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Jan 27, 2022
6:44:12pm

zsmooth Suss

Here’s the bottom line for me:

* the Pac was terrible last season
* BYU went 5-0 against the Pac cause they were terrible. BYU was not as good as we thought
* Utah had an easy season once they started conference play
* Utah didn’t improve as much as their fans thought. They just stopped playing difficult non-P5 teams
* Oregon won a fluke game against tOSU. It happens.
* I’m glad the Utes finally got their Rose Bowl and I’m glad they think they got their magical season. And I’m glad the magical season includes a loss to BYU they have to constantly tie their minds into knots to understand.

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zsmooth

Bio page: zsmooth
Joined: Nov 26, 2004
Last login: Apr 26, 2024
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The PAC as we know it won’t exist in 10-12 years. If BYU joined it and when they

SouthernBlueBlood

1/25/22 12:22pm

I feel the B12 is on shakier ground, but who knows

LiveCoug

1/25/22 12:23pm

I think being tied into the eastern half of the country is a good thing. The power brokers are all out east. College

1/25/22 12:25pm

Hard to argue otherwise when the PAC is so lowly rated as a conference and most of their stadiums in both major sports

mulletino

1/25/22 12:28pm

Getting west coasters to care about college sports will be something the PAC

benny1982

1/25/22 12:32pm

I don't think any better conferences will poach anyone left in the big 12.

FieroCoug

1/25/22 12:25pm

Only concern in my mind is the PAC12

krindorr

1/25/22 1:05pm

Though I should stipulate that's the worst-case scenario and I don't think it's likely the PAC12 expands

krindorr

1/25/22 1:26pm

I said better conferences. The pac could try to take some big 12 teams

FieroCoug

1/25/22 2:41pm

B12 is composed of solid programs committed to grid iron success with no where else to go

hdx57

1/25/22 12:48pm

A thumbs up from TNT, I have arrived!!!

hdx57

1/25/22 1:21pm

I think this depends on your viewpoint...

Waddamy

1/25/22 4:49pm

You always say that but you have no insight into why that would be… none

travelcoug

1/25/22 8:29pm

If the PAC had added BYU when they added Utah, I think they would be in a much

BYUtka

1/25/22 12:42pm

Agree

SouthernBlueBlood

1/25/22 12:45pm

Thank goodness they didn't. What a nightmare that would be. Being tied to that conference would just be a constant

1/25/22 12:46pm

The PAC12 has some inherent disadvantages that strong leadership could have mitigated

hdx57

1/25/22 1:20pm

I can so easily see the B1G

hdx57

1/25/22 1:33pm

Getting Colorado and Nebraska back would be epic case scenario

Sic'Em Beers

1/26/22 1:29am

Nebraska is a 75% done deal

hdx57

1/26/22 8:23am

Stanford is a zero except on cougarboard. UCLA is a basketball school.

travelcoug

1/26/22 1:51am

College football as we know it as an amateur sport may not exist and BYU may face some tough choices about continuing.

PJMort

1/25/22 12:48pm

BYU fans make way too much of a few years of struggle for the P12. The P12 needs USC to resurge and all signs

TFL

1/25/22 1:02pm

lol settle down there. Utah lost 5 games in 2019 and finished unranked. Let's chill out on that one.

mulletino

1/25/22 1:05pm

5 games? I don't think so. Utah finishing the regular season at #5 is a huge indicator

TFL

1/25/22 1:10pm

Oh sorry, you only lost 3 games. So close to undefeated! I guess I was thinking about your 5 loss 2018 season

mulletino

1/25/22 1:13pm

I said it back then, the 2018 ring ceremony was a KW strategy to push the team. Yes, cringey. But effective.

TFL

1/25/22 1:26pm

....they finished 11-3 and ranked #16. This year we finished 10-3 and ranked #19

krindorr

1/25/22 1:13pm

I already corrected myself above. So you can delete your little narrative you wrote that makes you sad.

mulletino

1/25/22 1:15pm

PAC needs to get fans interested again. Empty stadiums whether due to Covid or disinterest will take more than

Soupie

1/25/22 1:23pm

Amazing how much mileage they got out of those two Oregon wins...

SageOwl

1/25/22 2:39pm

And everyone ignores that they haven't beaten a non PAC FBS team in years.

BYUtka

1/25/22 3:05pm

I think it's the opposite.

TFL

1/25/22 3:31pm

Of course you see it that way. Dismantling those PAC doesn’t appear that impressive.

Soupie

1/25/22 3:47pm

Not me. It's the people doing the rankings. AP, Coaches, CFP, Computers, Vegas, Writers for next year's preseason

TFL

1/25/22 5:38pm

Are you really hanging your hat on UCLA and Stanford?

byublue42

1/25/22 4:01pm

That was the best evidence for ranking corruption ever.

Soupie

1/25/22 4:06pm

Amen.

The_Cuss

1/25/22 5:52pm

Yes. Winning 9 out of the last 10 with an impressive MOV is why Utah

TFL

1/25/22 6:05pm

Only because they are fortuitous to be part of the worst P5 conference since the

byublue42

1/25/22 7:09pm

I think you just focus too much on the negatives for schools and conferences you don't like. What you'll see is that

TFL

1/25/22 7:26pm

No not really, I focus on what gets too much credit when it isn’t warranted

byublue42

1/25/22 8:13pm

If Oregon beat tOSU in the Shoe, why did Utah that beat Oregon twice lose to tOSU? I mean tOSU was missing many players

slatecoug

1/25/22 10:45pm

Can you explain to me how Oregon beating tOSU in week 2 meant something, but BYU beating Utah week 2 was meaningless?

zsmooth

1/26/22 3:43am

Because we all like to cherry-pick

krindorr

1/26/22 5:30am

At this point most BYU fans I know admit BYU went 5-0 against the Pac cause the Pac sucks.

zsmooth

1/26/22 7:41am

I agree with you entirely. But there is a slight difference

TFL

1/26/22 1:25pm

Meaningless to whom?

TFL

1/26/22 1:20pm

That was a lot of words to not address my question.

zsmooth

1/27/22 6:10pm

Beating a perennial, blue blood playoff team in their house, where they hadn't lost in several years is a HUGE win

TFL

1/27/22 6:32pm

Okay, so your argument is “no the Pac didn’t suck last season cause Oregon beat tOSU in the second week…

zsmooth

1/27/22 6:39pm

No. The Pac-12 sucked last year. But so did the other conferences compared to the SEC. Utah turned a mediocre

TFL

1/27/22 6:50pm

Exactly. He discounts one because of week 2 excuses, but Oregon can hang their

The_Cuss

1/27/22 7:00pm

Amen.

zsmooth

1/27/22 11:04pm

Because it's completely irrelevant. Ohio State missed the playoffs bc of that game.

TFL

1/28/22 11:43am

No, they missed the playoffs because of their loss to Michigan.

byublue42

1/28/22 11:55am

A 1-loss tOSU gets in over Cincy. See Georgia.

TFL

1/28/22 12:02pm

Here’s the bottom line for me:

zsmooth

1/27/22 6:44pm

I agree 100% with this. But don’t forget their magical season included a loss to

The_Cuss

1/27/22 7:17pm

Not a magical season. Just an awesome one for fan engagement and entertainment. Huge exposure for the program

TFL

1/27/22 7:40pm

Oh, so not wins but fan excitement. And a bunch of hypotheticals based on

The_Cuss

1/28/22 7:50am

10 wins on a rebuild year is fantastic. Playing well against a blue blood at the Rose Bowl just adds

TFL

1/28/22 11:35am

This is never ending. Again congrats on the exposure and moral wins. Scoreboard

The_Cuss

1/28/22 1:01pm

For Utah, none of that is relevant though. That's the whole point

TFL

1/27/22 7:35pm

Other times when a conference cycles up and down, it's not caused by politics.

FieroCoug

1/25/22 2:42pm

BYU would quit the PAC on moral grounds w/in 3 years

Dr MoBYU

1/25/22 2:47pm

BYU fans shouldn’t be so happy to dance on the grave of the PAC-12

spinner

1/25/22 4:09pm

I've been arguing this for a while

krindorr

1/25/22 4:45pm

This is why the B1G will poach the PAC. Take their very best and leave the rest

Bluforever

1/25/22 5:50pm

If the Big 12 takes Oregon, Washington, UCLA, USC (for example)

krindorr

1/25/22 7:11pm

Would this be terrible? I think it would

Sic'Em Beers

1/26/22 1:45am

Could see it going a variety of ways

krindorr

1/26/22 6:33am

I would think it first goes to P4 with the PAC carved up into the BIG and B12

Nat Gas Man

1/26/22 6:02am

There's some things about that which just don't add up

krindorr

1/26/22 9:02am

All we have to do is “Just Win Baby”

Cosmo4life

1/25/22 8:30pm

Being in the Big 12 will ensure a spot for us when the whole system is overhauled.

1/26/22 1:28am

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