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Jul 24, 2021
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Pretorian
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Couldn’t follow your logic here, was that TIC
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Something that defies logic and we all just accept is how BYU brings baggage but
gwalker
7/23/21 3:58am
150 years ago BYU was polygamist and was racist. No room for that
BYUALWAYSNUM1
7/23/21 4:11am
Being currently anti-LGBTQ is the biggest issue. And, yes, by the world's
fattycoug
7/23/21 4:16am
But covering up murder and rapes within the last 20 years = no baggage. The
gwalker
7/23/21 4:19am
You’re allowed one carry-on item.
Q-grr
7/23/21 5:35am
Baylor cleaned house including their president. They also don’t wear their
coastcat
7/23/21 6:06am
This is a good point but really ignores the harm and consequences of all of this
Pretorian
7/23/21 9:44am
I heartily agree with you, except that anyone can attend BYU, even LGBTQ people.
tony
7/23/21 7:56pm
And anyone can marry a member of the opposite sex at BYU. Even gay people
run26
7/23/21 8:00pm
Anyone can practice the Muslim faith in an Islamic theocracy. No discrimination
krindorr
7/23/21 8:16pm
Couldn’t follow your logic here, was that TIC
Pretorian
7/24/21 11:36am
some people get sarcasm, some don't
run26
7/24/21 11:37am
Some are better at it than others
Pretorian
7/26/21 10:21am
Is the policy “don’t ask don’t tell?” Or do you get the boot if you are open and
coastcat
7/24/21 5:14am
I don’t know what would happen?
Pretorian
7/24/21 11:40am
I think it’s a problem if you and I don’t have a somewhat clear idea.
coastcat
7/24/21 12:10pm
I get that but the problem is
Pretorian
7/24/21 1:06pm
I agree with you. I saw a few cases where the ability or clout by a Bishop
coastcat
7/24/21 6:23pm
Groups, including conferences differentiate insiders and outsiders w/baggage
NYC and Japan
7/23/21 8:20am
I wasn't responding to that. I was responding to a post intimating that the
fattycoug
7/23/21 4:52pm
This. It’s more of a hot topic right now than rape and murder
ColonelMustard
7/23/21 8:30am
Are you aware that we have a gay professor and member of the honor code office.
civilcoug
7/23/21 8:40am
“Anti” based on what definition? The church & BYU are making real efforts
Soupie
7/23/21 9:27am
The world is wrong, sorry.
Mitty
7/23/21 10:09am
Sorry, polygamy was legal but I don't agree that racism was an institutional pol
oldrugger
7/23/21 8:05am
It was for the Southern Baptists.
CougarThug
7/23/21 9:23am
BYU was racist 44 years ago...i.e., 1977
run26
7/23/21 10:16am
You mean the Church was racist. Please go ahead and post that on here
jrifkin48
7/23/21 10:22am
Indeed and so was pretty much every other institution
Pretorian
7/23/21 10:32am
Sure about that? A black was elected as student body VP in 1976 ( maybe '77).
Forzaitalia
7/23/21 11:30am
Really, is that true?
Pretorian
7/23/21 11:53am
More believable than "Blacks didn't hold the priesthood because of racism"
jrifkin48
7/23/21 11:58am
Why don’t you boardmail me and explain the reason
run26
7/23/21 1:29pm
Yep. I voted for him. His last name was Stephenson; ran with a guy named Sloat.
Forzaitalia
7/23/21 2:53pm
I wish there was solid evidence of this, that is awesome,
Pretorian
7/23/21 7:37pm
There's lots of articles that mention it
krindorr
7/23/21 8:18pm
"I can't be racist. I have a black friend."
Byron McNertney
7/23/21 3:02pm
You're judged by the company you keep per Mom's wisdom. It's not nothing.
Forzaitalia
7/23/21 3:42pm
According to the Deseret News 2/12/2002 Rob Foster was the first Black Student
coastcat
7/23/21 5:09pm
No, Black's could not hold the Priesthood. It was either from God or you are in
oldrugger
7/23/21 2:31pm
The whole country was.
Shore10
7/24/21 6:12am
Speak for yourself Shore. Are you making an admission?
coastcat
7/24/21 6:21am
No it wasn't, actually
Kerbouchard
7/24/21 7:27am
Ok.
Shore10
7/24/21 7:35am
We’ll, you said “the whole country was”. There was no segregation where I grew
coastcat
7/24/21 8:15am
Segregation is hardly the only form of racism.
Shore10
7/24/21 8:38am
There were no “whites only” drinking fountains or lunch counters. I
coastcat
7/24/21 8:51am
Looking at the 100 largest universities in the US, BYU is #98 in diversity
krindorr
7/24/21 9:30am
What's sad with the church is the logic makes us look worse than the action.
Shore10
7/24/21 8:22pm
150 years ago?
Kerbouchard
7/24/21 7:21am
Sorry but you’re downplaying the Sunday play issue.
lilpenny
7/23/21 4:29am
It’s absolutely an issue to deal with. On that we agree. People act like BYU
gwalker
7/23/21 4:37am
Expecting 9 other schools to radically alter scheduling is not reasonable.
Backcountry
7/23/21 7:29am
I wouldn't say that is "radical" rescheduling. Not at all. Biggest reason is BYU
BleedCougarBlue2
7/23/21 7:45am
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cosmohio
7/23/21 11:31am
I don’t think you know what radical means…
Pretorian
7/23/21 11:54am
The sunday play issue is way overblown and not a deal breaker for "every sport
IceCreamButt
7/23/21 6:46am
The secular world doesn’t respect the sabbath. Because ND and others play on
coastcat
7/23/21 7:00am
I have spoken with people close to U Texas. No Sunday play is a deal breaker for
NewMexiCoug
7/23/21 7:22am
I will just leave this here.
Blue Coat
7/23/21 4:34am
Oh no!
Deleted
7/23/21 5:04am
The weightier matters ... The wightier matters
Y05
7/23/21 5:02am
Who has ever said Baylor doesn't have issues?
Byron McNertney
7/23/21 5:19am
They’re already in the club so the club protects its own
squirrelyearl
7/23/21 5:35am
It’s a fairly simple distinction
Joysey
7/23/21 5:45am
Bingo
kudzucoug
7/23/21 6:02am
Plus other wacky things. Historical viewpoints.
johnnycarson
7/23/21 6:06am
Can a homosexual go to another school? Is the homosexual not aware BYU's stance?
jrifkin48
7/23/21 6:26am
Can byu not discriminate?
Deleted
7/23/21 6:31am
BYU can not, no. But the big girls can, yes.
BYUALWAYSNUM1
7/23/21 6:55am
Where’s the discrimination? Do you mean the church? It’s a private school…
byuguns55
7/23/21 6:58am
Feel like your anti-BYU schtick should be against board rules somehow. Can we make up a rule? No bagging on BYU policy?
Trent
7/23/21 7:38am
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Deleted
7/23/21 8:16am
I am okay. You’re not THE most annoying person on here.
Trent
7/23/21 8:19am
Just top 5
Trent
7/23/21 8:20am
Top 1?
Backcountry
7/23/21 10:22am
Nah, there are a few that are even more tiresome.
Trent
7/23/21 10:48am
And that’s why BYU will likely be kept out of the P5. Happy?
CommodoreCoug
7/23/21 6:42am
In the grand scheme of things yes, BYU and the Church shouldn't give up....
jrifkin48
7/23/21 6:46am
Not worth giving up what an institution believes in
byuguns55
7/23/21 6:59am
If that's what you believe, fine. But let's not pretend
CommodoreCoug
7/23/21 7:05am
They do have a choice to go elsewhere. Not a problem IMO
byuguns55
7/23/21 7:07am
RE: They do have a choice to go elsewhere. Not a problem IMO
CommodoreCoug
7/23/21 7:09am
RE: They do have a choice to go elsewhere. Not a problem IMO
byuguns55
7/23/21 8:35am
I say it's good baggage. Some things you can't compromise
jrifkin48
7/23/21 7:22am
You think Discrimination against gays is somehow a core policy ? Byu could easily change policy without the church
Deleted
7/23/21 7:22am
You're delusional if you believe that is true.
Backcountry
7/23/21 7:31am
BYU has loads of policies that aren't doctrinal. Why must it always be stricter?
chago04
7/23/21 7:44am
Why put the school at odds with its BOT? You guys aren’t making a cogent
byuguns55
7/23/21 8:37am
Did you attend BYU? You know who owns the school, subsidizes the education there
byuguns55
7/23/21 8:36am
What if one catches the gay while at BYU?
mulletino
7/23/21 10:06am
Not that much different actually...
tcherrin
7/23/21 7:27am
Please, what policies does BYU have only for homosexuals?
oldrugger
7/23/21 8:02am
Your asking the wrong question. “What policies does BYU have that are different
conetah
7/23/21 8:11am
Why would I care if BYU has other beliefs than "mainstream"? Does being
oldrugger
7/26/21 10:07am
Unfriendly policies?
1CougFan
7/23/21 8:38am
Is that actually the same....? Seems like there's a lot of differences
krindorr
7/23/21 9:25am
Your point is technically valid… but you’re mission some obvious loopholes…
Pretorian
7/23/21 10:48am
Exactly, that's what I can't figure out.
Mitty
7/23/21 10:12am
Unfriendly…. Are we also unfriendly to coffee drinkers and Porn stars?
Pretorian
7/23/21 10:15am
Don’t forget bearded men or pink haired girls.
Soupie
7/23/21 10:33am
Indeed , thanks for the reminder…
Pretorian
7/23/21 10:49am
I want to make it clear that I don’t disagree with BYU policies
Joysey
7/23/21 1:13pm
I think in both cases, the universities' ties to religious institutions are seen
Shinshin
7/23/21 6:28am
You are downplaying BYUs baggage.
Backcountry
7/23/21 6:37am
That's what we have you for.
BYUALWAYSNUM1
7/23/21 6:56am
An unbiased and objective perspective?
Backcountry
7/23/21 7:18am
One person's "unbiased and objective" perspective is another one's....
jrifkin48
7/23/21 8:27am
And just to be clear, we are talking about 31 BU players committing 52 rapes.
rivercitycoug
7/23/21 7:04am
I think it's the range of the effect; and how easy it is to isolate blame to few
krindorr
7/23/21 9:09am
You can use that same logic in regards to the HCO's rape "policy".
CougarThug
7/23/21 9:35am
Baylor is more like Notre Dame. The secular world can stomach those two schools.
BlueFever
7/23/21 9:43am
Baylor is no where near Notre Dame sorry
Swishfromdeep3
7/23/21 10:04am
I said they're more like Notre Dame than they are like BYU.
BlueFever
7/23/21 1:17pm
There's a difference between being "in" and getting "in"
reddead
7/23/21 10:40am
Baylor does not have a chance in Hades of going to the PAC 12
dixdog
7/23/21 12:04pm
Your point is good. The Church & BYU quietly donate huge amounts of time and
Forzaitalia
7/23/21 12:09pm
the Church publicizes its humanitarian efforts pretty regularly
run26
7/23/21 5:03pm
Sorry, but $2.5B in 35 years…
tmurphey44
7/24/21 2:03pm
Since we are a global church, we ought to move some of that off shore.
Q-grr
7/24/21 2:48pm
I know it's hard to understand, so to help put it into perspective
Y05
7/24/21 5:16pm
Not sure I get your point…
tmurphey44
7/24/21 5:41pm
Correct
run26
7/24/21 6:17pm
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krindorr
7/25/21 7:42pm
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