I don't understand why people want to blame independence for this. Blame

Mar 12, 2018
3:14:44pm

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coaching, injuries to key guys and top recruits not panning out (aka Heaps and Mangum) This idea that independence is somehow to blame is just amateurish thinking

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There's a fatal flaw with this argument, IMO

Byu_1988

3/12/18 11:49am

P5 means more to recruits now then it ever has

ChairmanOfTheBoard

3/12/18 11:54am

'than'

Soy Celeste

3/12/18 12:59pm

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trjohnson007

3/12/18 4:46pm

And he became Chairman of the Board. Not bad!

Soy Celeste

3/12/18 5:30pm

I think the better comparison is to look at all teams post 2010 when realignment happened

Adrielle

3/12/18 11:55am

RE: I think the better comparison is to look at all teams post 2010 when

displacedute

3/12/18 12:52pm

If you think trying to recruit against them as an Indy is tough, try recruiting

CougarBacker

3/12/18 11:56am

Better yet, ask Boise St.

Cougtruth

3/12/18 11:59am

You do realize that BSU doesn't have anywhere near the recruiting limitations

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:02pm

OK, you are saying that BYU has unique religious limitations and

Cougtruth

3/12/18 2:41pm

I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall with you guys. You can only

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:07pm

CB has a lot of critics, complainers and defeatists, often

Benfica1

3/12/18 3:17pm

Yes, ^^^^^ Thank you

Pretorian

3/12/18 4:29pm

Boise is a perfect example of winning leading to better recruiting, BYU

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:43pm

Like what?

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:00pm

If you think the top recruits care one bit about playing for a MWC championship

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:05pm

Recruits aren't buying what we're selling.

Metallicat

3/12/18 12:43pm

It cracks me up that you guys actually think this would improve being in the MWC

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:53pm

Not saying it would get better. We're saying this is who we've always been.

Metallicat

3/12/18 2:18pm

Nobody said Indy would improve our recruiting success. What I've said is that

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:22pm

If that's such a draw for recruits, then why has recruiting been worse in indy?

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:45pm

Because we're not winning

Ryan M

3/12/18 1:40pm

And we're not winning because we're trying too hard to punch above our weight

Byu_1988

3/12/18 1:47pm

RE: And we're not winning because we're trying too hard to punch above our

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:55pm

Lol

Byu_1988

3/12/18 1:57pm

Yeah I'm not a fan of sharing a program with a bunch of whiny quitters who would

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:10pm

If you want to continue to chase an unreachable goal, go ahead

Byu_1988

3/12/18 2:37pm

Haha! You think seats are empty now. Go on and head back to the MWC. Those loyal

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:09pm

Last year had plenty of winnable games... We didn't lose them due to independenc

Ryan M

3/12/18 2:15pm

No, BYU has been cheap with resources. They are making changes. BYU has and

BYUButters

3/13/18 1:08am

Some fans don't care about trying to compete. They just want wins and don't

CougarBacker

3/13/18 10:01am

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

ColonelMustard

3/12/18 8:31pm

RE: If that's such a draw for recruits, then why has recruiting been worse in

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:54pm

Agree, but BYU also isn’t in Logan. The culture shock for their guys coming from

Alpi Gusto

3/12/18 12:02pm

I think you understand what I'm saying though. A move to the MWC is a choice

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:06pm

Yep, absolutely. I just wanted to put an irrelevant observation out there

Alpi Gusto

3/12/18 12:07pm

Um... we are considered to be in the same boat with Boise...

Coug

3/12/18 1:52pm

Nah we wouldn't compete with BSU recruiting. BSU has much looser enrance

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:13pm

BYU's admissions for athletes are equivalent to Boise's.

displacedute

3/12/18 2:25pm

Yea, Boise's honor code is equivalent to BYU's. They know what we deal with.

coolblue

3/12/18 4:54pm

The honor code is not "looser enrance [sic] standards"

displacedute

3/12/18 5:21pm

It's the excuse drum that a lot like to bang around here... you're spot on

Coug

3/12/18 6:21pm

It certainly is when it comes to getting Cornerbacks and WR's. Any cougarfan

mtnKat

3/12/18 9:37pm

He's not a BYU fan. Keep in mind when speaking with yewts, no matter what they

CougarBacker

3/12/18 10:07pm

Good point. Forgot who I was addressing.

mtnKat

3/13/18 7:38am

Do we really take that many partial qualifiers? I remember GC tried some different recruiting tactics like this, i

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 7:42pm

We have never taken unlimited partial qualifiers. We could, but we don't.

jkccoug

3/12/18 11:04pm

Also, we didn't take partials at all when we were in the MWC, unlike Utah

jkccoug

3/12/18 11:06pm

You have one on your team right now.

displacedute

3/12/18 11:20pm

Apparently you didn't read his posts

CougarBacker

3/12/18 11:35pm

One. Sounds like we're not exactly relying on partial qualifiers

jkccoug

3/13/18 10:01pm

One that is public. I don't have transcripts for every BYU player.

displacedute

3/13/18 10:11pm

dang i'm a hack. I made a huge post about this that you summed up in fewer words.

ColonelMustard

3/12/18 8:32pm

To further throw salt into the wound, BYU's classes are very incomplete

mudpupper

3/12/18 11:56am

of course that is true. we have been passed. what sucks is that they started

johnnycarson

3/12/18 11:58am

but nobody is actually saying we will compete with utah. we won't. we need

johnnycarson

3/12/18 11:59am

Exactly.

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:06pm

So the solution is to give up and not try to compete then? Okay got it

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:08pm

yes. we give up and fight a different fight. cause going to an ny6 game

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:11pm

So you think moving to the MWC makes us able to compete with LSU and not ever

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:15pm

ha. no. we will never compete with playoff caliber teams.

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:17pm

Spoken like a true quitter.

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:18pm

you're welcome to continue bringing a knife to a gunfight, but its killing the

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:20pm

Actually it's nowhere near clear

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:24pm

RE: ha. no. we will never compete with playoff caliber teams.

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:19pm

No, the solution is to be realistic about our goals and capabilities.

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:50pm

RE: No, the solution is to be realistic about our goals and capabilities.

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:55pm

You're right. But in order to try to keep up, Indy is better due to the schedules it offers to kids. And $$ to BYU.

Turnpike Lane

3/12/18 11:59am

kids don't care. if they did we'd have better recruitnig numbers the last 8 yrs

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:00pm

Why would kids care about the MWC?

SoCalCoug

3/12/18 12:06pm

an ny6 game and some fan momentum. we won't get worse talent in the mwc.

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:08pm

Yes we will get worse talent. We would never beat a P5 school again head to head

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:15pm

we will not get worse talent than we get now. we are already behind every p5

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:17pm

Please tell me you're not really this dense. Right now we do win some recruiting

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:26pm

maybe you should read up on recruiting rankings before you argue anything.

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:36pm

Honestly at this point, I'm just going to chalk you up as a quitter who is too

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:56pm

We have a lot of CBers with defeatist attitudes that contribute to the problem

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:40pm

No we can't. We would rarely if ever beat any P5 team in a head to head

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:12pm

We already have zero to offer compared to P5 teams.

Metallicat

3/12/18 12:45pm

Incorrect! We have less to offer them right now. We would have zero to offer

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:58pm

What I'm starting to gather is that their are way more quitters in the BYU

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:11pm

ummmmm, we're not competing. do you think we are competing?

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:12pm

you really think a team with 70+ talent is gonna go beat LSU on the road?

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:13pm

Most BYu fans I know would flee the fanbase if we did this. So pick your poison

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:17pm

you think the fanbase is excited now?

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:20pm

Nope and they would be even less excited if we go running back to the MWC

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:26pm

I'm excited about BYU football.

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:47pm

You have yet to tell me why or how that changes by going to the MWC. I fully

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:16pm

you think we are going to be recruiting worse than g5 teams by joining the mwc?

johnnycarson

3/12/18 12:22pm

I don't know. The BSU's of the world don't have the same recruiting disadvantage

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:28pm

We played multiple NY6 teams last year. Yet you want to go back to the MWC to

BYUButters

3/13/18 1:09am

AAC is much more likely than MWC. The latter just isn't going to happen.

timpjynx

3/12/18 12:04pm

Nobody is denying that there is a perception that goes with the p5 moniker, as

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:16pm

Also, BYU picked up some big transfer recruits after the initial Sitake season

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:18pm

There is a fatal flaw with your logic as well

Croweater

3/12/18 1:21pm

And I believe that independence does have something to do with poor recruiting

Byu_1988

3/12/18 1:36pm

And you’d be wrong. Stop blaming Independence. Blame PAC-12 /B12 snubs

Croweater

3/12/18 1:49pm

Except that none of those things have anything to do with being independent

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:00pm

Yep, and if our recruiting hadn't suffered because of independence

Byu_1988

3/12/18 2:42pm

It's really shortsighted and nonsensical to think that our recruiting suffered

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:12pm

In the decade prior to 2017, BYU defeated 49% of its P5 opponents.

Gorum the Old

3/12/18 1:47pm

Cracks me up that people think 1 season is a trend

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:01pm

Since Crowton retired you've done poorly against P5 teams.

displacedute

3/12/18 3:06pm

I don't understand why people want to blame independence for this. Blame

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:14pm

There's a fatal flaw with your argument as well. Waaaaaay too many differences

Extra Biscuits

3/12/18 2:20pm

Maybe I should learn to read

Extra Biscuits

3/12/18 2:22pm

Fatal?

Unibro

3/12/18 3:15pm

RE: There's a fatal flaw with this argument, IMO

Gerald-DeGroot

3/12/18 3:58pm

To what end? What is your point? SO i guess we should just fall in a heap and

Pretorian

3/12/18 4:05pm

There's a fatal flaw in *your* argument...

jomo

3/12/18 4:48pm

I mean no disrespect but I think there is a flaw in your thinking

ColonelMustard

3/12/18 7:43pm

Maybe we can all just agree that in either case winning would make things better. And winning as an independent would

ColonelMustard

3/12/18 8:34pm

Amen. Tougher schedule=more losses=worse recruiting

canofpicante

3/12/18 10:21pm

LOL dumbing down the schedule will have the opposite effect you think it will

CougarBacker

3/12/18 10:33pm

LOL how do you think we became who we are?

canofpicante

3/13/18 3:32pm

We became who we are because we had a legendary coach who got the best out of

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:25pm

We became who we are dominanting inferior foes in a small conference

canofpicante

3/21/18 6:18pm

Just like Gonzaga became who they are....

Benfica1

3/21/18 6:31pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 9:52am

Everything you just posted is irrelevant. You are completely missing the point

CougarBacker

3/23/18 10:18am

Hmmm. I personally loved watching BYU play. Back in the day

Benfica1

3/23/18 10:44am

2 things here. You are right in the fact that things are somewhat different now

CougarBacker

3/23/18 10:56am

Nope. Just liked seeing the team play...

Benfica1

3/23/18 12:01pm

I agree, but I don't think that has anything to do with being Indy

CougarBacker

3/23/18 12:54pm

Agree. My comment wasn't about independence... which I like.

Benfica1

3/23/18 2:37pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 12:18pm

You're like talking to a brick wall. The point is flying right past you.

CougarBacker

3/23/18 12:56pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 2:35pm

RE: Bless your heart.

CougarBacker

3/23/18 2:43pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 12:36pm

Sure buddy

CougarBacker

3/23/18 12:56pm

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