

7/23/21 7:04am

I think it's the range of the effect; and how easy it is to isolate blame to few

krindorr

7/23/21 9:09am

You can use that same logic in regards to the HCO's rape "policy".

CougarThug

7/23/21 9:35am

Baylor is more like Notre Dame. The secular world can stomach those two schools.

BlueFever

7/23/21 9:43am

Baylor is no where near Notre Dame sorry

Swishfromdeep3

7/23/21 10:04am

I said they're more like Notre Dame than they are like BYU.

BlueFever

7/23/21 1:17pm

There's a difference between being "in" and getting "in"

reddead

7/23/21 10:40am

Baylor does not have a chance in Hades of going to the PAC 12

dixdog

7/23/21 12:04pm

Your point is good. The Church & BYU quietly donate huge amounts of time and

Forzaitalia

7/23/21 12:09pm

the Church publicizes its humanitarian efforts pretty regularly

run26

7/23/21 5:03pm

Sorry, but $2.5B in 35 years…

tmurphey44

7/24/21 2:03pm

Since we are a global church, we ought to move some of that off shore.

Q-grr

7/24/21 2:48pm

I know it's hard to understand, so to help put it into perspective

Y05

7/24/21 5:16pm

Not sure I get your point…

tmurphey44

7/24/21 5:41pm

Correct

run26

7/24/21 6:17pm

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krindorr

7/25/21 7:42pm

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