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Jun 30, 2020
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Zoobieman
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Is IndyCoug Trolling? Healthcare in America has been expensive for decades.
This is similar to the price it would cost earlier.
We have seen bills for about $1,000 for ER visits in which just shots of medicine and imaging was done.
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Son had a kidney stone, went to ER. No surgery, just meds. $23,000.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:01am
Someone has to subsidize all the health care facilities which were grossly underutilized the past 3 months.
Indy Coug
6/29/20 9:02am
So it would not have been some outrageous sum 6 months ago?
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:04am
It would've been but you’re making up for Medicaid and Medicare
Druick
6/29/20 9:08am
It's impossible that things are overpriced here, because freedom.
vagabonder
6/29/20 9:10am
Yeah, thank goodness I didn't have one of those SOCIALIST systems in place.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:39am
I think many people avoid care as long as possible now in the US
byukarl
6/29/20 10:06am
Uhh you just posted the other day about a system in Peru NOT HAVING OXYGEN for
kotacoug
6/29/20 10:06am
Did I say we should implement Peru's health care plan when it's in a pandemic?
ReyOso
6/29/20 10:09am
I grew up in Canada, I have sisters currently in Healthcare in Canada. I’ve
kotacoug
6/29/20 10:13am
Maybe we can. We're currently not there, though.
ReyOso
6/29/20 10:17am
RE: Maybe we can. We're currently not there, though.
El Puma
6/29/20 10:32am
RE: Did I say we should implement Peru's health care plan when it's in a
Eog
6/29/20 11:23am
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Abe Froman
6/29/20 10:19am
All those Obama care and illegal entry people who get subsidized and free care
kotacoug
6/29/20 9:30am
The ACA might have affected insurance (more specifically premiums)
Druick
6/29/20 9:38am
It's not because of Obama people and illegal people
byukarl
6/29/20 10:00am
Oh it’s a big problem made more problematic by Democrat policy over the last 8
kotacoug
6/29/20 10:04am
kind of simplistic statement to state it's all on Obama
byukarl
6/29/20 10:07am
Hey let me check my post and see where I said it is ALL on Obama....
kotacoug
6/29/20 10:11am
Sometimes you get a little touchy in your replies
byukarl
6/29/20 10:16am
I do. I’ll dial it back. Thanks. 👍🏻
kotacoug
6/29/20 11:37am
I went to the ER for a kidney stone years ago, when Bush was President, and
GenkiLawyer
6/30/20 12:55am
Is IndyCoug Trolling? Healthcare in America has been expensive for decades.
Zoobieman
6/30/20 8:41pm
$23,000. What kind of arbitrary number is that? Seems excessive. The system is
pink22
6/29/20 9:03am
What hospital was this at? Prices are very different depending on the hospital
Druick
6/29/20 9:07am
UCSF Children's Hospital
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:26am
You picked the most expensive hospital in the country so there's that.
jvquarterback
6/29/20 11:46am
That is insane.
Virginia Ute
6/29/20 9:08am
I went to the ER in January for some imaging after an urgent care doctor told me
here's to hoping
6/29/20 9:58am
meant for OP, sorry.
here's to hoping
6/29/20 9:59am
Sheesh....first of all, I literally feel your kid's pain (been there many times)
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
6/29/20 9:10am
Thanks, he was in lots of pain. I've been there, too. He's too young for this.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:40am
My son who is now 22 had his one and only stone when he was 12. They suck!
Don_Juan_El_Guapo
6/29/20 10:27am
Didn't a law pass or is in the works that requires the healthcare industry
RH84025
6/29/20 9:10am
Don’t tell ReyOso but Trump is behind it.
kotacoug
6/29/20 10:08am
Our system is completely broken. Health care issues
Adwight
6/29/20 9:11am
Ideally, sure. But why do we feel entitled to to that?
Backcountry
6/29/20 9:16am
To not go bankrupt because of an act of God? The insurance we pay for, for one.
vagabonder
6/29/20 9:48am
Because market failure, industry collusion, and perverse incentives give us the
valleus
6/29/20 9:56am
Because the declaration says life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Adwight
6/29/20 11:41am
Because most countries have this basic thing figured out
FatThor
6/29/20 1:12pm
I thought I heard somewhere that hospitals are supposed to state the
HingleMcCringleberry
6/29/20 9:12am
One of the places I work at has started to do that. They can’t say exactly how much it’ll be, but can give a good ball
Virginia Ute
6/29/20 9:14am
The very nice registration person told us our estimated cost when I took my son to the ER a couple weeks ago. I paid the
Slim
6/29/20 10:10am
And this is one of the problems as you suggested
byukarl
6/29/20 10:20am
Btw I would HATE to have that job of the registration person that has to go deliver the news about the ridiculous bill.
Virginia Ute
6/29/20 10:52am
It is terrible for sure.
kotacoug
6/29/20 11:36am
The fact that you're a doctor and still have trouble/negative surprises
CommodoreCoug
7/1/20 7:09am
We actually did do some research.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:34am
RE: Son had a kidney stone, went to ER. No surgery, just meds. $23,000.
joelvandyne
6/29/20 9:17am
You pay for it one way or another. Either you pay in the form of higher taxes...
Zastava
6/29/20 9:23am
Ya this is something people rarely acknowledge. It comes down to which entity is
kotacoug
6/29/20 9:26am
Given we pay double the OECD average, it appears not our current system.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:29am
See my post above. You are paying for the policies you voted in. Maybe note
kotacoug
6/29/20 9:31am
What policies did YOU vote in? If you're an American, you're in the same boat.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:37am
I didn’t vote for Obamacare and I don’t vote for policies that enable illegal
kotacoug
6/29/20 9:43am
Regardless an evaluation and meds shouldn't cost 23000
ZacSeljaas'Stache
6/29/20 9:27am
Except we have double or more per capita $$$ in the US compared to others.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:28am
Not really. We pay more for the same level of service as other G20 countries.
valleus
6/29/20 9:36am
It's not just your bill you are paying. I know that doesn't help your situation, but that's the cause.
Ragnar Danneskjold
6/29/20 9:23am
Luckily he didn’t need Oxygen right?
kotacoug
6/29/20 9:24am
The problem is we made very little progress in terms of
byukarl
6/29/20 9:59am
$23,000? Isn’t that just the cost of the Advil? More bills are coming....
mobomanjoe
6/29/20 9:28am
Something weird must have happened because I had the same thing, went in for
CSoul
6/29/20 9:28am
Nothing surprising about the experience other than the bill.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:31am
Well that seems 8x what is normal imo.
CSoul
6/29/20 9:42am
Did he stay overnight or something?
JuicyJam
6/29/20 9:28am
No.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:29am
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StarMan
6/29/20 9:31am
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Ragnar Danneskjold
6/29/20 9:31am
Got hit by a car last year - here’s a few medical bill highlights
Jersey hunter
6/29/20 9:33am
Half a million for my daughters 3 week NICU stay.
Adwight
6/29/20 11:27am
How much of that are you on the hook for?
HeismanTy
6/29/20 12:24pm
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DaCougEye
6/29/20 1:22pm
Imagine getting a burger from McDonald’s and they charge you $58 for it because
IntelCougar
6/29/20 9:35am
Rarely does anybody pay that total amount. Not you. Not the insurance company.
diluigifan
6/29/20 9:35am
It’s seems like they put obscene original costs so you feel better about the
Pepe
6/29/20 10:03am
True. Billing it medicine sucks.
diluigifan
6/29/20 10:26am
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DaCougEye
6/29/20 1:23pm
What I mean is: when a hospital bill is $23,000, private insurance companies
diluigifan
6/29/20 1:58pm
Title says 23,000. Body of message says 2,300. Which is it?
Fightgar
6/29/20 9:38am
I read it as total bill 23k, and portion for patient after insurance is 2.7k.
diluigifan
6/29/20 9:39am
The initial bill is $23K. We ended up paying $2,790 out of pocket.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:41am
I would call the provider and ask if they offer a prompt pay discount.
CougSilver
6/29/20 9:41am
Thank, it can't hurt.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:42am
Do you have MotivHealth?
Druick
6/29/20 9:45am
No, I don't know what that is.
ReyOso
6/29/20 9:46am
No. But this is about the provider not the insurance co.
CougSilver
6/29/20 9:48am
Prompt pay is a large piece of their companies success. Just wondering...
Druick
6/29/20 9:55am
I tried to do this recently. They wouldn’t budge at all.
spugeddy24
6/29/20 10:07am
Dude, you just saved me $350!
ReyOso
6/29/20 10:51am
Awesome!
CougSilver
6/29/20 11:24am
Pics or it didn't happen.
uteman1011
6/29/20 9:49am
That's crazy. I took my son to the ER a couple weeks ago because I was worried about appendicitis and our overall charge
Slim
6/29/20 9:59am
What did it turn out to be?
ReyOso
6/29/20 10:07am
Viral enteritis. Basically nothing. But just like you I had a kid (thirteen) who was completely healthy, never
Slim
6/29/20 10:12am
This kid's older brother had appendicitis, and I probably waited too long.
ReyOso
6/29/20 10:14am
Yikes. You’re better off buying your own ultrasound.
valleus
6/29/20 10:39am
Look closely at the EOB you get from the insurance company. It’ll show how much
StalwartBraveTrue
6/29/20 10:12am
Live in St George, son stepped on a sawed off end of a large bolt...
SLC COUGAR
6/29/20 10:23am
is that equivalent to like an urgent care? That seems crazy high if it is.
Druick
6/29/20 10:31am
It was the normal pediatrics night clinic. Crazy.
SLC COUGAR
6/29/20 11:09am
Also, ouch! That sounds painful.
ReyOso
6/29/20 10:43am
Sad thing is that the person doing the stitching probably got $100 (or less)
kiyoshige
6/29/20 12:52pm
Crazy expensive but it's either the current system or
D.T. Survivor
6/29/20 10:36am
No. There are many other options
EFM_Coug
6/29/20 12:28pm
Let’s be honest though the American people don’t want to change either.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/29/20 4:40pm
$23,000 is an interesting number
mtnbiker
6/29/20 10:56am
Concierge Doc
breakingblue
6/29/20 11:05am
Most people use healthcare at the end of their life.
Boring
6/29/20 11:41am
Sorry man, that has got to be super frustrating.
HeismanTy
6/29/20 12:23pm
As a physician, I think that bill is insane. I have been hit myself by bills
BYU28_Miami21
6/29/20 1:33pm
The thing to look at is how much the total payment was, you + the insurance.
lightmann
6/29/20 1:40pm
This.
diluigifan
6/29/20 2:01pm
This concept only is useful for people that have insurance. For people without
BYU28_Miami21
6/29/20 2:31pm
true
lightmann
6/29/20 2:37pm
We have a steep discount for cash payers. Most hospitals do.
diluigifan
6/29/20 2:40pm
So in the original posters example, what’s a ballpark for cash payment? I’m
BYU28_Miami21
6/29/20 3:37pm
Years ago my husband went to the ER w/kidney stone. Co-pay $50. Now only $250.
Wear Blue
6/29/20 4:28pm
Agree!
SC_Rowland
6/29/20 10:39pm
How do we reach out to you for something like this? Cost? Etc...?
breakingblue
6/30/20 12:39am
Totally sucks. Now most of that is not going to provider.
RestonWarrior89
6/29/20 10:48pm
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