Everything you just posted is irrelevant. You are completely missing the point

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Mar 23, 2018
10:18:12am

CougarBacker All-American

Everything you just posted is irrelevant. You are completely missing the point

You and I know that some of his best wins came against G5 teams yes. However nationally, that is not how BYU came into relevancy.

As a BYU fan since 1974, my best memories have been when BYU has beaten respected P5 programs, not the plethora of wins against Wyoming, New Mexico and UNLV.

It's not about what his best wins were. It's about beating SMU and Missouri and Michigan and Penn St and Notre Dame and Miami and Texas and Oklahoma and UCLA and Washington and Texas A & M etc. etc. Their final records when we beat them are also irrelevant.

The simple fact is, nationally people notice and respect you more for beating a 6-6 Texas team than they do for beating a 9-3 Fresno St team. That is always how college football has worked whether fair or not.

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There's a fatal flaw with this argument, IMO

Byu_1988

3/12/18 11:49am

P5 means more to recruits now then it ever has

ChairmanOfTheBoard

3/12/18 11:54am

'than'

Soy Celeste

3/12/18 12:59pm

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trjohnson007

3/12/18 4:46pm

And he became Chairman of the Board. Not bad!

Soy Celeste

3/12/18 5:30pm

I think the better comparison is to look at all teams post 2010 when realignment happened

Adrielle

3/12/18 11:55am

RE: I think the better comparison is to look at all teams post 2010 when

displacedute

3/12/18 12:52pm

If you think trying to recruit against them as an Indy is tough, try recruiting

CougarBacker

3/12/18 11:56am

Better yet, ask Boise St.

Cougtruth

3/12/18 11:59am

You do realize that BSU doesn't have anywhere near the recruiting limitations

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:02pm

OK, you are saying that BYU has unique religious limitations and

Cougtruth

3/12/18 2:41pm

I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall with you guys. You can only

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:07pm

CB has a lot of critics, complainers and defeatists, often

Benfica1

3/12/18 3:17pm

Yes, ^^^^^ Thank you

Pretorian

3/12/18 4:29pm

Boise is a perfect example of winning leading to better recruiting, BYU

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:43pm

Like what?

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:00pm

If you think the top recruits care one bit about playing for a MWC championship

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:05pm

Recruits aren't buying what we're selling.

Metallicat

3/12/18 12:43pm

It cracks me up that you guys actually think this would improve being in the MWC

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:53pm

Not saying it would get better. We're saying this is who we've always been.

Metallicat

3/12/18 2:18pm

Nobody said Indy would improve our recruiting success. What I've said is that

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:22pm

If that's such a draw for recruits, then why has recruiting been worse in indy?

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:45pm

Because we're not winning

Ryan M

3/12/18 1:40pm

And we're not winning because we're trying too hard to punch above our weight

Byu_1988

3/12/18 1:47pm

RE: And we're not winning because we're trying too hard to punch above our

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:55pm

Lol

Byu_1988

3/12/18 1:57pm

Yeah I'm not a fan of sharing a program with a bunch of whiny quitters who would

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:10pm

If you want to continue to chase an unreachable goal, go ahead

Byu_1988

3/12/18 2:37pm

Haha! You think seats are empty now. Go on and head back to the MWC. Those loyal

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:09pm

Last year had plenty of winnable games... We didn't lose them due to independenc

Ryan M

3/12/18 2:15pm

No, BYU has been cheap with resources. They are making changes. BYU has and

BYUButters

3/13/18 1:08am

Some fans don't care about trying to compete. They just want wins and don't

CougarBacker

3/13/18 10:01am

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

3/12/18 8:31pm

RE: If that's such a draw for recruits, then why has recruiting been worse in

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:54pm

Agree, but BYU also isn’t in Logan. The culture shock for their guys coming from

Alpi Gusto

3/12/18 12:02pm

I think you understand what I'm saying though. A move to the MWC is a choice

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:06pm

Yep, absolutely. I just wanted to put an irrelevant observation out there

Alpi Gusto

3/12/18 12:07pm

Um... we are considered to be in the same boat with Boise...

Coug

3/12/18 1:52pm

Nah we wouldn't compete with BSU recruiting. BSU has much looser enrance

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:13pm

BYU's admissions for athletes are equivalent to Boise's.

displacedute

3/12/18 2:25pm

Yea, Boise's honor code is equivalent to BYU's. They know what we deal with.

coolblue

3/12/18 4:54pm

The honor code is not "looser enrance [sic] standards"

displacedute

3/12/18 5:21pm

It's the excuse drum that a lot like to bang around here... you're spot on

Coug

3/12/18 6:21pm

It certainly is when it comes to getting Cornerbacks and WR's. Any cougarfan

mtnKat

3/12/18 9:37pm

He's not a BYU fan. Keep in mind when speaking with yewts, no matter what they

CougarBacker

3/12/18 10:07pm

Good point. Forgot who I was addressing.

mtnKat

3/13/18 7:38am

Do we really take that many partial qualifiers? I remember GC tried some different recruiting tactics like this, i

morningcalmcougar

3/13/18 7:42pm

We have never taken unlimited partial qualifiers. We could, but we don't.

jkccoug

3/12/18 11:04pm

Also, we didn't take partials at all when we were in the MWC, unlike Utah

jkccoug

3/12/18 11:06pm

You have one on your team right now.

displacedute

3/12/18 11:20pm

Apparently you didn't read his posts

CougarBacker

3/12/18 11:35pm

One. Sounds like we're not exactly relying on partial qualifiers

jkccoug

3/13/18 10:01pm

One that is public. I don't have transcripts for every BYU player.

displacedute

3/13/18 10:11pm

dang i'm a hack. I made a huge post about this that you summed up in fewer words.

3/12/18 8:32pm

To further throw salt into the wound, BYU's classes are very incomplete

mudpupper

3/12/18 11:56am

of course that is true. we have been passed. what sucks is that they started

3/12/18 11:58am

but nobody is actually saying we will compete with utah. we won't. we need

3/12/18 11:59am

Exactly.

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:06pm

So the solution is to give up and not try to compete then? Okay got it

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:08pm

yes. we give up and fight a different fight. cause going to an ny6 game

3/12/18 12:11pm

So you think moving to the MWC makes us able to compete with LSU and not ever

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:15pm

ha. no. we will never compete with playoff caliber teams.

3/12/18 12:17pm

Spoken like a true quitter.

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:18pm

you're welcome to continue bringing a knife to a gunfight, but its killing the

3/12/18 12:20pm

Actually it's nowhere near clear

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:24pm

RE: ha. no. we will never compete with playoff caliber teams.

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:19pm

No, the solution is to be realistic about our goals and capabilities.

Byu_1988

3/12/18 12:50pm

RE: No, the solution is to be realistic about our goals and capabilities.

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:55pm

You're right. But in order to try to keep up, Indy is better due to the schedules it offers to kids. And $$ to BYU.

3/12/18 11:59am

kids don't care. if they did we'd have better recruitnig numbers the last 8 yrs

3/12/18 12:00pm

Why would kids care about the MWC?

SoCalCoug

3/12/18 12:06pm

an ny6 game and some fan momentum. we won't get worse talent in the mwc.

3/12/18 12:08pm

Yes we will get worse talent. We would never beat a P5 school again head to head

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:15pm

we will not get worse talent than we get now. we are already behind every p5

3/12/18 12:17pm

Please tell me you're not really this dense. Right now we do win some recruiting

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:26pm

maybe you should read up on recruiting rankings before you argue anything.

3/12/18 12:36pm

Honestly at this point, I'm just going to chalk you up as a quitter who is too

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:56pm

We have a lot of CBers with defeatist attitudes that contribute to the problem

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:40pm

No we can't. We would rarely if ever beat any P5 team in a head to head

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:12pm

We already have zero to offer compared to P5 teams.

Metallicat

3/12/18 12:45pm

Incorrect! We have less to offer them right now. We would have zero to offer

CougarBacker

3/12/18 1:58pm

What I'm starting to gather is that their are way more quitters in the BYU

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:11pm

ummmmm, we're not competing. do you think we are competing?

3/12/18 12:12pm

you really think a team with 70+ talent is gonna go beat LSU on the road?

3/12/18 12:13pm

Most BYu fans I know would flee the fanbase if we did this. So pick your poison

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:17pm

you think the fanbase is excited now?

3/12/18 12:20pm

Nope and they would be even less excited if we go running back to the MWC

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:26pm

I'm excited about BYU football.

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:47pm

You have yet to tell me why or how that changes by going to the MWC. I fully

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:16pm

you think we are going to be recruiting worse than g5 teams by joining the mwc?

3/12/18 12:22pm

I don't know. The BSU's of the world don't have the same recruiting disadvantage

CougarBacker

3/12/18 12:28pm

We played multiple NY6 teams last year. Yet you want to go back to the MWC to

BYUButters

3/13/18 1:09am

AAC is much more likely than MWC. The latter just isn't going to happen.

timpjynx

3/12/18 12:04pm

Nobody is denying that there is a perception that goes with the p5 moniker, as

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:16pm

Also, BYU picked up some big transfer recruits after the initial Sitake season

Benfica1

3/12/18 12:18pm

There is a fatal flaw with your logic as well

Croweater

3/12/18 1:21pm

And I believe that independence does have something to do with poor recruiting

Byu_1988

3/12/18 1:36pm

And you’d be wrong. Stop blaming Independence. Blame PAC-12 /B12 snubs

Croweater

3/12/18 1:49pm

Except that none of those things have anything to do with being independent

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:00pm

Yep, and if our recruiting hadn't suffered because of independence

Byu_1988

3/12/18 2:42pm

It's really shortsighted and nonsensical to think that our recruiting suffered

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:12pm

In the decade prior to 2017, BYU defeated 49% of its P5 opponents.

Gorum the Old

3/12/18 1:47pm

Cracks me up that people think 1 season is a trend

CougarBacker

3/12/18 2:01pm

Since Crowton retired you've done poorly against P5 teams.

displacedute

3/12/18 3:06pm

I don't understand why people want to blame independence for this. Blame

CougarBacker

3/12/18 3:14pm

There's a fatal flaw with your argument as well. Waaaaaay too many differences

3/12/18 2:20pm

Maybe I should learn to read

3/12/18 2:22pm

Fatal?

Unibro

3/12/18 3:15pm

RE: There's a fatal flaw with this argument, IMO

3/12/18 3:58pm

To what end? What is your point? SO i guess we should just fall in a heap and

Pretorian

3/12/18 4:05pm

There's a fatal flaw in *your* argument...

jomo

3/12/18 4:48pm

I mean no disrespect but I think there is a flaw in your thinking

3/12/18 7:43pm

Maybe we can all just agree that in either case winning would make things better. And winning as an independent would

3/12/18 8:34pm

Amen. Tougher schedule=more losses=worse recruiting

canofpicante

3/12/18 10:21pm

LOL dumbing down the schedule will have the opposite effect you think it will

CougarBacker

3/12/18 10:33pm

LOL how do you think we became who we are?

canofpicante

3/13/18 3:32pm

We became who we are because we had a legendary coach who got the best out of

CougarBacker

3/13/18 4:25pm

We became who we are dominanting inferior foes in a small conference

canofpicante

3/21/18 6:18pm

Just like Gonzaga became who they are....

Benfica1

3/21/18 6:31pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 9:52am

Everything you just posted is irrelevant. You are completely missing the point

CougarBacker

3/23/18 10:18am

Hmmm. I personally loved watching BYU play. Back in the day

Benfica1

3/23/18 10:44am

2 things here. You are right in the fact that things are somewhat different now

CougarBacker

3/23/18 10:56am

Nope. Just liked seeing the team play...

Benfica1

3/23/18 12:01pm

I agree, but I don't think that has anything to do with being Indy

CougarBacker

3/23/18 12:54pm

Agree. My comment wasn't about independence... which I like.

Benfica1

3/23/18 2:37pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 12:18pm

You're like talking to a brick wall. The point is flying right past you.

CougarBacker

3/23/18 12:56pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 2:35pm

RE: Bless your heart.

CougarBacker

3/23/18 2:43pm

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trjohnson007

3/23/18 12:36pm

Sure buddy

CougarBacker

3/23/18 12:56pm

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