This would leave room for bias by the committee

Dec 12, 2019
11:09:10am

CaliWG All-American

The whole point of including conference champions would be to remove bias. If you have a Top-12 standard, why would the committee ever include a G5 program in the Top 12?

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8 Team Playoff, BYU and G5. I agree with Spencer, but think Jarom is right.

Klompus

12/12/19 10:32am

TNT is tired of this discussion frankly

TNT

12/12/19 10:33am

If they have access it will allow them to build a better program. All I want is

Cougar TD

12/12/19 11:32am

Agreed

Great38

12/12/19 1:12pm

Yep, even the idea of a special season is fun. But this exclusion and lack of

Cougar TD

12/12/19 1:24pm

If you don't have aspirations for the playoffs, why do you even field a team?

lilpenny

12/12/19 1:38pm

There are at least 70 other schools that have no chance to make the playoff.

Doogal McCougar

12/12/19 1:41pm

Lofty goals are important for direction and lesser results

HONOMO

12/12/19 2:18pm

as I am, TNT...

franklyvulgar

12/13/19 12:21am

Giving the G5 an auto bid in a 8 team playoff would be really dumb

DieHarder

12/12/19 10:33am

They have to do this, or separate P5 and G5 completely.

Klompus

12/12/19 10:37am

It would be dumb in BYU's eyes. I don't think anyone else in the country would

Josef K

12/12/19 10:38am

How often is a G5 one of the 8 best teams in the country? It doesn’t make sense unless they go 12 or 16

DieHarder

12/12/19 10:39am

UCF each of the past two years, absolutely. Memphis is as good as Baylor or Wisc

Klompus

12/12/19 10:40am

The 8 team format is not about puting in the 8 best teams.

Josef K

12/12/19 10:43am

Well said.

Klompus

12/12/19 10:52am

And, it likely includes both the 4 best and the 4 most-deserving...

Doogal McCougar

12/12/19 12:03pm

You should revisit your statement

puntersarepeople

12/12/19 7:07pm

They'd have to put a limit. Like must be ranked top 10

LiveCoug

12/12/19 10:39am

Something like that would make sense

TNT

12/12/19 10:41am

No. there is still WAY to much opinion based in the polls

Return of the Yeti

12/12/19 1:54pm

Why? I think it is a great solution.

ray ray

12/12/19 12:02pm

and that is part of the problem...they are perceived as not in the top 8

Return of the Yeti

12/12/19 1:55pm

If there was an 8-team playoff

Sea Chicken

12/12/19 10:35am

If they adopt the 8 team playoff, the easiest path to the playoff for any team

Josef K

12/12/19 10:37am

Consider too that the AAC's new TV deal is something like 7 mil a year. Thats

Klompus

12/12/19 10:39am

BYU isn't interested in the AAC. Aren't interested in the MWC either

TNT

12/12/19 10:41am

Again, Im not arguing this. Similar to Jaroms point, I hate it, but its reality.

Klompus

12/12/19 10:52am

A *significantly expanded* AAC could make sense

Doogal McCougar

12/12/19 10:49am

I think an 8 team playoff with access for G5 could spur such a change.

Klompus

12/12/19 10:54am

Travel would be brutal. They'd need at least a group of four teams

CaliWG

12/12/19 11:13am

*Gonzaga

Doogal McCougar

12/12/19 11:28am

Play mostly PAC and MWC teams in the non-conference.

Doogal McCougar

12/12/19 12:17pm

Of course it would be easier in a G5 conference purely because of the easier

mudpupper

12/12/19 3:21pm

There is likely more prestige by being a G5 playoff contender

Doogal McCougar

12/12/19 10:41am

8 teams, but treat all of the conferences the same. Any conference champ in the

Scratch

12/12/19 10:41am

It also leaves room for Bias against teams like UCF two years ago. They'd have

Klompus

12/12/19 10:42am

Wrong. They would have been in each of the last 2 years.

Scratch

12/12/19 10:44am

How am I wrong? UCF finished #12 before bowls. But your last point makes sense.

Klompus

12/12/19 10:55am

I said any conference champ in the top 12. That was UCF both years.

Scratch

12/12/19 11:09am

Yeah, but they might have been nudged to 13 if it really mattered.

rcbyufan

12/12/19 11:14am

The 8 team, conference champ scenario is essentially a 14 team playoff.

Josef K

12/12/19 10:50am

This would leave room for bias by the committee

CaliWG

12/12/19 11:09am

exactly. this cannot be based on polls.

Return of the Yeti

12/12/19 1:58pm

This is the best and most fair idea i've seen. I like top 15 but top 12 is still

4mack

12/12/19 12:42pm

Jarom (or at least how you described his take) is wrong.

byujdmba

12/12/19 10:48am

It basically boils down to this. BoT, AD, and fans are on different pages

TNT

12/12/19 10:54am

Would going to the AAC make recruiting significantly better?

SoCalCoug

12/12/19 10:53am

Better question: Can BYU recruit better if they can sell NC chance as AAC member

Klompus

12/12/19 10:58am

Short answer: Probably not

TNT

12/12/19 11:02am

Depends on who BYU is recruiting

superdoo

12/12/19 11:49am

With access to the playoff, there'd be a chance for Gonzagas & Butlers in CFB

CaliWG

12/12/19 11:06am

BYU might have a better chance of making it as a G5 but they have a way better

sunjieming

12/12/19 12:07pm

BYU recruting is clearly worse now than when in the MWC. Look at 247.

Klompus

12/12/19 12:24pm

the emotional detachment of exhibition game seasons extends beyond just the

MatthiasPhunkHausen

12/12/19 1:46pm

If you want a good playoff, it's 8 teams, and it's only the best 8 in college

troymac32

12/12/19 12:44pm

That's a subjective standard with Big10 and SEC biases built-in.

Forzaitalia

12/12/19 12:58pm

Nah that's just a continuation of the status quo

shakarocks

12/12/19 1:30pm

I used to agree with this, but have recently changed my mind

CoastalJuan

12/13/19 7:49am

Theres too much money at stake to trust the committee to do the right thing

CaliWG

12/13/19 8:33am

If the playoff expanded and P5 conference champs automatically qualified, would

GilbertAZCougar

12/12/19 1:21pm

If BYU's primary goal is merely exposure and it fails to get into a conference

TrueBlue67

12/12/19 1:40pm

Sadly I agree.

Klompus

12/12/19 1:45pm

RE: 8 Team Playoff, BYU and G5. I agree with Spencer, but think Jarom is right.

akbarishiwatsu

12/12/19 2:44pm

There is a third reason: exposure. We are on TV more often and I imagine the

rockyrd

12/12/19 3:52pm

Look, until every team can win a NC by winning, it's a flawed format

B Blue

12/12/19 4:18pm

If BYU were 12-0 right now. Playoffs would have been a discussion.

rtNelson

12/12/19 6:32pm

This is such a stupid question, BYU has better NC playoff access now then G5

Zoobieman

12/12/19 9:50pm

TL;DR Just win baby!

Zoobieman

12/12/19 9:50pm

They'd have a much better chance being part of the G5

zerome4sooners

12/13/19 6:01am

Joining the american is not the answer

baldcoug74

12/13/19 10:14am

I agree and it's a shame because I'd love to play those teams regularly

HONOMO

12/13/19 10:48am

Only one Eastern timezone game in the expanded AAC

Doogal McCougar

12/13/19 11:21am

BYU would be stupid to prefer that kind of travel

HONOMO

12/13/19 12:05pm

Texas isn’t very far

puntersarepeople

12/13/19 12:10pm

Yeah I'm actually in favor of the expanded AAC idea

HONOMO

12/13/19 12:50pm

UConn is leaving the AAC, so they are looking to add 1 or 3, for 12 or 14.

Doogal McCougar

12/13/19 1:04pm

Adding Tulane & Tulsa really hurt the potential of the conference

CaliWG

12/13/19 1:10pm

Tulane is an AAU university in a decent market. I give them a pass. Tulsa though

Doogal McCougar

12/13/19 1:12pm

Nobody cares about Tulane, even in NOLA

CaliWG

12/13/19 1:23pm

This is true. And, adding Tulane is what motivated the C7 to breakaway

Doogal McCougar

12/13/19 1:30pm

I like this

HONOMO

12/13/19 1:47pm

It could be smaller IMO

puntersarepeople

12/13/19 1:07pm

If you pay attention to our independent road games, you will see my point:

Doogal McCougar

12/13/19 1:11pm

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