The specific dollar amounts involved are wholly beside the point.

Apr 26, 2018
1:52:47pm

Gil Buckman 3rd String

The general principles he illustrates are spot on. There are fundamental reasons teachers make less than engineers who make less than anesthesiologists. If you don't like what the laws of economics say teachers are worth, don't teach I guess.

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I’m an engineer. I feel like I’m underpaid. I have a couple anesthesiologist

silk

4/26/18 10:22am

If you make 1/3 what anesthieslolo whatever, congrats. That's good money

TNT

4/26/18 10:23am

TNT thinks $6/hr is "good money".

SandYFan

4/26/18 10:30am

Ha! No. $10/hr is good money

TNT

4/26/18 10:37am

I stand corrected!

SandYFan

4/26/18 10:38am

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pegushin

4/26/18 10:23am

Not sure whether to take this post seriously or not...

Bradleyd16

4/26/18 10:31am

Seriously. Is this some kind of reverse or something?

SouthernCoug

4/26/18 11:06am

It’s making fun of teachers.

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 11:10am

I thought it was mocking doctors

IGlowInTheDark

4/26/18 2:36pm

You should have gotten into a gov subsidized field

Plato

4/26/18 10:33am

So you're an anesthesiologist? Nice humble brag.

Turnpike Lane

4/26/18 10:34am

I don’t know why we begrudge people for asking

Cashmeousside

4/26/18 10:36am

I used to think doctors were over paid. Then I got into medical school, I am

powerbait

4/27/18 12:05pm

Doctors are definitely not overpaid imo. Deserve every penny.

Capricious Cougar

4/27/18 3:16pm

It's almost like supply and demand dictate wages.

Gil Buckman

4/26/18 10:36am

at least you qualify for the QBI deduction... anesthesiologist won't

byuprof

4/26/18 10:37am

I agree that engineers are undervalued and underpaid in our society.

sanitarium

4/26/18 10:43am

You get paid what the market determines you are worth

Kerbouchard

4/26/18 10:51am

Kind of. Unless the laws interfere with the free market.

sanitarium

4/26/18 10:54am

Of course there are exceptions

Kerbouchard

4/26/18 11:13am

*CAEDM

supertux

4/26/18 10:52am

Ha! I stand corrected. In my defense, I have attempted to block those days out

silk

4/26/18 10:55am

Only reason I remember it is because I used to work for CAEDM

supertux

4/26/18 10:56am

You should have gone into elementary education instead.

CougarThug

4/26/18 11:04am

If being an anesthesiologist isn’t so hard then why didn’t you do that so you

coug555

4/26/18 11:06am

Actually, that’s exactly my point.

silk

4/26/18 11:45am

Ahhh...I get it.

SouthernCoug

4/26/18 12:13pm

Don’t know what state you are in, but just as a point of information in Utah

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 12:27pm

A masters is two years and medical school and residency is usually 7-8. So, not

StraightOuttaOrem

4/26/18 11:56am

If engineers start making about 30K a year you may have an argument.

Nagurski

4/26/18 12:52pm

So teachers can only compare themselves to professions starting at 30k. Gotcha

silk

4/26/18 1:37pm

Since that is where they start, yes.

Nagurski

4/27/18 9:16am

The specific dollar amounts involved are wholly beside the point.

Gil Buckman

4/26/18 1:52pm

The issue I have with your's and Silk's arguement is that you think the answer

Nagurski

4/27/18 9:16am

I can entirely buy into your approach which has solid economic underpinnings

Gil Buckman

4/27/18 12:44pm

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ditch

4/26/18 2:25pm

The ones who should feel bad are the nurse anesthetists. They do the same thing

TailgateU

4/26/18 2:55pm

Not really. I'm a nurse that got my BSN and debated what to do for grad school,

Ernie

4/26/18 3:35pm

So what is the difference in function? If I'm running a hospital, why prefer one

TailgateU

4/26/18 4:31pm

Yes, one does significantly more than the other.

IGlowInTheDark

4/26/18 4:38pm

What procedure can an anesthesiologist perform that a CRNA cannot?

TailgateU

4/26/18 4:43pm

We talking legally, skillfully, or safely?

IGlowInTheDark

4/26/18 5:03pm

I'm not a hospital administrator, and am genuinely curious. Are you in the

TailgateU

4/26/18 6:29pm

What are the effective differences?

IGlowInTheDark

4/26/18 7:01pm

TBH, most of our issues are simple enough that an MD is not necessary. NPs and

TailgateU

4/27/18 7:18am

What is your background? Asking sincerely as I’m curious how you arrived at

SaturdaySpecialDay

4/27/18 7:57am

I'm in academia and have done some research into the health industry, but my

TailgateU

4/27/18 8:38am

My experience

SaturdaySpecialDay

4/27/18 3:14pm

Thank you. I appreciate the explanation. I wish we could see more PAs and NPs in

TailgateU

4/27/18 3:57pm

It’s true. But you are also not educated to know when what they’re doing isn’t

IGlowInTheDark

4/27/18 4:16pm

Actually, I do know the difference between a virus and bacteria, and the harm

TailgateU

4/27/18 4:38pm

Huh? No. That has nothing to do with it.

IGlowInTheDark

4/27/18 4:42pm

From everything you READ they can do the same thing...

IGlowInTheDark

4/27/18 4:00pm

I disagree with you, I think that everyone can make mistakes.

Ernie

5/2/18 8:50am

When you finish your NP degree I think you’ll agree

SaturdaySpecialDay

5/2/18 9:38am

I do totally agree with you. I believe that mid-level practitioners are good at

Ernie

5/3/18 11:57am

When I get to the point that I don’t understand what I don’t know,

SaturdaySpecialDay

5/2/18 9:42am

In hospitals a nurse anesthetist:anesthesiologist :: LPN:primary care physician

unctoothman

5/2/18 8:46am

I'm not entirely sure the particular differences because I haven't worked

Ernie

5/2/18 8:34am

Not exactly. Plus, they also go to half of the schooling.

Delicate Genius

5/2/18 9:47am

I actually got a degree in Engineering, then a Master's, and now Medical School.

Zoobieman

4/26/18 4:08pm

BTW you are way off on what they make. The responsibility of life and death

Blue2thebone

4/26/18 8:15pm

Like anyone could even know that.

Plato

4/26/18 8:16pm

Which part?

Blue2thebone

4/26/18 11:55pm

Do you ever find yourself in a group setting where everyone else is laughing?

silk

4/26/18 8:47pm

Wow right to the personal attack.

Blue2thebone

4/26/18 11:58pm

I would argue being good at teaching is is very important.

rtNelson

4/27/18 3:26am

Well Done Sir. I commend you for this post.

indocoug

4/27/18 5:00pm

Ahh, those days of flash cards. Remember them well.

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